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Dragonball Daima Ep 20 (Patreon)

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2025-03-03 21:54:11
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2026-06
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welp, see yall in 20 years lol

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Raider

Amazing episode Rip Toriyama

David K.

the last thing toriyama worked on in dragon ball was this episode before his passing last year. truly the end of an era

Raven86

Can't wait for the "Dragonball Alpha" release in 2045! HYPE!!

Casual

sheera effective back of the head right away no bs 😂😂😂😂

Casual

the tamagamis out here aura faming

SolarPaul

I get that a portion of the fanbase won't like it, because its more old school DB than it is Super, but I loved it. It reminded me of how Dragon Ball used to feel, fun and hype. Imo Super is kinda mid, too much focus on fights over substance.

Q

“You can’t show us the fusion bug and not use it.” Animators: 😎

Trey Milliner-Williams

i like how the ending it looked like Piccolo, Kami, and Dende from the back when they were talking about bringing the Namekians there

Devin B

Overall this was a fun and nostalgic experience, obviously there were some things that I wasn't too keen on but definitely would give this a solid 7/10.

Sam

I really enjoyed this ride but I won't lie, I felt like a bit of a bitch at the end lol. Knowing this was Toriyama's last work kinda hit me in the chest a bit. So glad they killed it with the animation and gave it the send off it deserved! I do agree with Roshi's take at the end, I feel like that's what they need to do from now on.

Noson

The charge up goku does is a reference to DBZ original op of cha la head cha la and the front perspective of the kamehameha is also a reference to a drawing of goku firing the kamehameha in base form (7:45)

Omar

This was dope, but I'm gonna think of this as it's own thing opposed to fitting it between Z and Super. I don't really care about continuity, though criticisms about that are valid. While I enjoyed the OG Dragonball vibes, this could have been 13 episodes. And Toriyama was in his gag bag with this, no fusion and having the evil third eye at a convenience spot. I ain't even mad at it.

The Endless

Lmao been lovin Roshis pious holier than though mentality when it comes to DBZ content as if A. We haven’t been getting the content the fanbase has been asking/dying for back to back within the Decade (the ungratefulness) and B. They don’t have slop like the 100 GFs on here.

Cleven Anthony

Honestly as a db fan it gave me everything I expected. That’s how toriyama has always been. Entertainment and trolling & the continuity issues we will be explained away like the potara earrings was

tayidk

need super asap

Basedra

Toriyama himself has always said he makes the story and adds ideas as he pleases and if it doesn’t fit what he’s said before then its whatever. “Canon” has been a secondary thing so I don’t mind stuff not fitting.

Basedra

Also the entire time Goku was blowing up the arena with his energy I was like “is bulma alright” and then they cut to her using her arms to shield herself.

Zygo
>>166603146

literally nobody asked for daima, niggas have been begging for the moro and granolah arcs to be animated and not some spin off that most likely won't be brought up ever (it was fire for the most part tho)

Nick Vaughn

Continuity in modern day DB is messy to say the least. Prime example, Gohan fought Kefla in the Super manga version of the ToP but didn’t in the show or even Goku using hakai against Merged Zamasu in the manga but not in the show. Absolutely love and respect Toryiama but canon and continuity just weren’t that important for them as opposed to us here in the US. It’s crazy to me how Toei treats a massive property like Dragonball in comparison to One Piece which gets so much more care and attention all around.

Anon7524

Hot take: a canonical continuity is something that shouldn't be guaranteed, and we are spoiled by the modern high quality non-episodic shows

Casual

I love dragon ball but all these continuity errors make the series and the integrity of the show very frustrating like breaking rules already set decades ago, bringing shit up just to not use them, not explaining shit or just making shit up to brush off shit, the manga does a better job but still has some problems. But i still love this IP i just wish they took more care into their continuity as other shows. I swear if they animate the manga all these complaints will lower but not totally disappear and truly bring dragon ball to its prime glory

StarMarmot

The troll win over Goma was the same troll Yajirobe did on Vegeta

Mollywopper
>>166605720

"Stories shouldn't make sense" is definitely a hot take I'll give you that lmao. I love episodic shows but if you're going to be linking stories together you need to at least put some effort into keeping continuity.

Tenroku

Tbh we watch DB for the cool fights and seeing our favorite characters get power ups. Besides that the story is so messy

Dark Danny

New Namek looks just like old Namek, why would they move to the Demon world?

