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The Avatar and the Fire Lord | ATLA Book 3 Ep 6 (Patreon)

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nickhaze
>>95913270

I'm late to reply, but while this theory is super interesting, Sozin already had expansion in mind before the volcanoes erupted, remember? He invaded and colonized earth kingdom land before his friendship with Roku ended. And, he also mentioned that the Fire Nation was living a life of peace and prosperity, and used the excuse of "sharing it with the world". His want to expand and invade was probably more about resources and imperialism. And his entire motivation after Roku was gone was to kill the next Avatar, thats why he hit the Air Nation first.

Michael Pamon
>>95913270

You’re overthinking it. Sozin also had plans of expansion and domination of the Fire Nation long before that volcano erupted. He only took so long because of Roku. Once Roku was dead, he accelerated his plans.

Tibbers

I just have one question, who snitched? I think that Sozin had spies in the air temples that worked with him way before Aang was born, they must be the ones who taught the firebenders how to tame flying bisons and who the Avatar was, cause how you gonna know the avatar escaped if you killed all air nomads? You would just assume the avatar died among them, it's crazy I rewatched this show 5 times and this is the first time I think about it LOL

Tibbers
>>111793029

And not only the airtemples, they had spies in the southern water tribe as well, it's interesting that we don't hear of any spies in the earth kingdom tho

Mollywopper

Lupa calling zuko a fucking idiot while also completely missing the point is god tier irony lmao

Naledi Biyela

I love that they didn't make Roku and Sozin's conflict so simple, he wasn't instantly jealous of him and he seemed to be a decent prince. But it's clear that Roku's time away from the Fire Nation served him well, because he learned the value of all the nations. While Sozin got a biased Fire Nation education, seeing them as threats and rivals. It reminds me of Moses and Rameses...Rameses didn't belong to himself anymore, his every action dictated the legacy of his reign, which he was insecure about. Moses also belonged to God's cause and saving his own people. It's such good writing, where you understand both sides.

Clarke Smith
>>130805561

Sozin did not get a biased Fire Nation education. He was the one who CREATED and PROMULGATED the ideology within his nation, that the Fire Nation needed to share their "prosperity" with the world, thus creating an education and propaganda of the Fire Nation's might and will.

Naledi Biyela
>>130805561

That's interesting, but there was always tension and conflict between the four nations before Sozin's time. And especially in the Fire Nation cause they're modeled after Imperial Japan, there's hierarchy in everything. Saving face and maintaining dignity and honour meant they always felt superior to the other nations and prided themselves on being the most advanced. Weakness was not tolerated, even in women. And if you note they're the only nation with women in the military or as prison guards.

Clarke Smith

There was always tension, but remember, Sozin was the one who started the war. Sozin and Roku grew up together, and Roku left when he was 16, which means from the age 0-16, we can see that there's no biased fire nation education or propaganda. When Roku came back and had his wedding, Sozin told Roku in secret that they should share their prosperity, which also means that nobody else knew about him wanting to start a war. One thing you got wrong is that only the Fire Nation's military was modeled after Imperial Japan, but the architecture, clothing, culture of the nation outside military were all Chinese. Correct, they felt superior, but that was only because of one man's desire to conquer the world, and coincidentally, that one man was the Fire Lord (Sozin).

Roku
>>43725083

Ik this thread is years old now but I wanted to point something out. Sozin had to wait 12 years because the comet didn't come until then. If they were attacking the air temples at all angles beforehand, then why would the air nomads even order Aang to be sent to the eastern air temple away from Gyatso to finish his Avatar training? There wouldn't have been an eastern air temple to go to if Aang's temple was the last one to be invaded. Meaning the full siege had to have been sometime after Aang ran away

Clarke Smith
>>130805561

There was always tension, but remember, Sozin was the one who started the war. Sozin and Roku grew up together, and Roku left when he was 16, which means from the age 0-16, we can see that there's no biased fire nation education or propaganda. When Roku came back and had his wedding, Sozin told Roku in secret that they should share their prosperity, which also means that nobody else knew about him wanting to start a war. One thing you got wrong is that only the Fire Nation's military was modeled after Imperial Japan, but the architecture, clothing, culture of the nation outside military were all Chinese. Correct, they felt superior, but that was only because of one man's desire to conquer the world, and coincidentally, that one man was the Fire Lord (Sozin).

