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BAND-MAID - Manners (SURPRISE 3-way comparison) (Patreon)

Published:
2024-09-29 15:00:13
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2025-02-09 19:47:57
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I feel like I could possibly be boring you guys with the score study of their songs, but I want you to understand that this is so interesting to me to see the music go by and listen to it at the same time.

I also think I could so some cool projects with this some time soon while these are in my possesion for now. Thanks again Destiny!

Also, I did some research before I recorded and found that there was a Christmas acoustic version of this with Saiki and Kanami...so...I added that too. I hope you don't mind!

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Prutgardin

Not Holding Back the acoustic version after all ;) hehe

Eno L

Hi Princess Nittpicc, as usual, I enjoyed this immensely! I've a suggestion when you next do a Band-Maid "White Room" instrumental to watch the instrumental first and see how you would put in vocal lines and lyrics into it. Like how Miku does after she hears the song. I've tried this many times and have failed almost all the time cause the stuff Kanami writes is so complex.

Spadeas

Do I mind you doing the accoustic version ? Of course not, you couldn't make me happier with that ^^. Manners is definetly a song about them, their story and the hope to inspire other to do the same, that one reason I love it. Thank to you, with the instrumental vers, I discovered the reverse vocal at the end, that I didn't heard before, the "trumpet", we could hear it a bit more clearly in the live version, so not really new for me. But the accoustic, damn, I'm glad you said it, that it doesn't sound like the same song, beacause that is exactly my reaction the first time I heard it. Manners and Sayonakidori are my two favorite from this live, with No God in third, and the funny thing when I think about it, is thar we have : Manners = Saiki + Kanami Sayonakidori = Miku + Akane + Misa No God = Band Maid My two favorites are the whole band, but separate when they finally come together for my third lol. Also, yeah, Saiki's vocal on Manners are just mind blowingly beautiful, thanks that Kanami was playing, because I think otherwise she will have passed out since she is the number 1 fangirl of Saiki lol.

Bill Hallisey

Princess NittPicc, I'm never disappointed when you explore every Band- Maid song in their every form. You are definitely a music educator in the ways you listen to and explain the composition, the notation, and the instrumental use to an uneducated music lover like myself. Band- Maid is,by far, my favorite band in the world. Thank you so much.

Xenos

This is the song that really hooked me on Band-Maid, realizing the sheer amount of variety they manage to create. This song was created to be the theme song for the album Unseen World, and it's still one of my favorite Band-Maid songs. After you finish reacting to each song you'll definitely have to watch the acoustic okyuji in one sitting, it's wonderful.

Bill Hallisey

Manners would be an epic instrumental in it's own right!

Charles Coleman

NittPicc, I felt the same thing at the end during the instrumental. It sounds like they played some vocals and perhaps piano backwards. But it sounded really cool. Very subtle, but cool.

Glenner7

Great reaction! I believe they do reverse effects more often than most people realize - especially on the background vocals. They're wonderful at the end of this song. Funnily enough, the one thing I just noticed (after having seen the MV a hundred or more of times) is that the water is running in the bathtub that Saiki is sitting on. It makes me want to scratch my chin and ask, "what does it mean???". :-) If you want to add even more icing to the cake, there's also a behind the scenes video on Prime of the making of this MV. BTW, nice cebollitas (thank you Pau for the translation).

Charlie Lucas

For the score, are you aware of the misprint issue? Page 319 (part of without holding back) was misprinted, repeating an earlier page from a different song. They sent out a PDF of what it should be. If you want it for completion and can't find it, let me know (or I'm sure many others have it).

Charles Coleman

NittPicc, this was great! Please never apologize for doing too much Band Maid, LOL! I always hear so much more in the instrumental and hearing you talk us musical dweebs through it is fun and educational. You help us understand it so much better, thank you. I absolutely love the acoustic version for so many reasons. Before they released/streamed the Christmas acoustic show, I wasn't the biggest fan of acoustic music. I liked it, but it wasn't my favorite style. But I was blown away by how good this whole album was. So much so that I have easily listened to the Christmas acoustic album more than any other Band Maid album and I love every one of them!

