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SPN Fan Content - "Castiel's Goodbye, Part II" Reaction (Patreon)

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2023-12-22 07:49:52
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Purple Nurple

The person writing about destiel for their degree.... I did my dissertation for my final year about Buffy and Supernatural... lol. Representation of Masculinity in Genre shows... I only had 2.5 seasons of Supernatural to go off but it got me a good grade - 2:1 (2nd highest)

BexFangirl

I think the start of this is Memento con and I believe that was the first live con after the pandemic that Misha went to. (though I'm not a hundred procent sure) So I think it was sept 2021, slightly before creation events started again. "Heller" is the term for Destiel fans. It comes from "destiheller" which came from "destieller", but was usually used more derogatory and for extrem shippers. Over the years it was in a way reclaimed by a lot of people generally in the destiel fandom though. I don't see it that much in use, but when I see it then it doesn't have the negative conotation it started out with I believe. But that is only how I understand it, since I came into the fandom post finale, I wasn't there to experience any of that really and gathered this information through various posts and talks from other fans/fandom elders XD Misha stopped doing cameos a while ago. I think he did them mainly during the first while after the show ended.

AdoptDontShopPets

“Still beautiful. Still Dean Winchester.” Is from a description in the 15x18 script description of Cas’s thoughts right before he began his confession. From the script: …we see Cas’s POV of Dean again— his face drawn, drained of hope. But still beautiful. Still Dean Winchester.

Hasnaa

Still beautiful, still dean Winchester is what cas was thinking smiling looking at dean before the empty came for him, it's written in the 15x18 script, I will send you the script on discord (coz Tumblr sadly doesn't let you send images or files in DMs), cas was literally dying but still all he thought about was how beautiful dean was and that's why he was smiling, even in that moment of despair he thought dean was beautiful, it's really worth it to read the script at least for CAS's confession scene, it's very informative and descriptive. Heller was a term that antis used to call destiel shippers (Abb of destieheller) as an offense but we thought it was cool AF 🤘 so we started going by it.

Tara.

Just a small fun fact: the person who moderated the first Misha panel you saw is Clare Kramer (who played Glory on Buffy) she was sitting to the side and gave her opinion from time to time or tried to clarify things. As someone who loves both shows, this was very fun to me! Also, re: Cas having a boyfriend.... I have a fic rec for you lmao (still destiel as well) I will link it on tumblr

AdoptDontShopPets

When you first mentioned Cas getting a boyfriend, I said, never! He is dedicated to Dean! Then, when you mentioned older Carlos, I have to admit that sounds perfect! They’re both very sweet and caring souls. Plus, can you imagine Cas’s, confusion and exasperation with sassy Carlos banter? Lol.

rose mnor

Great reaction Shelley, and thank you Hasnaa for a great compilation of videos ... Shelley, I appreciate you touching upon the unsavory responses to Cas's confession and your perspective of it (I am assuming that this was the J2 Gold Panel at DenverCon 21), and to be quite honest here, that was one of the things that cemented in my mind that any hints of 'canon reciprocation' from Dean in SPN were *prohibited* by the talents (sorry for using a lack of a more appropriate word here), be it at CE conventions or elsewhere (more on this in the reply ##). Strangely the question wasn't even about Cas or Dean or his reciprocity but both the Js went in that direction ... The ridiculousness of their responses in negating the romanticism of the confession was outstandingly perplexing imo, when we can poke holes into their perspectives with what had happened in the canon of the story ... anyway, not going further into this as I had already written much of this in earlier reaction videos.