Thomas

The comet was atleast 12 years after Roku his death because when Aang was 12 there where other airbenders.

Diego Zenhäusern
>>94598837

I'd definitely agree that you can say that the avatar basically disapeared twice when he was needed. Once as Roku when he would have been needed to prevent the sart of the war and once as Aaang when he would have been needed to end it before it got completely out of control (though it is questionable whether Aaang would have been able to without training in all 4 elements)

James Pagel
>>111793029

Well it was enough time for aang to age to 12 so he probably guessed that he left when no fire nation soilder said that the avatar was there cause the avatar state is still a thing it would have activated even then

CAM

Having toph ask that at the end and seeing her again in korra🥲

Jdogzero Silverblade
>>147776725

nope. the comet came way before aang was born. he tried to wipe out all the air nomads before the avatar was born into it thus breaking the cycle. so roku was still very much alive. he used it to wipe out the air nomads which started the war. roku died soon after. most likely from old age. tho I doubt volcanic ash is good for someone almost 100 years old XD.

Pedro

YES, my favorite episode!!!!!

Anthony Catsup

Sheera is right. The comet genocide happened after Aang left. He even said to Katara in the storm episode that the fire nation attacked his people after he left and he wasn’t able to help them. Sozin wanted to take him out before he became a fully trained Avatar but he didn’t know Aang already left due to his own personal reasons

Kurumi

damn 9 year old me was just amazed at seeing dragons not even caring about the 200 IQ parallels the creator worked so hard on lmao

Marcus Brandon

One of the best episodes fills in info everyone watching and Sheeran is right after aang left that next day I believe was the comet which the fire Lord use to start the war the air nomads were the first strike

Trenton

The thing with the avatar disappearing is that the people of the world had no idea how Roki died. But they all knew of him, so when Sozin was on his bullshit they assumed he simply disappeared when in reality he died. Then obviously Aang was found 100 years later. So no Aang isn’t the Avatar that disappeared to the world because the world hasn’t even established him as the avatar yet.

Shado

I never noticed the friday night funk beat in the beginning background...dope!!!

Yolo Samurai

Roku didn't vanish. People knew he died, so the intro is talking about Aang. I can definitely see the parallels of it coming from the Roku's side, but I don't think that was the intention of the writers.

Demarquise Wimley

Not gonna lie I loved that discussion you guys had at the end it made me notice things🔥🤙🏽

Cilla W

Been lurking around here. Think I'll add my piece. Aang is the Avatar that disappeared. They've mentioned this many times throughout the series. Think back to season 1 episode "The Storm" where the old man accused Aang of turning his back on the world because he was gone for 100 years. It was no secret that Avatar Roku was dead. Otherwise, everyone would be surprised at discovering that the Avatar is an airbender. However, everyone knew this already. In episode 1 when Katara and Sokka found Aang, Katara asked him if he knew who the Avatar was since he himself was an airbender. Everytime Aang revealed himself to be an airbender, everyone immediately knew he was the Avatar. No one is questioning what happened to Roku. Plus the monks told Aang they knew he was the Avatar from a series of toys he picked out. They wouldn't have been looking for who the Avatar was unless they had already known Roku was dead. Then of course as we know Aang ran away, the Fire Nation attacked the Air Temples with the help of the comet in hopes to kill the new Avatar.