Charles Coleman

NittPicc and anyone else, if you enjoyed the acoustic Manners, I highly encourage you to check out the whole show which is available on Band Maid Prime. But I especially encourage you to also watch the commentary versions (4 parts) of that same show. If you thought this video was cute, watch and listen to them talk over their own show commenting about it and laughing and poking fun at each other! LOL! It is a wonderful and funny look at their personalities and how they interact with each other. There is NO doubt that these 5 ladies are indeed good friends. And we get to find out what Kanami might have been in a previous life!

Juan San

The main riff of the song can probably be labelled as stoner rock, it wouldn't be strange to find it in a Queens of the Stone Age or Clutch song, but the girls manage to give it a very Band Maid-esque touch (more so than Dragon Cries, the other song it's often compared to). The song is on both sides of Unseen World (Roots and Progress) and they consider it to be a very core sound in their discography, the latter of which I found very striking given the progressive metal tendency of the rest of the album and of Unleash (over time I've come to consider that Unseen World is made up of three EPs, Roots, Progress and Unleash). The last seconds of the song are recorded backwards and in them a woman's voice (probably Miku) seems to sing "I was thinking about you". THank you NittPicc!!

Chalfo

aren't you inadvertently saying that the horns don't add anything (if you didn't know they were there)? In the Live they're more prominent and to me do nothing but alert the listener to the fact that there is a backing track. As I was saying (but lost interest because of some commenters) in a previous post ... I don't mind backing tracks as long as they are in the back. To me, they should ideally be almost (note: ideally and almost) impercievable. A good example of this is Secret My Lips where one effect synced with Akane'ss crash explodes us into the chorus... .only know that it's part of the backing track as it happens later on this time out-of-sync. As for what else is part of that backing track, I have absolutely no idea but whatever is helps the track feel huge.

M.and.PofB-M

When u do ah ah ah ah ah in acoustic version, if Miku see that she will say “nah nah nah, not for you. If some1 get to do, it’s ME 🐦PO’😏😁

Chris Bergsten

I'm divided on their use of studio effects and backing tracks. Puzzle had synth lines that are a prominent part of the song. And that's fine. Obviously in a live setting they have to include that synth, so they have a backing track. The Band-Maiko stuff simply wouldn't exist without those Japanese instruments and chants being added in the studio, and if they ever play them live (I know, they did once) they have to add that stuff in. From Now On wouldn't feel the same without the strings and piano, although it could do without them. But sometimes the studio production feels distracting or unnecessary. The "phone alarm" sound effect in Corallium. The little synth arpeggio they use only once in Protect You. They're so obviously artificial and not part of rest of the composition that they take me out of the song. When I hear these live, it makes me wish they were generating all the music themselves. The horns in Manners fall in the second category for me. I understand they're filling space, but they appear nowhere else in the song and they don't need to be there. They're barely audible in the studio track, which just goes to show how superfluous they are.

Chalfo

Intros/outros not a concern and Band-Maiko was a fun exercise. Within the main song, it's whether the backing track helps to push the main instruments to the front, enhancing their parts or not which is the point I think. Puzzle falls into that category, the obvious synths are transitional or they enhance what is being played rather being the main feature. However, as I was tyring to say before, if Kanami has a lead line on the backing track, it's no longer a backing track, it's now the main event. It's a concern to me for them appealing to new listeners and the age old "they're not playing their own instruments" argument we've heard many times before, not so much for us who know what they're capable of ... but it's always kind of disappointing when I can hear something but can 't see it being played - it's like seeing a great sporting achievement and then finding out a large bit of it was CGI - nobody ever will say "oh, that makes it so much better". It always detracts. I think (and could be wrong) it's partly down to how Kanami gathers all the parts and then adds what she thinks it still needs before they get together and actually play it - the backing track is already done by that point (and Miku hasn't even learnt her bits yet). I'm sure I read one post where Saiki had to turn around to Kanami and say "Stop, it's done, don't add anything else to it" but I could be wrong.