Keith

What Sheera was saying is there have been fan theories (just trying to find ANY way they could connect it) saying that the dream Beerus had of the “Super Saiyain God” was actually SSJ4. But none of them knew it as that name and were clueless what he meant. They made the wish which told them how to make an actual “SSJG” and then it continued scaling from there. But the theory is that’s why SSJ4 is red like SSJG. Still plenty of holes in that theory but i guess would be a cool way to spin it

Dark Danny

Great animation and fights, but like I've said early on, mid story

Trequan Williams

honestly a 6 is perfect maybe a 6.5 but I like 6 for this show cause the story part of this show was very mid and pacing was trash, along with continuity issues the saving grace was this was the best dragon ball has LOOKED in a long while but I'm not someone that just loves pretty pictures I like stuff to make sense or some symbolist of cohesion if it does come out as an alternate route and not in the canon timeline then it would go up for me.

GameGod

This show definitely could have been shrunk in the first half, but overall I thought it was cool. Definitely some character let downs lol, but all will be forgiven if any of this demon realm stuff will be relevant later on. i don't think this series happened for no reason. Toyotarou is good enough to create cohesiveness in the story, but the studio just need to give him the keys.

dexota

i just don't get why they decided to introduce the majin bros, and then just not make them the final villain

Denickart

Good series but they need to just let Dragon Ball rest now that Toriyama's gone instead of trying to milk it. If they touch it again it should just be to remake the original series every 20 years like they do with Astro Boy.

Tenroku

Yeah Toriyama’s slapstick comedy just doesn’t work for me here. So we have Piccolo who had several opportunities to strike Gomah or hell GOKU could’ve, whiffing it and Duu just randomly does it and that’s just the end of the entire conflict? This really does feel like a kids show cause the writing is ass

Devin B
>>166605720

If they said that this was an alternate timeline I'm pretty sure it would've been rated higher by the general public

Co

I loved the Daima series. I agree with Roshi and the crew that the writing could have been better. This isn't the 90s and we're not children eating cereal in front of a TV. We're adults eating cereal in front of our computers lol. But in all seriousness, hearing that discussion made me think of one rare possibility that I'll pose as a question: What if we got a Dragon Ball series with the peak animation of this last Daima episode and the level of writing of Attack on Titan? Someone start a GoFundMe for that. I'll pay

Denickart
>>166605720

Yeah we've pretty much known this was an alternate continuity since episode 1 when Shin and Kibito defused. Idk why people so easily accept there being thousands of different Supermans but have an aneurysm at the thought of there being different Gokus.

joshua barnett

Can't wait til goku gets the 3rd eye in super AND goes ultra instinct lol

Kika gama

honestly I don't see where the continuity issues are.. yes they never really bring up the transformation in super.. but the ssj4 is useless. It probably consumes even more energy than ssj3(the reason why they barely use it) and it's way weaker than ssj god. No point using ssj3 and 4.. for weaker opponents ssj2 is good enough and for stronger opponents just go for the ssj god.

TALK NO JUTSU

did yall see goten and trunks at the end still being kids even tho they where teens at the end of dbz

j0-2TiMEZz

Caption kilt me 😂😂😂 funny but also sad because it’s true 😅😢

Fred
>>166610101

that could be the granolah arc is they do it right vegeta in that arc had such good character dynamics with everyone

Tbdovan

The timelines go Db-DBz-Daima-End of Z Db-DBZ-Super-End of Z Db-DBZ-GT Idk why people having such a hard time accepting multiple branched stories. Toriyama accepts all pieces apart of his story that's what he says every time. Daima was just another insert to his original work. Never was this indicated to take place before events in Super. It's place in time is just after the battle with Buu. Then would jump to the end of Z

Chocobo_Choker

Any Dragon Ball Kakarot owners coppin' the new Daima DLC??

Phroug
>>166611222

That's cool and all, but Goku straight up says in the first fight with Beerus that SS3 is his final form

Phroug

Daima introduced the possibility of like 10 new awesome things and decided not to capitalize on a single one of them

Stacy McQueen

Yea you have the literary device of ‘chekhov gun’ but a lot of people seem to forget about the ‘red herring’ literary device. Sometimes if something seems way too obvious, it’s probably a red herring. Remember, they did it to us in creature commandos with Nina

Stacy McQueen

Also, I think goku knew he could go ssj4 but there was probably a barrier he just couldn’t get past. Neva most likely helped him break past that barrier

Guns

So Gomah got to go into the otaku heaven for 99 years?

