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You can choose alligators, or crocodiles, those are your only options.

Edit: WOOPS, I meant to schedule this post for tomorrow!! Ah well, enjoy an early Elephant Town! Daylight saving's confusing everyone today anyway. ;)

Boy I went down a rabbit hole when I searched for "stop sweating surgery." 

YES, there are natural ways to help yourself stop sweating (and safe meds - beta blockers have been my godsend while teaching). But incels have this tendency toward surgery and I wanted to give a peek at their body-altering, often expensive (and elective, so not covered by insurance) solutions for the problems that, uh, are the reason they're single, in their minds.

PS every time I show Paul throwing away a shirt because it's stained, it makes me cringe!

PPS that drawing of Paul being startled by the audiobook is one of my favorite drawings in this book so far. Heh.

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Antonio Tyler

INCEL FORUM is such a weird way to spell Reddit 😂

Crunchos cereal

Paul is a pretty good example of cringe. Throwing sweat-stained shirts to the bin is just the cherry on top.

David Neale-Lorello

I’m so amazed that you are diving into this community. I work with and practice compassion for marginalized communities for a living and I still struggle with these guys. It is so not a woman’s job to understand incels and yet here you are. I can’t imagine you’re looking for kudos, but, wow, I’m blown away. It also makes me curious about how present they are in Shepherdstown; is Paul based on people you’ve interacted with?

Laura J Testa-Reyes

wow, didn’t realize the shirt was going in the trash, until you pointed it’s out. I just thought it was his laundry basket. Sheesh. what a waste of money and materials.

Cab

Huge TV, bed sheets on the windows, you know your stuff.

Tudza

Didn't Bruce Lee have this sweat gland removal done for real?

Entropy345

I really love how nuanced you're making Paul. He's definitely got issues, but I'm really rooting for him to figure them out and become a healthier individual. I get the sense that he knows he's not connecting and he's trying to figure out why, but going to all the wrong sources.

Dean Reilly

I'd imagine that to Paul the shirt is now linked to his failure, and will remind him of it every time he wears it.

William Cole

I feel weird hitting like on these Paul pages because there's absolutely nothing likable about him, but it's a fascinating and, as Entropy above said, nuanced portrait.

Sayer

I feel like spending the time to examine Paul's and by proxy the reality of those immersed in the incel community is of value. There is precious little actual examination of what leads these dudes to these communities and subsequent marginalization. I feel like it has got to be someone's job to do this work, because the current status quo of hissing and bursting into flame isn't doing anything to fix what is a societal problem. Hats off to you Danielle, because I can't imagine the research required to present such a nuanced treatment of such a character is fun to do at all.

Entropy345

ALSO: I STRONGLY suspect Paul's arc does NOT involve having a "manic pixie dream girlfriend" magically solve all his problems, so I can't wait to see how his storyline progresses. Dare I hope that Paul does the work himself to create a happier life for himself instead of relying on a woman to fix it for him?

Fred Baker

u/TonyTylerDraws That you? Just wondering.

Antonio Tyler

That depends…you The Law? (Yes that’s me)

Tim Pendergast

If a manic pixie type shows up to magically solve his problems I imagine it will be someone along the lines of Carol Kane in Scrooged.

Tim Pendergast

A bit confused by all this. Does Paul trigger the audiobook from his phone or does he sit on the remote and turn on the TV? I don't have a cellphone so I have no idea what's possible with one.

Tim Pendergast

I had no idea there was a cure/treatment for sweating. I have no trouble speaking to women or men (I'm gay. Are there gay Incels? No, wait, don't answer that.) but anytime the temperature is above 65F I'm sweating buckets. Guess I should look into beta blockers!

Ruth Merriam

Is no one else thinking about how greasy and nasty that sofa must be? Wonderful segue between the phone app and the TV turning itself on like *magic*. Listen, Paul. It's your fairy godfather speaking. Also, take out the trash already.

dcorsetto

Oh!! I forgot to make the "CLICK" under his back white so it'd show up better. I hope that answers your question. :)

Tim Pendergast

Now I get it! ;) I misread the click as coming from the phone. Now I just need to get my audiobooks to play on my TV too. (The only behavior of Paul's I want to emulate!)

Theadora

Really looking forward to Paul getting himself together!

dcorsetto

I think it's easier tackling this topic as someone who is decidedly NOT on their radar; a relatively confident OLD MAID. ;) If anyone in this town is an incel, I guarantee I've never met them because they do NOT venture out, from what I've read, unless it's for work or the gym. Also I tend to avoid people who don't smile and uh, if the photos these guys put on their threads are any indicator, their #1 similarity is that they do NOT smile. (There are a lot of "tell me what's wrong with the way I look" threads, where they solicit surgery/workout solutions from other members. Contrary to what you may assume, 95% of them are good-looking young men. Their eyes are empty and their faces are devoid of emotion, but I don't think they see that; they just see wrong nose/wrong eyes/wrong forehead/weak chin/wrong ethnicity/etc. It's heartbreaking.)

dcorsetto

I can't say I ever dated any incels, but I know the genre!

dcorsetto

Thank you for saying this. :) These folks are human, and I can't say I understand many of them, but there are some flickers of hope here and there in the forum, and people tend to leave after a year or two... As for fun, it's about as fun as reading the news? Is there a word for fascinating *AND* heartbreaking?

dcorsetto

Of his traits, it's a good one to choose!

dcorsetto

I forgot to smear some grime near the bottom of the couch! But I mean, yeah, you can probably just assume that into existence. ;)

David Neale-Lorello

Heartbreaking indeed. Angry as I am at the actions of the most unwell of them (e.g., driving a car into crowds of women) I feel my heart tearing itself apart at the thought of the self-reinforcing "reality" that these guys live in. Also, I didn't know about the prevalence of body dysmorphia among them. I see now the brilliance of your making Paul physically attractive; his tragedy is deepened. Thank you for your profound compassion.