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Karen Gauck

ZEPPELIN! THEY GOT ZEPPELIN! That's all I was thinking during that whole ending montage. From pretty much the first press they did for the show they promised that all would be explained in episode 13. So even though they hoped to get a back order, everything was always going to get answered in 13. I think you can tell they weren't expecting a S2 renewal and wanted the show to have a good ending while giving it some place to go if they did get a S2. It's funny because I assumed from the beginning this was an AU. It was the easiest way to explain the inconsistencies. As I have said I'm in camp I like the SPN finale. Yet, I still felt like this show healed a little part of my heart, which I told Jensen earlier this year. He seemed very appreciative and responded with "I think people just wanted to know that Dean is OK." ❤️

Karen Gauck

Oh and James Hetfield is the lead singer of Metallica.

rose mnor

Oh gosh, Shelley, I just love, love your reaction to this episode, I knew you would like the episode too .... I cried too like you when it aired ... there was Jensen Ackles with his Beau of Big Sky look, playing Dean Winchester, again, lol. Just like you, I feel that this series was so cathartic to my wounded soul because of the SPN finale, James Hetfield is from Metallica. I could not believe I knew this without googling because of what I have written in your reaction video about the Lost and Found reaction, S13E01. It's another connection, whimsical, I know, to SPN and Cas too in my mind, because James Hetfield wrote Nothing Else Matter, the sad montage song playing at the beginning of that episode where Cas died at the end scene of the song. SPN paid a lot of money for that song and we got it to set the tone for the beginning of the widower's arc ... It is the only love ballad they ever wrote and James wrote it while he was on an extended tour and was missing his girlfriend ... and Jensen chose this name as Dean's alias in this particular show, hmm ... what or who are you missing Dean? [insert the meme - I connect the dots/you didn't connect shit/i've connected them] ... The title card is a little bit different from earlier episodes, there is a flash of lightning striking the Aquarius symbol, the MOL symbol. FYI Shelley, the cancellation has taken away the opportunity for Cas to appear in this universe as confirmed by Misha. Since the season was cut short, Misha, who was very busy with Gotham Knights, and Jensen felt that it wouldn't give justice to both the plot and character as they want any and all of Cas's appearance to be satisfying and just a brief cameo is not it ... and had planned for Cas in S2 but alas, it was not meant to be .... ... and Shelley, I would also like to wish happy holidays to you and yours and a happy new year too ...

Hasnaa

What a pleasant surprise, amazing gift, happy holidays, Shelley, thanks for the early upload! It's finally not a spoiler to say that it's actually a sequel not a prequel, I loved this finale and this show, it's a bit sad to learn that dean was still searching for his happiness in heaven and trying to find it in any AU, but I was also vindicated in having them saying it because that's what I always thought, I didn't think dean would be happy in heaven and to have him say that he was looking for a version of his family that got a happy ending confirm that dean didn't get a happy ending, carry on was not a happy ending, which obviously I knew but some fans view it as such. Babe, your happiness is right there, you don't need to drive through AUs to look for it, just go find CAS! This finale however has one thing in common with carry on which is a glaring cas shaped hole, I understand why Sam couldn't be in this finale coz it's set up in post carry on in heaven where as Sam is currently on earth living his best life, but we were told that cas is in heaven so how come he's not there with his family, makes no sense!! Just like CAS not being in carry on makes no sense, did dean and cas reunite off screen? Has cas been avoiding dean after the confession? Is he really in heaven or is he still stuck in the empty? Where's CAS? it sucks as a cas fan to be constantly excluded from finales of your favorite show but whatever. I think this finale did so much healing from carry on, it didn't fix everything but it fixed enough, the fact that it stated that dean did not drive aimlessly for years waiting for Sam to arrive but in fact was searching for his own happiness and his family's happiness is huge, believe it or not, dean does have goals, dreams and desires outside of Sam but the fact that part of it was also to protect Sam was also so endearing and felt right, the fact that it stated clearly that dean outside of Chuck's control does view jack as family 😍, the fact that it stated that jack did brought all the AUs back after chuck destroyed them is very important, of course chuck would throw one last apocalypse at us even after his defeat sigh! I figured early on in the show that this must be an AU, Jensen promised that nothing in the canon would change and An au is the only way that would be true, plus, lots of monster lore in the winchesters felt almost similar to SPN but not quite which was a huge hint, shape shifter lore with a bit different, vamp lore with a bit different etc... So when john said dean wasn't from this earth that basically confirmed to me that it's an AU, different earth, even souls lore is a bit different in this world, if you lose part of your soul you lose it all, that's not how souls work in OG supernatural. I don't know that we would've gotten to angels middling if the winchesters was to get another season because as jack stated here he had a strict no middling from up high policy, the only one middling from heaven here is dean not angels, I doubt angels would defy Jack's order, they all love to follow orders, not dean though. The only explanation for why baby was with dean in heaven is that she's actually the real dean soulmate, not Sam, not cas, it was baby all along 😌.

