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Ernie

29min without comments? What timeline am i in?

Ernie

Hannah staying in a time where Polio vacine wasn't invented... That's a choice.

Joseph

this show be eating yalls brains.

Joseph

no shade

Rai

So jonas's son is also his great great grandfather... yea let's just delete this town🫩

Joseph

imma need yall to react to the family tree after you finish the show.

Lamaree Jackson

Special episode of The Bear came out today. Y’all should watch it

Chris Kringle

Am I the only one that thinks Adam looks like Vader without his helmet lol especially in that jacket

Hanno

Sheeragan is cooked

Hanno

The most insane thing is that in 87 there's a kid Hannah and an old man Egon

Hanno

The guy with the cleft lip tells Tronte that he knew his mother and that he gave him his name, implying he's his dad. And in s1, Agnes (Tronte's mother and Ulrich's grandmother) said her husband was a priest and the guy with the cleft lip says he used to be a minister

Green Gren

You can at least excuse Egon ( well not cheating... but even that he already knew or at least suspected that wife was doing same with Agnes) because he had no idea who Hannah (Katharina for him) is but Hannah is crazy for sleeping with him since she knew him only as old man before that...

Mxri

I don't care what sob story Hannah tells herself. She continuously goes after men that are married and then when shit hits the fan she's all "oh.. I'm the victim"... FUCK👏🏼THAT👏🏼

Paul-Junior Black

Y'all don't need this you figured it out at the end but I'll leave the comment up for the 33 year cycle bit Couple clarifications... 1) The girl Tronte is talking to at the lake who he gives the bracelet to is Jana. His wife in 1986, Jana is Mads and Ulrich's mom. So he marries that girl but in 1986 he cheats on Jana with Claudia you can see Claudia being friendly with him grabbing his hand and asking him to pull down his pants that is a love triangle brewing for the past 33 years like Ulrich, Katharina and Hannah. Also remember the cycle repeats every 33 years. Doris cheats with Agnes, Agnes goes missing leaving Teenage Tronte alone. Tronte cheats with Claudia, Claudia goes missing leaving teenage Regina alone Ulrich cheats on Katharina and then Ulrich goes missing leaving his kids alone. 2) The girl Hannah talks to Helene Albers is Katharina's mom. Remember Hannah is in 1954. In 1987 Katharina is a teenager. So in 1954 we see Katharina's mom getting an abortion as a young kid. 33 years later she is like late 40s early 50s with a teenage Katharina. Also the fact she's having kids that young and aborting them shows she was abused as a child and thus she in turn abuses Katharina as a child. Things repeat every 33 years

Danielle

This is SheeraGPT

User10101

Bruh who would've thought Martha and Jonas are the actual villains in this show and gave birth to the spawn of Satan 😭

Paul-Junior Black

Yeah Martha's son is her Great Grandfather... But genetically Jonas is still her nephew so Jonas's son is his great great grandfather. So its not incest. Its incest squared. Family tree produces yellow chlorphyll and carbon monoxide

Paul-Junior Black

His name would be Nielsen too since Jonas is technically a Nielsen and Martha is actually a Nielsen

Hanno

Hannah really asking "do you think I chose this" when she did 💀💀

mysterioussfox

Brother just look at the WHOLE family tree until S3 E4 in the official website. Y'all brains cooked.

Sinna

Hannah: Do you think I just fuck around? Do you think I chose this? Yes bitch you did! Always fucking someone else's husband, and chose to go back in time, stay there, and fuck on a married man, and when pregnancy happens have the nerve to say "that's impossible."

Argo2Unitard

German kids are vaccinated for polio so she's good.

surkena

You guys should use the dark website if yall aren't already, it shows the family tree and you can set the episode too so you don't get spoilers

surkena

Never mind i hadnt watched the whole thing yet lol

sol jam

I love this episode so much "The way of the heart cannot be explained" everyone loves someone that doesn't love them back, Egons wife Doris is in love with Agnes but Agnes was just honey potting her, Hannah loved Egon but to Egon she was his side piece, Helge mother is into Noah but Noah is obviously in love with Elisabeth and finally of course Jonas and Martha. And I think Agnes as we saw her being sent somewhere for Adam I think to honey pot the trio.

AnnaSama

Ya'll are too hung up on the bracelet. It belonged to Agnes, Tronte's mother. Tronte gives it to Jana and she keeps it forever.

KingMarkoIII

I think yall forgetting that Agnes the woman missing and Egons wife’s lover is trontes mother 😂. It’s ok though it’s getting complicated lol. I understand not wanting to see the chart all the time. But you opened it just now. It should show you an accurate family tree.

KingMarkoIII

He has no name lol. But I get what you mean

Monika Jackson

can't wait to see yall reactions to ep 5

KingMarkoIII

It’s not incest anymore actually 😂. Jonas got with other world Martha. Then birthed a child that then starts off the whole twisted chain of family tree in both worlds .