rose mnor

IMO, because of the association between the network/WB and CE, if you look closely at where Misha talked freely about the confession, you will notice that they were not at CE cons. When he did talk about it at CE, he had to parse his words carefully and walk gingerly between the lines ... The CE panel with Alex came to my mind here (also Denvercon 2021), whereby a question about the confession was nearly censored by a CE volunteer ... it only went through because of the fan's ingenuity via her deliberate action of asking the volunteer "... we cannot ask about the confession?" into the mike and henceforth bringing the actual censorship-in-progress wide into the open (as opposed to only from hearsay), and to Misha which he then bypassed said volunteer into allowing the question to be asked. He then succinctly said, " ... It's like such a minefield...." before delving in further, like I said, gingerly stepping into words while abiding in what can and cannot be said, imo. For what's it worth, fans already theorized for a long time that questions about Destiel, be it by journalists or at CE cons, are somehow under censorship. A journalist even revealed via several tweets that before any interviews, they would get this email of a list of things not to be discussed from the WB PR office, and questions about Destiel were one of them, and lamenting that had to delete that particular tweets that revealed this matter later on (this is upon the occasion of 100k Destiel fics on AO3, in response to Misha's tweets celebrating/brought it up). Otherwise, how come we didn't see any being brought up in mainstream media to the ptb or the talents in any of the interviews sanctioned by the WB for the past years, question in a serious vein and not in a jokey way as what Misha had done before? I also firmly believed when Misha said past reactions on any discussions of Destiel on stage regarding the overreaction of people, those were at CE cons. At other cons, he was happy to talk and tease and entertain the audience and fans, even at that time before the acceptance of the relationship happened and especially when the writers started to lean hard into it, i.e. around S8. ## Note: a fan wrote the following on Tumblr from a legal perspective and I also subscribe to this theory (partial copy&paste of the discussions): "CE has exclusive licensing to SPN merchandise, so what happens at a CE con is part of the SPN brand while the other cons are just… other cons. Therefore, the WB will limit what can be done with the imagery and story at CE cons, even down to what questions can be asked. CE must make a good faith attempt at preventing those questions being asked or they lose the merch. Venue costs and artist fees are what drive ticket prices, not organizer overhead. The organizers make their profit on merch sales. We know the cast is also limited in some ways (e.g., the period where Misha wasn’t allowed to use the Cas voice because that is also part of the brand), but it’s harder to limit what they say legally because of what protections the unions have negotiated in their contracts. That said, they still hedge the answers to avoid pissing off the WB because they don’t want to burn bridges and risk current (e.g., Walker) or future (e.g., CMP prequel) productions. They will be more likely to hedge at an official SPN branded event than they will be at a multi-fandom con. .... Our upset is more useful if aimed at the WB. CE is in the business of presenting cons for almost exclusively WB-owned properties. If they push back on SPN, they would be putting their entire company on the line ..." /end Further to Dean's reciprocity topic, any type of it will lean heavily into his sexual identity, and due to the abovementioned WB restrictions, Jensen definitively cannot imply anything other than a hetero macho man since that is the brand of SPN. Since Dean Winchester imo is one of WB's biggest assets in the TV world, Jensen cannot simply imply any reciprocation on Dean's part, but he does support wholeheartedly fans' interpretations, much much more now than in the past. I believe this 100% - one such example of this support was when it came out that the shot glasses he sold as a limited-run sale at FBBC, were in Destiel's blue-green colors. Fans who were in the photo op with both of them with the glasses later overheard Jensen inform Misha who later revealed in his (Misha's) M&G that particular shot glasses were Jensen and Danneel's homage to Destiel ... and they can do it this way as it didn't have anything to do with WB ...

rose mnor

I want so much to bring up, especially about Dean's sexual identity, and how it tied to the market research as a last-ditch effort on the writers' part to canonize the relationship on both sides (alas it was not meant to be) ... but that's another whole can of worms and a huge issue and a separate part of fandom lore ...

rose mnor

About heller, there's an entry in the Superwiki if you want to know more about it, the term directed at extreme Destiel shippers. http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/Destihellers As already mentioned in several comments about it, it was fans' reclamation efforts of the derogatory term, complete with fans' biker leather-jacket design, lol ... and I was in the fandom when it all went down ...

Hasnaa

I think it's easier for people to accept that cas is in love with dean because he's an angel and angels don't really have gender, while dean is a whole other animal. I also understand that people use gay as an umbrella term to describe cas and that's fine but I personally like that cas is fluid and not labeled, personally I see him as pan demi romantic demi sexual, others see him as bi romantic ace or homo romantic ace, others see him as gay or bi etc and I love that about his character so much, lots of people can see themselves in him.

rose mnor

Oh, I forgot to include the Urban Dictionary for Heller, lol, and for shits and giggles, here it is as follows: A person who ships the popular Supernatural couple “Destiel” A derivative of the term “Destiheller” originally used as an insult. Term has been reclaimed by shippers. Yeah, Jensen liked a post about the handprint. He’s a heller. by Dmitri Collins November 27, 2020 https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Heller