Kim Rigg

Ah....the prequel that became a sequel and then a prequel again! This is a Dean Winchester last hunt that I can get behind and helped me like the SPN final a little bit more. I really appreciate how they tried to write some wrongs from the main show with the Winchesters with an ensemble cast and diverse crew. If the show had to end it ended at a good point but I am so sad that we do not get to see the story unfold. I think if it had been a different time the show would have been picked up but timing is everything and sadly the industry is in a weird place at the moment. I think as the show progressed the cast and crew grew and made huge improvements and it is a shame they will not get to do more

Kim Rigg

On Zepplin - Jensen did not take a acting fee for the episode and I think he was involved in the negotiations for the song. He said at a con that Kripke asked him how he got Zepplin and he said he named his son after them.

Michele

Thanks for sharing that!

Purple Nurple

LOVED your reaction, loved this show - and yes Jensen wrote a fix it fic and made it canon haha! Yes they got Led Zeppelin! So I believe Jensen didn't take a wage from this to afford it. It also took a lot of time for them to get it. It doesn't hurt Jensen's son is called Zeppelin either! I congratulated Danneel at Crossroads earlier this year about getting the song and she said it was a lot of work to get it! Also fun fact - Meg Donnelly couldn't drive before she got this job. She had to get her license for it. I wonder how Jensen felt seeing Meg, a new driver, drive his car (yes, it's Jensen's car).

Purple Nurple

Oh Shelley you missed Radio Company in the bar when they were taking to the queen! She was talking about Dean and I'm like 'he's singing right now' lol

rose mnor

About why Dean didn't introduce himself as Dean Winchester:- RThompson: So it's funny, because on the day, we did one version where Jensen said, "It's Dean, Dean Winchester." And we were like, "Oh my god, what did we just do?" The thinking behind it really was how to give his parents a shot at their own happy ending, and by revealing who he really is, he boxes them into that—Oh, in this universe, you end up having a kid and his name is Dean and you have a kid named Sam—and we really wanted that moment to play like he was going to do it, and we want him to do it, but then he sticks the landing in terms of wanting them to have their own chance. The Winchesters and the Campbells have just been so beaten up by outside forces, and this was really his attempt at cutting those strings, at least for one universe. The way they played it at the end was so beautiful, particularly at the end when Meg asks, "Hey, did you find your family?" I think they both are playing a sense of connection with this person, this mystery man. So we left it that way intentionally, and it was definitely Dean not wanting to meddle and keeping his promise to Jack in that regard, or his version of the promise to Jack in that regard.

rose mnor

From Superwiki: The revelation that The Winchesters takes place in an alternate universe explains several discrepancies in previous episodes that had appeared to be continuity errors or goofs: - Millie, Henry and John having lived in Lawrence long ago enough for Henry to have planted jasmine beside Winchesters Garage when in 8.12 As Time Goes By they were living in Normal, Illinois when Henry vanished. - Henry being an alternate version of himself also explains why his ghost could be summoned in 1972 when the Henry Winchester of Supernatural died in 2013 after traveling through time. - John and Mary not hating each other when they first met as described by a Cupid in 5.14 My Bloody Valentine or going out for coffee as described by Dean in 12.01 Keep Calm and Carry On. - Repeated references to the Men of Letters being destroyed 15 years ago which is 1957 rather than 14 years ago in 1958. - Possibly why the vampires seen in 1.09 Cast Your Fate to the Wind have differences to the vampires seen in Supernatural. - The differences seen with demons in 1.01 Pilot (The Winchesters), including how an exorcism only kicked them out of their meatsuit rather than sending them back to Hell. /end About the point regarding differences for vampires, holy water was not used in SPN prime to hurt them, but here, Carlos used it via the holy water "hair commercial."

Michele

I agree. This alt earth version explains a lot of things that had me scratching my head. But I trusted Jensen, and he said to us to just wait. That it would be explained. People were already bringing these things up at conventions after the show started airing. He did a good job of fielding those questions. Some people were pretty critical and I think he handled it really well.

Michele

I hope someone can get you the gag reel for this season! Someone already explained how they could afford the Led Zeppelin song. Jensen did give up his money for this episode. I think the money for Producer as well as actor. I liked how this ending turned out. I started thinking it had to be another Earth after a while, because of all the inconsistencies with what we knew about the SPN lore and characters, and Jensen assuring us that it would make sense by the end. You can tell that they had to rush the story due to the lack of getting the money for more episodes. So the whole thing with the Queen of the Acreeda wasn't as fulfilling as you'd want it to be. I always felt that Dean would never be satisfied with an afterlife in Heaven. He'd need to do something. Especially if he knew there was a need. I also felt that the time Dean spent driving in Baby after he got to Heaven would be more than just driving. I figured that he was watching Sam over all those years. This side adventure actually makes a lot of sense. I can imagine him doing more of these over the years between when he gets to heaven and when Sam gets there. Jack's just going to have to accept that. Dean can be a Guardian of Earth(s). I just can't imagine him being content in heaven with nothing to do. Even if he could have anything he wants up there.