Godrick

Gomah was laughing like he wasnt getting the shit kicked outta him for 3 episodes

Stellarnut

I completely agree with Roshi and his take on everything, the show was cool and fun but it creates more and more problems in the story which bother me. I feel like they really only did it because Toryiama wanted to and we just have to count Daima as a one off regardless of what they're trying to claim because none of this shit ever came back up in super and at this point would be ridiculous if it did.

Senjioh

I am alittle annoyed they teased fusion from the start and never did anything with it

Godrick

Troiyama drops cannon ssj4, drops new fusion, doesn't explain. Leaves.

Guns

The next time we see the demon king, he for sure finna have an eye on his forehead. And the villain trynna take him over will have the other one for sure

Denickart
>>166615980

If they really wanted to fuse they'd just use Shin's potara or have Piccolo teach Vegeta the fusion dance real quick. Showing the fusion bugs was just worldbuilding.

Godrick

So like... Glorio and Arinsu are OBVIOUSLY gonna become Towa and Mira later on right?

The Endless
>>166603146

@Zygo yeah bro nobody has literally asked for More Lore about Nameks and the demon races and other realms in general. Most of all the canonization and return of SSJ4. Yall think "i dont want" means the REST of us dont want it. Folks like you and Roshi is literally just trying to get yall shonentard itch scratched with UI bc it obv its not the story your looking for.

YungZeus

I find if funny how some people forget what kind of writer Toriyama was. Toriyama wrote a story, let people figure out the continuity and dipped out. What a chad.

Godrick

Whats reaaally wild is the official dragonball super twitter did some trolling before the finale dropped and implied whis was gonna make an appearance

CAM

It’s crazy because goku’s battle iq is supposed to be insane and always learning in battle so he should’ve easily been able to get the eye out lol

Devin B
>>166615980

But then why have them buy the fusion bug if they weren't going to use it.

Grimm

Yeah I know little to known about what Toriyama wants for Dragon Ball and I know he was a little bit involved with GT. I just google it but someone can fact check me but he didn't write any of the story for GT but he did create some images and did a some other little stuff for GT. I think after the Buu saga he told his story for Dragon ball and was sort of done with it and didn't really mind if other people wrote stories for it.

WTT_321
>>166615980

It was an excuse for them to return to the shop for another TWIST at the end of the series....! I honestly felt mixed about that part since they didn't do the fusion bit since, you know, that's something we've WANTED TO SEE, but no.... I had a feeling it wasn't going to be when the show ended...

Julian_lol

They should just bring back DBS and adapt it as a seasonal anime like nobody is asking for long running anime anymore and it also gives the team time so that DB gets the quality it deserves. I haven't read the DBS manga but I have heard a lot of good things so I hope it does return someday.

Delinda Arts

naw that fusion bug set up was a nassssty troll man lmao those animators did such a great job. That Kamehameha sequence was for Toriyama.

WTT_321

I'll give Toriyama credit when it came to at least being kickass in a different way (and reminds me of something): remember when Kid Goku literally shot through King Piccolo into his chest with himself as a bullet? I appreciate the fact that his Kamehameha blew through the clown's chest (and into the next 2 demon worlds) lol XD I'm surprised you guys skipped the credits, because there was funny shit of what the Kai and the Clown were doing in that bottle lol XD But yeah, I agree w/ your guys' opinion w/ this show...: some episodes could've been cut out to maybe 12-14 episodes w/o the ship(s) breaking down every time (hell, I think those bugs were used as a plot device/excuse for them to go back to that shop for that so-called "twist" at the end)... I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama based this off of his other game series (Dragon Quest I think?) and it shows after looking up some elements here and there... I also wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama "forgot" yet again about the continuity bit (like him somehow rewriting Goku's origin story for the Broly movie, changing it to more like Superman than what was established Goku's own story from the DBZ series or the fact that Shin.......)... At the very least, it was a fun ride nonetheless, knowing how much Toriyama sensei put into the lore of this show, especially that we got confirmation that the Namekians and the Kais (or Glinds, whatever) are demons based on their pointy ears. For me, it's a 7/10 in the kickass battles and being the proper GT w/ the majority of the main characters turning into kids and not just Goku.