Kinah

They completely forgot about Agnes🤣 Agnes is Trontes mother. Also Hannah naming Katharina is nuts😭

sol jam

Helene as Katharina's mom being a sickly looking minor here obviously means that she was being heavily abused but also Katharina's age in 1983 means that Helenes abuse continues until she becomes an adult and she probably kept getting abortions until she gave up or it became too dagerous for her and that's when Katharina got born.

Xemnas27

Lmao that discussion was hilarious. Let the royal clappening commence

Xemnas27

Fr Hannah is grimey as hell 💀

Chris Wallace

The guy with the lip scar and the old grey hair version are played by a son and father in real life

Paul-Junior Black

I'm not buying the shows excuse for that to be honest. Genetically Jonas is still Mikkel's son Mikkel is still Ulrich and Katharina's son. So even if they are from different worlds unless their genetic make up is completely different. Thats still incest lol. The show's not gonna worm its way out of that one with me. If their genetic make is different despite all of them being exactly Identical in both worlds then fair

Zanni

Agnes Nielsen is still Tronte’s mom. And now we have finally learned that The Origin is his dad. Unfortunately, Tronte grew up in an abusive home first, before living with his mother. Meanwhile, mama Agnes is one of Adam’s time goon’s💀 (literally shot her own brother on his orders); and The Origin is Eva’s right hand man. Somehow, they both met up to conceive Tronte. This is insane.

Zanni

They revealed Noah’s actual government name in this episode btw. Lmao it easily gets missed😉

DopefIamingo

That is katarina's mom she got the necklace and name katarina from hannah this episode. Where yall getting grandmother from? Agnus is Tronte's mom, how yall pull up the official family tree and still get clapped

A.

They really went back and showed us Katharina's bullying stems from her abusive mother, then went back again to show us that Katharina's mother suffered worse abuse. Generational trauma the show.

A.

Also, either Helene is married at what looks like 12, or she was already an Albers before she married her husband. The incest continues.

Websites

yall badly need to remember agnes

Raymond Terry

Tronte dropped his pants in the open field or woods in front of Claudia. And Jana, the taller black haired girl with the backpack is Ulrich's mom. Start of the season she was pissed about Mads.

Denzelwya

Hannah hate is crazy iike urich don't cheat with everyone

Denzelwya

bro the person that mentioned that char and Ulrich is related made my brain hurt

WackoB

now the guy's lip scar makes sense doesnt it lol result of inbreeding. Also the next episode is gonna blow yalls minds

Samuela Shannon

They are all fried. They all forgot when Ulrich first went back in time and met Tronte as a kid, and he was with Agnes😂 Agnes is Tronte’s mom you guys. Noah’s sister

Samuela Shannon

Bro, the way I was trying to tell them through my phone to look back at the chart they just opened TWICE😭😭🥀

Zanni

Okay STOP trying to predict with your full chest who Hannah’s baby’s gonna be😂 Please. You’ll just confuse yourselves.

Zanni

Fr the Sheeragan’s been struggling the whole show😭

KingMarkoIII

That’s not the argument I’m fighting nor is the show condoning it. Because idk if you realized by now but everyone is related in this show someway or the other forward and backward. Then again that’s also the whole point. Jonas relationship to Mikkel is the least problematic thing right now. Jonas is his own great great something grandfather brother 😂. He caused mikkel to be even born.

Mads

They weren’t in 1953/1954

L1NG

the end is the beginning

dre

yes its called a cleft lip inbreeding could be a cause but its not confirmed to be there could be other causes aswell. but this makes sense cause its when childrens lips dont develop properly due to the lack of diversity of genes that makes soo much sense now.

Jamaal Ellison

Egon smashing Ulrich's old work?! The poor fool fell in love with Hannah this is probably the first time I've ever felt sorry for the guy. What a miserable life this poor guy has lived. Hannah showed up, claiming to be Ulrich's wife, then after seeing him decided. No, it's not him, I was mistaken, so Egon sleeps with her?! I'm guessing some time has passed. So this has been going on for a while. When Egon made the remark saying she didn't look good. "She looked pale", and to see a doctor I was pretty certain she was pregnant. Because why not or all the paths Hannah could take in life she'll always take the messiest path.

Jamaal Ellison

Egon's wife shows up to the station asking for an update on her missing girlfriend she was having an affair with and he's probably trying to find her in Ernest. She still has small traces of pussy essence on her breath, and he actually feels guilty for cheating on her when she's been eating box for months behind his back.

blizzity

"they be time jumping and sleeping around, and they get pregnant with this person who's born 20 years later, who's their grandparent of themself" y'all finally get it!! (couldn't've worded it better myself).