Mten10th

Aang is the Avatar that disappeared. Aang was born the day Roku died. We know he wasn't frozen until he was 12, and we also know he knew nothing about the war. So in the 12 years between Roku's death and Aang freezing himself, of course the world knew Roku was dead. Do you not remember all the people who lived on the island with him and saw him die? Also, how did Aang go from being a baby to immediately being 12 and frozen if Sozin used the comet right away?

pachomius njolai

Sheera is always right as usual.Lmao Roshi always trying not to agree. Great reaction

Eric Eno-Ibanga

Sozen started the war right after Roku died (Aang was born), but it wasn't a serious case yet. It was when the war started getting really heated that they wanted to start training Aang early at 12 (the Avatear training usually starts at 18) so he can stop Roku eventually. but THEN Aang ran away and THEN the Comet came so Sozen folded the air nation. So it was Aang who disappeared cuz everyone was expecting an Avatar to eventually show up save them from the War that's been happening.

Mten10th
>>37095868

So all the people that lived with Roku on that island forgot they saw him die?

Courtland Griffith

Just go back to the episode when Aang sees his master dead body with a bunch of fire Nation solders, the attack happened after Aang disappeared.

YaBoyRoshi

Damn yall in here ganging up on me I see how it is 😂🏃🏾‍♂️🚪

Rcl
>>37095868

Nah they knew Roku was dead and the next avatar was an air nomad

Senjioh

I have been waiting for this episode, this is one of the best episodes in the show and now you guys know why.

Haileab Fishastion

One of the best episodes/plot twists. It’s so interesting to watch this as an adult and reanalyze everything

Father Feugo

The Avatar is born right after the previous one dies. Fire Lord Sozin, took some time to plan and awaited for the comet. Which was approximately 12 years when Aang would be announced as the Avatar. After the fact, Sozin set out to the air temples and wiped out each one using Sozins comet. Aang had already left by this time and soon after Sozin attacked the temples. Then Aang froze himself, and because Sozin realized the cycle did not continue, he figured he was still in hiding which is why he set out to look for him for years. Which is also the reaon he looked in the water tribes first because after air would be a waterbender. (wink wink)

Tbdovan
>>37095868

The intro literally talks about aang lol. Aang was announced as the avatar at 12. The war became serious 100 years from that point. That's why katara says to him you've been gone for 100 years. Not 112 years. 100 years. The did not attack the temple until Sozin's comet arrived that's why aang got to have a mild childhood. It was explained in the Storm episode. The Air Nomads at the temple he was at were attacked after aang had left. They spent years searching for the temples.

Trenton
>>37095868

Did they show the people watching him die or are you just assuming. And in the opening it literally shows Roku vanishing when Katara says the avatar disappeared, which means they thought it was roku that disappeared

Lalisa Truong
>>37095868

They knew Roku died. Katara even said at the beginning of the show that some people believed that the Avatar was never reborn into the Air Nomads and that the cycle was broken. The Fire Sages were also eagerly awaiting for the next Avatar but he never came (because Aang ran away and was frozen for 100 years).

BeesKnees
>>37096348

I realized I never even noticed the parallel with the dragons and that dream Zuko had.

Trenton
>>37095868

The show literallyyyy shows Roku himself vanishing, they might have figured he was dead after but I’m just going off of what I’ve seen from what the show gives us. Idk why ppl are acting like I’m just making this up

Domi

I see both sides tbh. The world didn't know that Avatar Roku died, hince the "he vanished" - but it was assumed that if he WAS dead, the next avatar would be an Air Nomad, so that's what ppl were searching for. Cause, remember, Aang had JUST learned about his identity before he disappeared, so I doubt people knew of his existence/Roku's death beforehand. So, imo they're BOTH the "missing Avatar".

Mr. Toastman

As I'm thinking about it, it is kind of confusing which one they are referring to by "vanished", but I think Sheera made it make sense.