Chalfo

did you edit, Just read From Now on, Corralium and Manners bits (they weren't there before) . FNO, great track but not a patch on Onset or WHB because of the addtional tracks. Yep agree on other comments .... it's distracting more than anything else

frantaf

I always squeak trying to replicate that Miku part, while listening to Manners :)

Chalfo

watch 15 seconds of this https://youtu.be/Vxvfukte-08?t=123 It's my belief that if B-M could reproduce (to a significant degree) anything upto and including Just Bring It live without a backing track (and I well believe that they are capable) they'd be hailed as the Female Rush overnight. Here's the quintessential version (all notes heard are played) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2byjJkN_nVY

Vlad the Maidiac

If you need the scans, I have scanned the whole book. The scans are separated into two folders: the interviews and the score. There are also PDF files, separately for the interviews and the score. I de-bound the book, to make sure the pages were flat when scanned. So, the quality is pretty high: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AlMGoXSGX5qdou8ma_QDFZTF8rwglg?e=iuwJCc

Vlad the Maidiac

Also, the final part in the instrumental Manners seems to be a track playing backwards. I keep reminding myself that I should find a tool to play it backwards, to understand what Miku is singing there, and I always forget...

picti_pixie

Glad you're enjoying the score and the instrumentals! 😊🤍 Happy to help and always enjoy the walk through each song with you! This gave me a much needed break and some fun this evening 🤍

Vlad the Maidiac

Running water is probably "Wash you hands [with hard rock]" — during COVID, it was a big thing. Well, of course, you should wash your hands always, not only during zombie apocalypse 😁

Vlad the Maidiac

I posted here a link to my OneDrive, with the full scan of the book. That page is also there.

Vlad the Maidiac

Oh, that's an interesting note, that it's a three-part album, Roots, Progress, and Unleash! I would only add Hibana here, it definitely belongs to the same group.

Vlad the Maidiac

Hmmm... Interesting discussion. But I was always thinking the opposite thing—how smart it is that BAND-MAID is using backing tracks during live shows. As you said, they could go without them, but those samples add to the "wall of sound" which BAND-MAID creates on stage, and they augment the attendee's experience. You may recall the fancams (not many, unfortunately) from their OKYUJI in Helsinki in 2018, when their "interface" was missing (it was in the lost baggage they recovered later). They managed perfectly fine, it was just a little more funky performance, I would say. BAND-MAID does not rely on backing tracks, but they use them masterly to enrich their OKYUJIs. I'm a bit surprised to see your sentiment about "reproducing (to a significant degree) anything up to and including Just Bring It live without a backing track." I attended quite a few BAND-MAID OKYUJIs, and I would say their backing tracks are just minor embellishments, they don't really change anything. They never scratched me as something odd or artificial. Just a little bit of pepper on top, a ketchup inscription at the side of a plate.

Chalfo

Hi Vlad, I fully agree with the sentiment that (and I think I managed, to express it this time) used properly backing track enriching the sound/enhancing other instrumental parts is fine (it's the prominent stuff that you can't see being played that not only is distracting, in some cases, I agree with Chris, in that it can take you out of the song - you saw it here with Nittpicc "oooh... you hear that, what is that, can you hear it") ... but If they are just "minor embelishments", why not just trigger them live? They're more than capable to do it and would think that it would be any musicians goal to play everything live. Hence why I included the Rush clips - get some Taurus pedals girls then no-one (not even the detractors) can argue that you're not playing. I would say that they currently do rely on them (save interface issue - but if they managed fine, albeit a bit more funky, should do without more often, perhaps in studio before recording), it just seems more and more tracks are being added to it (and more lead parts) oh... one last thing - I cannot in good conscience tie these two premises together 1. Best Band on the Planet 2. Need backing tracks Depends on what 'best' encompasses right enough.

Charlie Lucas

I tried reversing it and didn't hear anything. I'll see if I still have it.