A.

If you look at the tree, 2 Agnes Nielsens hooked up with him to make 2 Trontes.

A.

Tbf to Hannah, she's like 49. Pregnancy does seem unlikely.

briana

Y'all are on point. This family tree is messed up. The Nielsen family is a family with no beginning. Helene being pregnant that young in that time period points to something terrible happening to her and she seemed comfortable at that abortion place so that could be why she's so angry and abusive later in life.

Zay C.

Peak

A.A

Y'all going to watch the new bear stand-alone episode

Zay C.

Crazy family tree. If that baby is Trontes father then Agnes took his last name since hers is Nielson. Not kahnwald

Bria A.

Insane series of words to string together.

Bria A.

Eh, I have the opposite opinion. A Jonas/Martha kid would truly be the only thing that defies all timelines and universes and would explain why he coexists with all versions of himself at the same time?

Bria A.

Hannah ("Katharina") got the saint necklace, Katharina's mom got the saint necklace, Jonas/Martha find the saint necklace buried in 2019... what's the deal with this damn necklace lmao (Written at the beginning of the episode, for context lol)

User10101

I just realized Katharina's name could've been Hannah 😭

sol jam

I read on reddit that it's hinted that it was her uncle that was abusing her and is probably Katharina's father and we do see him in season 2, the shepherd that was shown when birds fall in the first few episodes

TeddyBearBonfire

I don't know if it quite clicked for you guys that Helene gets the idea for Katharina's name from Hannah using the name, initially to make it easier to access Ulrich in the 50s, and then just sticking with the lie. Katharina is essentially named after Hannah posing as a Katharina.

Bria A.

I wrote this at the beginning of the episode, I can connect the dots now lmao

Phonzi

“For Charlotte”

Noah Angkotta

Roshi’s brain is so fried he said that is it for episode 5😂 can’t wait for them to finish this show!

L S

Honestly with this and From at the same time, we got to get Lost at some point, it would probably be like snowfall where it may not get the most clicks but the real community is there. Lost is literally the founding father of modern television drama and you can find traces of that show in everything significant from breaking bad to dark to AOT and so on. Its obviously not without its flaws but it also has strengths that surpass some of these "best shows" ever like breaking bad vs lost when it comes to soundtrack is like coughing baby vs nuclear bomb. And again lost came a good bit before something like Breaking Bad let alone Dark and especially with Dark it couldnt be more on the nose where they got their inspiration from. Also quite frankly the characters in lost are so much more sympathetic than in this show, Dark is really watched for the plot but its not a show where when people die you really care at least in most instances, cause theres little to no emotional investment happening.

Magnis

that girl is definitely katharina’s mom but she definitely had that abortion and probably got pregnant again later down the line and unknowingly named her after her biggest opp

Stale Breast Milk

The audacity of Hannah to lament about the unfairness of the world when she repeatedly covets and pursuits the husbands of other women

Murphy

hanno is noah fliped

Murphy

It is Katharina's mother and that also means that the name of Katarina is also a paradox.

Bria A.

Okay my hot take is that Hannah's kid might be the girl who we have only so far seen in 2053 (I forget which date exactly, but she's only ever shown up post-apocalypse), because she's like the literal only character whose background or family or even name (?) is unaccounted for at this point. Which version of Hannah and which kid, I could not fucking tell you lmao The time triad guy, on the other hand, has to be something truly insane like a Jonas/Martha interuniverse child or whatever as stated, since in his own words he was never given a name and that feels like the only explanation.

Esteban

Naming your op it’s crazy 💀

blud

I can't believe I missed the Odendorf part bro roshi nice catch!! and Yes, that guy is Jonas and Martha's son and yes he is Tronte's dad, Ulrich's grandpa and Martha'a Great grandpa. Tronte's mom is Agnes Nielson who is Noah's Sister and Hanno Taubar is Noah's real name. Agnes in the previous episode killed Noah in front of Adam. Also that bracelet isn't that important, its only significance was that Jana was holding it in the future lying on the bed. That NECKLACE tho ya'll should be focusing on 😭

Nick

I don't know how they clapped themselves at the end. We already know who Tronte's mom is. It's Agnes, Noah's sister, and the woman that Doris fell in love with.

Tae

Dude why am i watching all these kids have sex like TELL ME WHAT THE ORIGIN IS DANGIT!

Tae

Wait this is weird.

Roberto

Since yall drop two in one day, yall should try to drop one at lunch time and the other at dinner so i have something good to watch lmao

s

lmao

Bria A.