Davon Thomas
>>37096350

Aang wasn't supposed to be announced as the Avatar until he was 16? The Elders had to tell him early because of the Fire Nation started making moves

Davon Thomas
>>37096544

Pretty sure news of the Avatar dying was already made public, considering the Elders at the air temple were monitoring for the avatar since aang was born. Then you take into account the comet didn't arrive until 12 years later and that's when the fire nation made their big move to really kick the 100 year war into action.

JoeDurtay

None of you are technically wrong since aang and roku are the same person...

Mr. Toastman
>>37095868

Part of them showing Roku vanishing is because he was the last known avatar. Nobody knew of Aang's existence, they just knew he existed. The fact that the new avatar was an Air Nomad was widely known to everybody.

Lalisa Truong
>>37095868

Actually now that I think about it, I think you're right. At the same time though, I can see how it could be interpreted the other way as well. Or both Roku and Aang could be the Avatar that vanished, because in a way, they both did vanish to the world.

Tarmari
>>37096544

Exactly. Both can be interpreted as the missing avatar and the avatar that disappears in the opening is literally roku so they both make sense.

Domi
>>37096544

It's possible that maybe the elders at the Southern Airtemple knew, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world was automatically aware of Roku's death. PLUS, the Nomads suspected Aang after conducting a "toy test" which means he could've easily been 8/9/10 yrs old by the time they realized he could be Roku's reincarnation. Plus, as we've seen throughout this series, news doesn't travel that fast in this world.

Craig Stanley

Just here to point out that in a roundabout way, Aang is Zoku's great grandfather.

SakuraBlossom

Roshi is right. "When the world needed him most, he vanished" is referring to Avatar Roku. Even in the opening title, it literally shows Roku bending the elements then vanishing. The world didn't know that Roku was dead neither did they know about Aang being the Avatar at all. They just saw Sozin making moves towards war and were wondering where Roku was to come stop him. They knew that he was "gone" and IF he were dead, then the new Avatar would be an air nomad. Because he was so young, Aang being the avatar was kept a complete secret by the air nomads until the present time period in the show. He was supposed to publicly take on the mantle of "Avatar" and stand against Sozin but he ran away before that could happen. Of course, modern people of the world assume the Avatar is an air nomad because at this point, 100 years after the fact, everyone assumes that Roku must be dead by now due to old age, so they're looking for an Airbender to be the avatar but, back then, they were still expecting Roku. Truthfully, stopping the war should have never been Aang's responsibility, but he's left cleaning up after Roku's mistake. The comet came 9 months after Aang ran away from the Air Temple and froze himself in ice. It comes every hundred years and it's coming again at the end of summer, 9 months after Aang woke up.

Jerry Ferrell

Just realized that Roku says it was “bitter work” after mastering earth bending which is the name of the episode where Aang starts his earthbending training

Varun Narayanswamy
>>37096350

I think it's important to mention as well that people probably new that Roku died. Sozin probably made a statement about it and i'm sure his wife and neighbors and what not new as well.

Kelsey Brown

The next Avatar is born RIGHT after the last one dies. It just takes time to discover who they are. The only thing that is certain is the order in which they are born to each nation. Fire, Air, Water, then Earth. Since we know the Avatar is born right after the last one dies and Aang was 12 when the fire nation used Sozen's Comet to destroy the air nomads, we can deduce that the comet came 12 years after Roku died. Everyone just assumed that since all of the air benders perished, the avatar must have been with them. Which is why Zuko was searching for the avatar near the southern water tribe. After Aang, the next avatar would be born in the water nation. But since they were never confirmed everyone just assumed that the water nation was hiding them. That also explains why Zuko expected to find an old man at the beginning of the show. Since he thought the last avatar, Aang, died 100 years ago. Hopefully that clears things up. Sorry for the long post.

SakuraBlossom
>>37096544

Davon, they could have been monitoring out of sheer suspicion. Roku hadn't been seen in a while, so it makes sense that they would be just looking out to see if the avatar was reborn, "just in case." That doesn't mean that the world knew that Roku was dead or that it was public knowledge.