Tom Hammond

Just yesterday I left a comment on a reaction by Ohrenje and Ryan Mear to Forbidden Tale and said it made me think that Band-Maid should soon be taking the stage with a backing orchestra (arranged by Kanami of course). Then, here you are with the echo. Listen to Forbidden Tale and see if you think it is a good candidate for such a presentation. Your 3-way analysis of Manners was mind-expanding. Thanks.

Charles Coleman

I think she is telling us to buy more merch Po! LOL!

Vlad the Maidiac

1. Best Band on the Planet 2. Need backing tracks I would change it from "need" to "use." Them using backing tracks makes their live music better. It's much easier to play live without syncing with a back track, that's what I heard from many musicians. Having a backing track playing on the background while you play live on top of it, is a risky enterprise. I was thinking a lot about it after attending ATERISM's shows in Paris this July. They are an instrumental band par excellence, but there they were trying to sing during one of the songs, Titan. On the studio recording, their vocals sound OK, but live... It was a disaster. And then I thought, they should have used the backing tracks for that. Those vocals are just repetitive vocal patterns, they could have been easily linked to an interface which the drummer could control. I see that Akane has that sample panel to the left of her all the time now. ASTERISM could do the same. Those fancy vocals would play in the background, while they would be free to improvise on top of them. So, I am more in favor of backing tracks, as you can see. I feel that it's a higher level of performance, and a skillful use of the samples during the show is enhancing the overall beauty of it.

Vlad the Maidiac

Somebody said here in another comment that she says "I love you" or something like this 😍

Chalfo

Sorry but I think that's just rubbish... Depends on what their IEMs have going through them (can not have backing track at all - can just be a click if they wanted). Taylor Swift must be an absolute Genius as she's put the whole band on a backing track (as well as some of her own vocals). ... or buskers, hope you recognise their talent and give them lots of money.

Juan San

Of course! Hibana deserves a place in this compositional period.

Chalfo

"and a skillful use of the samples" ... not on backing track? That's taking the easy way out by your logic!

Chalfo

two other things in your comment has popped out to me. 1 - "It's much easier to play live without syncing with a back track" ok so why "when their "'nterface' was missing... They managed perfectly fine" wouldn't they if it was that much easier? and 2. "they could have been easily linked to an interface which the drummer could control" - that would be triggers you're talking about, not a backtrack

Vlad the Maidiac

But "triggers" control the portions of the backing track, right? Akane hits the corresponding trigger when the sample must start. In that OKYUJI in Finland they played as if nothing happened, that's what I wanted to say 🤷‍♂️ And I actually don't recall that I ever noticed those backing tracks during the OKYUJIs. Maybe I should listen again to my recordings, but what I already remember, for example, is "from now on" in Boston in 2022. I listened to that recording afterwards a few times. Of course, there is that semi-symphonic intro, and theoretically, there must be a keyboard playing, but I don't hear it at all. And it's like that with all their live performances. When in the audience, I heard only those intros, like those in "Sense" and "from now on." OK, to check it once again, I relistened to my recording of "onset" from Melkweg/Amsterdam. In the official versions, there's a very loud backing track in "onset." But in the real raw version, I don't hear anything. I don't know, maybe it was playing, but very quietly? I don't hear it. And by the way, the performance sounds amazing even without it.

Chalfo

Honestly, losing track of all your contradictions. You can have one sample fthat runs for the whole song and that is called the backing track (one complete entity) or you can have single samples that you trigger as you go - those are not the backing track and I consider 'played'. Doesn't take much skill to trigger the backing track - one hit - and anyone could trigger it (even a tech - remember Akane forgetting to connect her IEM before Freedom and missing her cue?) Anyway enough ... whether you know it's there, whether you think it's better even thouigh you don't know it's there, whether it's only minor embellishments that don't change anything, or that they are so skillful in their use of something that you don't know whether you hear it or not but without it they still sound great or just a bit funkier, I wholeheartedl disagree ... probably.

David Cook

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