I think you're genuinely and honestly making this much more complicated than it needs to be. All the narrative cues point to it (the camera switching to him after Jonas and Martha initially kiss, the entire end scene, the significance of them panning to the Adam and Eva portraits immediately before showing him again, him working for his mother in the first place) and it has been outright said. There's only four episodes left. While the *plot* may bait and switch, I don't think this specific point will. Ruins the (deserved, in this case) shock value. And that's also the point of it. He's NOT Adam and Eva's child. He is the child of a Jonas who won't become Adam and a Martha who won't (at least if I'm following correctly) become Eva. He isn't a mirror reality child. He isn't meant to exist, really.

J2OD

Noah’s real name is a spoiler! Why everyone is dropping it so casually in the comments?

Karabo

okay season 3 setup complete now it's just peak from here until the end

Karabo

you are asking some good questions this show will reward you for thinking and following along just be patient

Bria A.

Because the information was just revealed in this episode? It's no longer a spoiler. Unfortunately some people will probably look at the comments before watching, but... that's not any commenters' fault, to be perfectly honest lol

J2OD

I finished the episode and I didn’t hear his name. Where was that? Because Martha didn’t say his name + why would I comment before watching the video?

Divinerights

Depends on how you define origin vs how the show is ultimately using it

A.

Katharina was 15 in 1986, so she was born almost 20 years after the abortion scene.

J2OD

Where??? I even googled it and it said that they were giving hits only but they revealed it at episode 7

Zanni

At around 10 minutes in, Doris Tiedemann shows Egon a newspaper clipping that identifies the town's missing minister as Hanno Tauber. She then shows him the photo of Noah. Doris also finds a handkerchief embroidered with the initials "HT" among Agnes's laundry, which she links to the missing pastor.

Dallas

Pretty sure Claudia’s mom says it to Egon when inquiring about Agnes.

Dallas

yeah at 9:52

J2OD

Omg!!!! This is actually insane i never noticed it!

Websites

id def agree that lost is a must-watch for mystery lovers and inspired alot of similar shows in the last 2 decades

Websites

dw the next 4 episodes are gonna be the best tv of your life with alot of answers

dexota

Honestly my brain been clocked out, im just here for the ride

Bria A.

Doris says it and it's also in the newspaper article! Also I didn't mean you specifically, I just meant people who read comments in advance and get mad at the shared information when the information was given in the episode

Jacob Livingston

Man sheera and Lupa agree to any and every thought or theory no matter what it is 😂 they just go w it w/o any thought into it. That man roshi is LOCKED IN

Jacob Livingston

Y’all need to have the spoiler free family tree pulled up sp y’all can know who everybody Is in the past and future so y’all aren’t confused.

camille

Wait so dark Martha and our Jonas have a baby, which is the one going around clapping everyone (the origin). Then the origin has a baby with Agnes, who we now know is Tronte. Tronte then has Ulrich, and Ulrich has Mikkel who is also Jonas dad. So that means Jonas is Ulrich’s great grandad while also being his grandson? Nah i gotta finish this to see how the hell this ends.

Zanni

Nah stop my brain hurts😭

Zacost

So Jonas he’s his own great great great father and Martha her own great great mother

YUKI✩₊˚.⋆☾

Jonas in Adam’s world and Martha in Eva’s world are counterparts, but Ulrich and Katharina in Eva’s world did not produce that Jonas. They produced a different person entirely. a version of Martha’s family line native to that world. The Jonas we follow literally has no birth event in Eva’s world. He was never conceived there. and this is me trying to lowball it for you because the truth of the matter is that your take is extremely shallow when actually thought about. we are talking about two completely different realities here. you could exist on plane A and another you exist on plane B, are your guys genetics the same simply because you both exist? or could you have come about the exact same way even though your set of parents are completely different? you both still exist. but you two are biologically NOT the same. thats linear thinking and sir...this is DARK. bootstrap paradox for the win.

Ren

Just now catching up on the reactions. I think the bracelet was in the caves in season 1 (it might be season 2) The red string was tied to it when Jonas was down there searching for the time travel door

DsWorldd •

34:52 Noah being charlottes father isn’t even the main reason why tronte couldnt be his son, Agnes and him are literally brother and sister wth did yall forget😭

Ayanda Mpofu

The triplet theme and the Noah theme are my two favorites bro 😄.

Derpin

Family "tree" so screwed up even Targaryens thinking it's a bit much.

Holls Flynnigan

1:00:20 “this family tree is so cooked” 😂😂

Euphemia Isobel

And Hannah taking the name Katharina Nielsen is the origin of the Nielsen name, she gives birth to Silja who gives birth Agnes who takes her grandmothers maiden name and gives birth to Tronte then Ulrich etc etc

Euphemia Isobel

And Agnes took the name Nielsen from her grandmother's maiden name because Hannah was going as Katharina Nielsen, so the entire Nielsen name and tree is a paradox

Preston N

Agnes is trontes mom or ulrichs grandma. The origin is trontes dad which means jonas is his own great grandfather...