Brenda

I think when they say “the avatar vanished” they mean it as the entity. So they’re not necessarily referring to Aang or Roku specifically, they’re just referring to the AVATAR. Does that make sense? Idk lmao loved the video!!!!

SakuraBlossom
>>37095941

Why are you all so certain that Roku's death was public knowledge? In the OP, they show Roku bending the elements then vanishing. If it were referring to Aang, then why would they show Roku instead?

Shamar
>>37095056

Aang would have died otherwise trying to protect his people and the world. It just wasn’t his time, I believe It was a divine reason why he was frozen for that long.

SakuraBlossom
>>37095868

Y'all are just making up facts now. Aang was NOT "announced" as avatar at 12 otherwise Sozin would have known who Aang was and which air temple. Sozin did not know the avatar's identity which is why he went overkill with the genocide and wiped them all out.

Yolo Samurai
>>37095941

Because people knew what Roku looked like. The only people who knew Aang was the avatar were the air nomads who dies out.

L

Roshi what the fuck is wrong with you??? lmao I thought you figured out that they were talking about Aang long ago. They are specifically talking about Aang. Everyone knows that Roku died on the Volcano Island and they were specifically looking for Aang who disappeared.

SakuraBlossom
>>37095941

The world only knew that Roku "vanished" and that IF he was dead, the new avatar would be an air nomad. Obviously after 100 years everyone assumes that the new avatar is an air nomad because Roku, if not killed, would have died from old age by now. But, if we're talking about the people back then, there is no reason to believe that the world knew about Roku's death.

SakuraBlossom
>>37096139

Obviously everyone assumes the avatar is an airbender because Roku, if not killed before, would be dead by now of old age and the next avatar in the cycle would be an air nomad. The fire nation knew and attacked because Sozin knew and acted on that knowledge, not necessarily because it was public knowledge.

Yolo Samurai
>>37095941

Thats just semantics you are using to try and jimmy your point in. There would be no reason to look for the Avatar if the world didn't already know Roku was dead. If your point was true, they why didn't they start looking for the Avatar in the water tribe next? If the world knows that the Air nomads were wiped out, then you would think they would look for the Avatar in the next cycle which would be water or the world would be looking for Avatar Roku specifically, but they didn't. They were looking for an Air nomad because they knew the Avatar cycle would be air after Roku's death.

Devin B

Sozin's comet appears every 100 years so its safe to assume that Sozin went with his plan to wipe out the air temples during the same year that Aang froze himself, probably a couple of months after assuming Aang woke up around the same date he froze himself

SakuraBlossom
>>37095941

You need to chill. What are you even talking about? Obviously the Fire Nation kept looking for the next Avatar among the air nomads because Sozin witnessed the death of Roku and acted on that information. That does not mean that it was public knowledge. Sozin knew and commanded his army according to his knowledge. That does NOT mean that the world knew. Obviously, with Roku making no appearance, and the world finding no new avatar among the Water Tribe or Earth Kingdom during the war, the logical assumption would be that Roku was gone and the avatar ceased to exist or he might be "gone" and the next Avatar was still alive and an airbender. They could easily come to all of those conclusions without it being public knowledge that Roku was dead.

itzsheera
>>37097489

I could agree with this point as well. It doesn’t honestly matter in the grand scheme of things 😂

Yolo Samurai
>>37095941

I'm pretty chill my guy. It's pretty simple really. The world looked for an air nomad because they knew Roku was dead. They didn't look for the avatar in the water tribes because they knew the cycle didn't restart again because Aang wasn't dead, he vanished.

SakuraBlossom
>>37095941

The world looked for Roku. Which is why they referenced and showed Roku specifically in the intro and him "vanishing". There's legitimately no other reason to show him. The air nomads looking for the reborn avatar among the babies could have easily been due to mere suspicions of Roku's death. It is a complete assumption that they did that because of public knowledge that Roku was dead.

