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Britainology 52: The Big Christmas Dinner (Patreon)

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2022-12-23 19:56:46
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For this month's second Britainology, Nate and Milo discuss the mandatory food selections for British and American Christmas dinner, critique Christmas music and both countries' approach to it, establish that the existence of Black Friday in Russia posits the existence of Russian Thanksgiving (antisemitic), and much more.

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Carter Kriss

no eggnog discussion?? when i was in japan i had to learn how to make it from scratch because only the other americans i was with had even heard of it

Oliver Cant

YES! This is exactly the topic I wanted.

Felicity Hall

The Tf team are really spoiling us with content over the festive period

Quém é

When I was a teenager my dad had two extremely vile English coworkers who we spent Christmas Eve with one year. The wife in particular was very intent on showing us English Christmas traditions; among them, Christmas pudding. Eating it was the last thing we did before we left and once we got in car, my very Bostonian father spat out the driverside window, wiped his tongue with a napkin from the glovebox, and said "if that's what they eat to celebrate, what the fuck do they serve them in prison."

AngryOldManYaddaYadda

You learn to really hate Christmas music working in a small import/used record store, where the owner insists *nothing* could be played from Nov 15 to Jan 3 except the horrible middle of the road tape he and his wife made. We tried doing an alternative tape with the Kinks, Sparks, Slade, Run DMC, etc., but it got banned immediately. There was a lot of "Do They Know It's Christmas-level crap on their tape. Immense psychic damage.

Violet

I feel obligated to inform you that stuffing is cooked inside the bird and dressing is cooked outside of it.

ZombieDwarf

Nate made a real Monkey's Paw wish about Gang of Four, there.

Jonathan Kohlhas

Finding a goose for Christmas in Germany would not have been super hard for your mum. Goose is a very common Christmas dinner in Germany.

lousullivan.bf

I’m from one of the weirdo families that has a goose. The amount of fat those things produce boggles the mind. My dad keeps the run-off in a jar in the fridge and uses it year round to make roast potatoes, and it usually takes all year to get through it. It does make the best roast potatoes, and I recently discovered it’s excellent for matzo balls as well.

Mike Freeman

Vegetable oil is best for roast potatoes, with a sprinkling of salt and white pepper.

Man, I Got Nothing

I’ve always described Christmas pudding as warm fruit cake. Drowning it in brandy butter is essential.

Oliver Cant

As someone who's studied music (if I may humbly brag for a sec), writing Christmas music is really hard. If you try it yourself, you'll soon finding out how hard it is to make that evokes the right aesthetic, have a memorable & catchy enough tune people will want to sing it, and lyrics that don't sound cheesy/cringe. However, if you can write one and people genuinely love it and you're a signed artist on a label, you can basically retire. At least that's the case for a lot of the classics. Noddy Holder of Slade may complain about "Merry Christmas Everybody" blaring in all the shops, but it does mean he sits on a decent fortune of royalty money he can claim every year. His publisher likely claims an even bigger slice of the pie on top of that. A lot of the Christmas music we know of (White Christmas, Winter Wonderland etc.) was written by songwriters like Hermann Berlin, Oscars & Hammerstein etc. In places like the Brill Building offices in New York (where all of the early pop stars Pre-rock N Roll had their material ghost written by teams of writers at desks, as well as making adverts, radio jingles etc). I believe a lot of them also happened to be Jewish, so Christmas wasn't a huge deal to them. In doing so, they focused instead on themes about winter, family gatherings, the mythology of Santa, and so on. This then may have had the unexpected side effect of influencing the slow secularising of Christmas and making it more popular among non-Christians in the early 20th century. I don't know for sure. I just remembered that last bit from a documentary I think we saw in class. So there's definitely a "Jazz standard" approach to Christmas music, and much of it comes Jazz's initial heyday from the 1920's onwrds. Once you've established that standard, it's very difficult to stray away from it.

Tera

No wonder Milo thinks Christmas Pudding is bland if the ones he is eating are a few months old. Minimum age for a decent pud is 18 months, we're having one that is four years old for pudding tomorrow. Also both brandy sauce and brandy cream are no match for the true king of brandy butter. Just butter, icing sugar and brandy. If it doesn't make your teeth curl it isn't strong enough!

Jordyn Clementi

The main thing I got out of this episode is that Milo seems like a decent cook and everything but the desserts is incredibly legible for your average American. Also, turkey tops: for when you hate yourself.

Dennis Schmidt

Milos roast potatoes sound good as fuck

Etta H

A parson is another word for a priest or clergyman, but it hasn't been used much since the 80s. Parson Brown isn't a reference to anyone, it's just a name for a priest

The Boring Punk

Try a Christmas pud cold the next day with slice of hard cheese. I rate it

Damien Magee

Australian christmas is unhinged. 30+ degrees celsius, both Ham AND Turkey, roast veggies and prawns. Again, this is the height of Australian summer.

good name haver

As an American child I thought Boxing Day was when British people celebrated the suppression of the Boxer Rebellion