Michele

Actually, you're not done! You have to watch the gag reel too! lol

Purple Nurple

Shelley - I've dm'd you the gag reels on discord. It's less than 8 minutes in total for 2 videos.

BexFangirl

So cool that this got out this early! Now I don't have to make time tomorrow morning before our christmas celebration :D Your reaction was so close to what my dash looked like with all the live blogging when this episode came out. This was such an epic episode. Pure adrenaline, starting out with Dean, also getting Bobby and later Jack as well (family yes!) and Led Zepplin. There was also a Radio Company song earlier in the episode, when they walked into the bar where they met the queen it was playing in the background (ngl that distracted me a lot XD). Love this reaction, can't wait for the rewatch and everything else. Hope you all have happy holidays.

Stephanie Butler

Ah the healing power of The Winchesters. Was waiting on your reaction to this because I think we all knew how happy this would make you. Watching the whole series unfold live was a trip. So much analysis, picking up the clues, trying to figure out the mystery. It was fun. I am still sad it wasn't renewed. I could have watched 10 more seasons with these kids. They were extremely appealing and really hope they all have fantastic careers moving forward. They deserve it. So much they could have done, Rowena, maybe Crowley, angels, young Bobby and Rufus, and a whole new host of apocalypses and monsters. And the tension that John especially would backslide into anger. Could have been great, but glad we got what we did.

AdoptDontShopPets

Before the show aired, I didn’t want it to be an AU because I didn’t really see why we would want to watch other versions that were not connected to our SPN. As the show went on, I really grew to love the characters and so I think it was a good decision for them to not upfront confirm that it was an AU. I started out more invested than I otherwise would’ve done.

AdoptDontShopPets

Cool. 💜 Now I’d suggest delete the reply and all references will be gone!

BunkerGirl

I looooved your reaction to this episode! I’m sure someone else already answered but James Hetfield is from Metallica. (And he’s known for writing songs about social issues, on top of his mad guitar skills.) And the zeppelin song they used was one that they told us in Supernatural was “tied for Deans favorite song”… Rambling On. 🙂. I’m really excited for the rewatch. And yay! 6 of my picks made the top 8! (Now who of ya’ll voted for Bugs btw?? lol)

Jay

ah that point about James Hetfield and Nothing Else Matters is so good!

Jay

Ah this made my Christmas! Thank you for the early Xmas surprise and your brilliant reaction! You (or someone) should send Chaos Machine your reaction video, I'm sure the Ackles would love it. Hope everyone has a great Christmas and New Year, and looking forward to the rewatch!

rose mnor

Oh man, it drove me crazy knowing what I know now about Hetfield and Nothing Else Matters, and tptb bought the right to air that song for the S13 premiere. Of all their songs. It was the only love ballad from Metallica ... and we all know the arc of the first half of S13 ... and the market research that preceded S13, on Dean's side for eventual Destiel canon possibility ... Dabb did it in preparation for S13 *cries* for pitching a "risky" idea for a legacy product as reinventing the wheel, i.e. ["risky" as in] don't fix what they don't consider broken. And the WB said no as what we've seen happened and we just have to make do with an "interpretation" from Dean's side while Cas' was a-okay ... even that too was not as solid as we wanted according to Misha since they had to walk on eggshells to not have that rug pulled from underneath them ...

AdoptDontShopPets

I voted for Bugs as my 9th extra vote! I knew it wouldn’t win. The ending is total crap, while the episode has a couple scenes that give good insight into the Winchester family dynamics with dad. So it’s worth paying attention for that. And the scene with the tribal elder 🤣

rose mnor

Yea, I cringed so hard when he said on stage, "... Look I'm not some guy who hasn't been a part of Supernatural for 15 years. I'm not some random dude that's coming in saying "I've got an idea". This story means a lot to me." Kudos to Jensen for having so much patience in dealing with such weirdly entitled fans ...

Michele

Yeah. He heard what people were saying and saw what they were posting on social media.

Michele

Same for me! I don't like AU stuff. SPN has made it easier for me to accept them though. But I still didn't love the AU stuff in the show. Winchesters did change that for me - in this case. I was really worried about it though, when I thought that's what was happening .

Purple Nurple

There may have been a reason I used that particular Led Zeppelin song in the fan content for season 15 extras of the 'what dean really listens to' in the car. It was a refresher of that song in Shelley's mind lol - well that and he said he wanted that song in the jib10 panel

Rae

YESSSS. welcome to the reason some of us call this Jackle's Fanfic. 😂 Just a little AU self insert for Dean! Jensen got Ramble On - which was what he wanted for the spn finale. He called Jack family! We got to SEE DEAN AGAIN. the way this finale healed something the spn finale broke in me. literally i sob every time i watch this. this show was a gift and it has my heart.

AdoptDontShopPets

My favorite was when he told people to be free to hate watch it 🤣👏👏👏

Hasnaa

Again my dream team for a continuation of supernatural is Ben Edland , Robbie Thompson, Robert berens, Meredith glynn and Steve yocky