Nyah Catus

Sheera be hitting everyone with them facts lol

Yolo Samurai
>>37095941

Yes there is, they show Rooku because Roku is the last FULLY REALIZED Avatar. The Air nomads knew of Aang's reincarnation because of the Avatar temples.

HollowedSlayer

This honestly shows how gifted Aang is, mastering the elements over such a short period as opposed to previous Avatars mastering over years of training.

jesse almonte

I actually cant wait for these uploads, Avatar is by far my favorite series here and we aint even in the real shit yet

Rogeran Stern

Sozen started his March on nation's the next day after the death of Roku, didn't atk the air temples yet, doubt they had the tanks yet nor the power now he folded all air nomads because next one is an air bender did this when the comet came ramp up his power. OK, most ppl knew that roku was dead, didn't how he died doh if they did he wouldn't have needed to tell anng what had happened, it would have been known publicly, avatar is a worldly matter. For the cycle it's air, water, earth, fire, rinse and repeat. Sozin great tactician again use the comet power to folded all air nomads at the same time so no could escape but Aang wasn't there to begin he knew that because the avatar didn't reincarnate into water tribe. If you don't remember much just re-watch key episodes. No need for guessing assumptions it's all in data books all over online, remember only reason why the whole war started is because roku died, the avatar can folded any nations army when he's master all four elements and the avatar state. Also Remember he gets a power up from the comet as well. First time Roku and Aang met he said it was is fault right that Aang his clean up his mess. Probably other things left out but mhmm, opening is taking about both avatar doh mostly Aang obviously both still both.

Rogeran Stern
>>37098698

Aang is a powerful bender obviously but he didn't master anything but air at the time.

Rogeran Stern

Well the discussion is over weather or not the op is about Roku = goku lol or Aang, it's both roku died on island completely covered in harden lava other than sozen and the islanders no one knew he died at the time, and sozen set his war plans in motion the next day, at that time there was no avatar to help anyone because anng is still a baby, now he's 12 anng and the war is escalating, early announcement your the avatar but remember there is a war going so yes everyone soul knew the next avatar is a Airbender but because of the war the air sages told no one who he was. But sozen didn't ramap up the war until the comet came, because remember through all the 3 books aang add friends all over the world even fire Nation, so the war probably was just starting out with small territory companies and the summer when aang was 12 the comet came and couple days before that or months who knows without actual time stamps, anng ran off and sozen folded ppl after the fact.

PS

OMG this guy calling Zuko dense when this guy couldn't understand Reincarnation

PST3
>>37095941

Roku's death was public knowledge his family got out and would have told everyone, otherwise Zuko would not be born

PST3
>>37096139

Wrong RottenRowan the the Air Temple leaders knew Aang was the avatar long before they told him. So they knew Roku was dead.

George
>>37100072

Aww sorry that someone insulted your best friend zuko

Assimilater

You guys got into a strange argument at the end there lol

Hoodlum JoeBro

Sheera’s correct. Sozin attacked after Aang fled. The whole ‘world needed him most, he vanished’ is for Aang. It can be for Roku too, but it’s intentionally about Aang. Buuuuuut, I’m so sad we’re nearing the episode 10 😭 Everything from then on is pretty much serious business 😭 I’m so hyped!!!

Hoodlum JoeBro
>>37100753

I know right lmao But Sheera being correct was funny enough 😂 Also, dig that pic. Rui gang 😂

Assimilater
>>37100753

Rui Gang! I mean none of them were really wrong they were just getting hung up on semantics I think lol

Assimilater
>>37099427

The war didn't start until Sozin launched his first strike against the air nomads. Remember the monks said "There are troubling signs. Storm clouds are gathering." I don't think whether it was referring to aang or roku is really critical personally lol. The point is there was no avatar to stop the war

Rogeran Stern
>>37099427

Yeah I did say they weren't any avatar to stop and if was there it would have died as stated.

