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I was trying to do some further optimisations for the reference tuning lately and although I managed to achieve an even smoother response, it started to deviate too much from what I perceive with speakers and I reverted back to my original settings which I only minimally readjusted for myself.

To have an even more reliable neutral reference I ordered a used pair of Neumann KH80 monitors which should arrive next week. Together with their internal DSP correction the KH80 should hopefully offer and even more neutral and consistent sound and allow for even better tuning results I can hopefully achieve in future.

In the meantime I also ordered some IEMs which I would like to include in an upcoming comparison. I already received the Apple AirPods Pro and the Nuratrue TWS, which I both tested yesterday shortly. I was positively surprised by the AirPods Pro, although lacking detail being somehow muddy and too bassy overall they still managed to sound rather natural and usable and by applying an additional hearing profile it definitely helped to open the sound even more. While far from perfect the sound was quite Ok and didn’t sound off. 

Although the measurements look a bit weird lacking eargain in the 3khz region the ear canal resonance seems to be kept nicely under control with no obvious peak, probably thanks to the adaptive Eq which unfortunately there is no control over. The overall response changes quite a bit though with different insertion, not sure how the shifting upper harmonics which you can see as peak in the treble region would affect the overall sound for different ears. Still I think Apple did really nicely and I could imagine many even preferring their sound over what I was trying to achieve with the Free Pro 2 as the AirPods Pro have a nice sound stage (probably also enhanced by some DSP) this was also something that I noticed: the overall sound always appears processed and digital, as if lots of FX were going on in the background.

The Nura on the other hand are really bad for the asked price. Without hearing profile the sound is a bad joke. It manages to improve with the user profile but is still far from natural sounding. It sounds even more artificial than the AirPods Pro, the frequency response I measured with my hearing profile applied looks very strange which makes me wonder how this can even manage to sound close to something usable.

It’s not completely horrible but definitely nothing I would like to spend money on. After unboxing it tells you to first charge them for at least an hour, then you need to create a user account for the app to be used, wait for the firmware update, perform the hearing profile… After having wasted 2 hours with them I was really disappointed by the results.

Next week the Anker Liberty 3 Pro together with the Nothing ear (1) should arrive, I am not sure I will order something else as well. But I will try to measure them all and also prepare some sound samples to be included in my video.

Despite all the effort finding one’s ear canal resonance and possible frustration thanks to the bad usability of the Airoha app, I think you get way more value from the results one gets out of the Free Pro when the proper tuning is applied with maybe some additional personal corrections and I will definitely try to convince more people trying it out as long as it is still offered especially for the ridiculous current price. Because with the pervert market attitude currently to offer new successor models every couple of months, people do not seem to be interested a lot in “cheap old products” if they can get some more recent models costing several times as much sounding far worse at the same time.

I am currently in the process of finding a way how to create realistic sound samples for IEMs which is not that straightforward actually, so stay tuned!

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Arturo

Airpods pro sounds the best in transparancy mode

Foltea Iustin

Is there that a big difference between ANC and normal on the anker soundcore life q30? I hear some difference.

oluvsgadgets

Yes, it sounds best with ANC the other modes boost bass too much

Arturo

Transparancy sounds more open to me, but everyone hears differently 😊

oluvsgadgets

It measures the same with both modes only normal mode sounds different

Foltea Iustin

Are you going to get or test the new jbl partybox encore?

Foltea Iustin

I heard it is quite ok and 80% of the volume of the 110

Foltea Iustin

But I haven't seen a price anywhere. Or at least I don't find it

Arturo

I will be getting the Technics az60 on Wednesday. Am curious to see how these sound.

David Walsh

Regarding the Neumann KH80... What monitors were you previously using? Were you performing some correction on them? Have you made any recommendations regarding monitors for a desk setup (or for correction of same)?

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Although I think your question is pretty off topic here in context: In normal mode, the Q30 sounds as if someone has raised all the low frequency bands on a graphic EQ. This sounds powerful and dynamic at first, but it quickly becomes exhausting, especially because the low frequencies are clearly overemphasized, and this puts pressure on the overall sound image. With ANC, the Q30 sounds smoother and more natural, but above all, the bass is reduced to such an extent that you can hear details better in the bass as well. If you have adapted the EQ with ANC for yourself and then switch to normal mode, you can clearly hear the difference. In normal mode, you cannot tame the mid and upper bass enough with the in-app EQ, which is only possible in ANC mode. Short: Yes. There is a relatively huge difference between "Normal" and "ANC".

Foltea Iustin

I know how is to be exausted because of bass. Don't remind me. And also Thancks for the detailed answer.

oluvsgadgets

I used the iloud Micro Monitors, together with the Helsinki which has the smoothest transition from mids to treble and the Minrigis in studio mode. I also checked the final response against the Sonos Roam, the JBL Flip 6 and some others, just to get an idea if I am somehow correct, but they all sounded quite different though, therefore it was hard for me to get some "absolute" reference which was the reason I decided to get something more serious. I hope the KH80 will do the trick.

David Walsh

Got it thanks. I have a pair of Tannoy Reveal 402 on my desk. To be honest, I'm not quite satisfied with them, but I guess the sensible direction would be to try to perform some correction.

Jeremy

Thanks for the update! Excited to see what you think of the liberty 3 pros. They use the same eq as the q30 which you like so much. Would love to see you tune some wired iems as well, there’s just something about wired that always sounds less fake to me. You should reach out to Dan’s audio reviews on YouTube. He has the best testing for iems and I really enjoy his reviews and mic samples. Thanks for all you do!

yossibm

are you using spatial audio with the airpods?

oluvsgadgets

No, it sounded far worse with most Dolby Atmos recordings than without.

Dennis Bokov

I also think AirPods pro a little muddy with stock tips. Replaced them with SpinFit CP1025 and the sound is a lot less muddy, and the bass still stays great with good impact. I normally wear medium apple tips but got size ML spinfit tips and they fit even better.

oluvsgadgets

They sound wrong though, mids upper mids sound off compared to a neutral reference. Most don’t care but if you are used to a true sound, the AirPods Pro don’t cut it

Dennis Bokov

I agree, mids do sound off, especially when doin A and B testing/listening comparing to other neutral headphones. Earfun pro 2 with latest neutral tuning does sound better. But, overall I like them. Its relaxed and non-fatiguing sound I can listen for many hours. I reach for AirPods Pros when I study/work and need better noise cancelling and the convenience of automatic switching between Apple devices.

Foltea Iustin

Sadly I can't get rid of the bass heavy nature of the q30 without a separate eq

yossibm

would there be a review for Neumann KH80? I am thinking of buying them for a long time but there is no reputable review, and they are too expensive to buy them "blind".

oluvsgadgets

I compared ANC but didn’t find that much difference actually. Both hardly manage to cancel out upper mids.