Giyuu

give the eye to tien

Giyuu

10/10

Purple Haze

The whole series? Imma say 4/10 ts was just a mess 😭😭😭

Dark Danny
>>166613635

GT despite following the events of the end of Z isn't canon tho. Also this 100% takes place before the events of Super, cause it's Trunks birthday and he says he turning 9, he was 8 in the Buu saga. The timeline is DB-DBZ-Daima-DBS-end of Z. It's just confusing cause he didn't think things through. He should have just made a canon continuation of Z instead of trying to fit prequels in between the end of Z. I love Dragon Ball but Toriyama has always had inconsistency and plot holes in his work even before Super or Daima

Dark Danny
>>166611222

Goku says ssj3 is as far as he could go in super before he got god ki. I love Dragon ball but Toriyama wasn't the best story teller, even before super or daima. The cell saga is probably my favorite saga but i can point out a bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense about it

Badsos123

Yeah the odd story choices in certain points were weird but it is a DAMM good show overall!!! I hope they explain the it in the future and be more consistent with the lore in the future. 20 episodes was perfect for this smaller arc in the DB universe.

Jordan Postle
>>166625999

I would've much rather gotten a brand new fusion form over Ultra Vegeta 1 and repurposed slight redesign SSJ4 Goku that no matter what they try to say Goku didn't achieve it on his own through training. First time e was when Neva gave him the ass pull.

Jordan Postle
>>166616237

I don't remember any fusion. I remember the blue balls from the teasing of a new fusion.

Jordan Postle
>>166615056

Nah Neva gave him that shit and it wasn't earned. They should've eluded or hinted that Goku felt a deeper power during his training after Buu in an earlier episode. It was just not the best writing.

Ultra Sen

Goku's Japanese VA is 88 years old by the way.

Tbdovan
>>166613635

Daima has nothing to do with super. Don't focus on the idea of "canon". The only thing canon is that it is associated with toriyama's official last work which is the buu saga which is why it was placed in this spot. Shueisha the company that's owns the rights to DB released the official timeline before and GT is actually associated with the "canon" if you really want to follow it. Every interview you look up from this the only thing they associated it with is the Buu Saga that's it. no mention of Super at all unlease it's fan made interpretation which is why so much misinformation has been spread. This is also why I specified Toriyama agreed to include GT as apart of his story as a side quest venture similar to what he has down with Daima and Super as well. So to refer to something as noncanon when toriyama approved it to be linked to where he finished the manga is very silly. So yes toriyama thought this through very well, you just have it stuck in your head that just because of where it was placed means it has continuity errors because you are forcing it to be linked to Super.

Jordan Postle

Dude this shit makes no sense. All of it is convoluted as Hell. Why would any of the Namekians be nomads? They literally got a new planet as their home after Frieza blew the one up

Stacy McQueen
>>166615056

Facts, it could’ve been something simple. Goku could’ve eluded to it in one line or two with Neva listening in the background. The reason for ssj4 being introduction wasn’t well executed

Nate Deezy
>>166634708

i heard that she gave her voice completely to Toei for AI so they can use it after she passes

Arsean Wilbon

8/10 if i dont think about the story, 5/10 when i think about the story lol actually 7/10 and 4/10 cause I hate the cut off forearm hair/popeye arms lmao

BZD
>>166635779

Weren’t they living on earth? Or am I misremembering.

BZD

To me it feels like Daima was only the first of several new additions to Dragon Ball, but then Toriyama passed away. So this is what we will be left with.

Wrëck

wow crazy mans gained advantage over the server with micro transactions lol

Clinton the Bingethinker

2:54 Yeah Lupa, I said that too. Chekov’s gun: You can’t show us the bugs and then not let them use them. Dragon Ball Daima was like, “yes tf we can” 😑

Steven

Dragon ball: fuck around coming 2026 wait on it

Doc Anime!

Ima give this an 8/10 like Lupa. I Just think ppl forgot how the Dragonball story telling went bc everyone is so use to Z and Super now. Plus folks just salty there predictions were wrong for the series. We got plenty of Lore that was never explained before, but I know most ppl are only gonna care about the fights and transformations smh. Im honestly not mad at the SSJ4 or the fusion bug not being used. It's obvious the Toriyama just gave Toyotarou the ultimate assist with the story bc now the Demon realm, fusion bugs and SSJ4 can now be used in the Manga!

Doc Anime!
>>166799307

Ppl should honestly not care about the timeline and plot holes as much when it comes to DBZ. I think a lot of ppl forgot that the story of DBZ is technically done. Daima and Super is just filling in that 10yr gap after the bus saga ended. So there we're already gonna be changes to the original story from the get go.

Boogie's Games

I’m still new to Dragonball but personally I’m enjoying this show rs💯