Warsame
>>37095941

bro katara even said that people thought the cycle was broken and that the avatar wasnt reborn into the nomads this shows they knew roku was dead. people knew roku was dead but had no idea which nomad was the avatar. It was 12 years after roku died that the war began and most avatar are publicly confirmed when theyre 16 or so the monks said this too. You think people wouldnt notice Roku was missing for 12 years? then theyd say the avatar was missing for 112 not 100 which is what they do say

Belt Cedd

Thing I liked most about this episode was that we got to see what Avatar training is supposed to look like. Traveling the world and learning the elements for years instead of months. Poor Aang. 🤣

Joel Braaten

Great episode, and a nice discussion at the end.

James Woodson III
>>37096253

Its all good Roshi 😂 though for me I never really looked at it as Roku or Aang being gone. I pictured it more like the entity of the Avatar vanished from the world when they were needed. Though if I had to pick one they were referring to I believe it was Roku

berto lee
>>37098698

CONTAINS SPOILER!!! I am 100% sure Roku will destroy the current fire lord even during the sozin comet without going into the Avatar state. Aang hasn't mastered the other 3 elements 100% fully yet, that's why he needed the avatar state in the finale to defeat the fire lord.

Hbitz

im thinkin the blue and red were forshadowing the decision he made at the end of season 2, legit picking between azula and iroh since that was the two dragons voices, though I guess its the same foundation of this decision too

Abraham
>>37096657

Yeah but Roku could’ve have prevented it if he just ended Sozin or never wasted his time on that volcano and Aang would’ve probably been killed even tho he was an Airbending prodigy so...

Cilla W
>>37096139

@RottedRowan So what you're saying is for at least 12 years (since that's how old Aang was before he ran off) no one knew Roku was dead, not even the Air Nomads? So, the inhabits of the island that got demolished by the volcanic eruption and Roku's family just was living life pretending he was still alive and told no one?

Sidney Louis

i think that after roku died, sozen continued his plan to conquer like he had already did to an earth kingdom town. during that time aang was already born and just living his life as a normal kid for 12 years and then when aang realized he was the avatar he ran away and got himself frozen and thats when sozen used the comet's power to wipe out the air temples. during those 12 years, i dont think that the majority of the world knew that roku had died so when sozen started to conquer, the world thought that roku had vanished because he didnt stop it. i think that people just blame aang because he's the "avatar" and when people see aang, the "avatar" they just say where were you 100 years ago when the war started but really it's because roku wasn't there to stop sozen back then to stop the war. there's nothing that aang couldve done at his age to do anything if he didnt run away, he'd probably die like eveyone else.

Rubix

The world doesn't know about the details of how and when Roku died, judging by the gang's reactions when Aang explains. One of the Avatar's roles were to keep peace between nations but when the Fire Nation attacked he never appeared. 'He vanished', as in, there was no news of what exactly happened to Avatar Roku, neither was there news of another Avatar. So during the 100 years the world believed that the Avatar was... gone. Sozin, who knew everything, wanted to be absolute sure that the Avatar was dead since it was his greatest threat and spent the rest of his life looking for him just to be sure. If you remember the full intro in the first episode of Avatar, Katara says "Some believe that the Avatar was never reborn into the Air Nomads and the cycle is broken. But I haven't lost hope. I still believe that somehow, the Avatar will return to save the world"

tee_saw
>>37096214

I thought Sozin started the war when the comet arrived like Azula said: "He famously waited for the comet...". I don't think there was a war when Aang was with Gyasto 100 years ago.

Cablemonkey

One of the best episodes, probably THE best without a major fight (if you don’t count stopping the eruption as a fight). Getting more hyped every day as we get closer to the end. Also, the most we’ve heard of Iroh’s new voice actor.

Cablemonkey

Speaking of voice actors, there’s a cool voice cameo coming up in a few episodes from a celebrity avatar fan :)

Arsean Wilbon

The intro says when the world needed him most he vanished and it’s roku who vanished. Anng would have probably died had he been around for the attack on the air temples.

Anonymous

I always love how deep this show goes!

Alrick Campbell

When the world needed the AVATAR most, he vanished. I think they were just referring to the avatar in general- During the comet, during the attack at the air temple, during the entire conquest of the fire nation. Remember when one avatar dies, the other one is born. However, since Aang was frozen, he was out of comission. This led people to think the avatar died during the raid of the air temples and that the avatar cycle had ceased since for 100 years, there was no incarnation of the avatar. Roku was missing during the initial fire nation invasion and Aang was missing during the 100 year conquest of the fire nation.

Kamau Catching

Wow this comment section be lit. I got to start voicing my opinion more lol. The reality is Aang is the Avatar that disappeared and it's fairly obvious. I don't want to rehash the argument but the only reason I think they had Roku on the intro is because he was the last fully reyalized Avatar, they wouldn't have been able to showcase an avatars power with an avatar that wasn't fully realize so that's why they chose Roku for the intro. While I'm sure there COULD (the show gives no evidence of this) have been some confusion among other nations or people not in the know about Roku's death... It definitely was widely known and it wasn't a secret. If Iroh that Roku was zuko's great-grandfather then Ursa knew he was her grandfather. Every Nation takes 16 years to tell the avatar they are the avatar so Sozin would have assumed he had at least 16 years so the comet coming in 12 is no issue and would help with the invasion of the world.

Daffy Ducc

Its goes Water, Earth, Fire, Air Hence why the next Avatar Korra was Water. Conquest began after Roku died and it wasn't that bad, until the comet struck, and after all the destruction (mainly the genocide), a real war with the other nations began. After the Comet struck they began conquering the world. The Air nomad temple were the first places they went because they knew it was the next element in the cycle, so the Fire Nation attacked them On the day of with intent to kill the Avatar a younging, thus the Air Nomad genocide happened. Aang was the missing Avatar, because he was never found.. Which stopped no-one from defending the constant Fire Nation raids for 100 years.

SugahSpice

I'm spending 70 dollars on Patreon and your really the only people I'm enjoying ..thank ya'll for these reactions!

Andy-SauceGod

Can’t wait for the next drop 😂👌

Ken Morris

Book 1 Ep 4 The Warriors of Kyoshi. Suki: "The last avatar was an airbender that disappeared a hundred years ago."

Chris D. Jones

Roshi was having a moment there at the end it’s ok champ happens to the best of us

Bona Fide

hey roshi it's bona fide from youtube! meant it when i said fuck it lol patreon time xD. bouta catch up now

Andrew Rojas
>>37096214

The war started after Aang disappeared. Thats why in the first episode Aang never heard of the “100 year war”

Andrew Rojas
>>37097061

1. Since we know the war was 100 years old and Aang was frozen right before it, he was gone for 100 years. 2. Dying of old age is irrelevant 3. How would everyone know that the Avatar vanished for 100 years, specifically, if it wasn’t public knowledge that the next Avatar was an Air Nomad. I think you’re looking way too deep into that intro when really Katara never mentioned Roku at all, just the Avatar. Roku is shown cuz, yes he was the last known fully formed avatar, still they knew it was an air avatar.

Andrew Rojas
>>37098875

The war is 100 years old meaning it started around the same time Aang was frozen. So it started WITH the airbender attack after Aang left.

Anonymous

How Roku "vanished" but his entire town saw him 1v1 the volcano? You already know Sozin went back to the city like "yea bro died valiantly nothing i coulda done" lol. Aang is the Avatar who nobody found.

SakuraBlossom
>>37097061

1. How does that prove anything? When the war was starting, people naturally wondered where the Avatar, their peacekeeper, was. They wouldn't have any need to look for the Avatar before then. "For 100 years" is referring to the length of the war more than the absence of Aang specifically. 2. Dying of old age isn't irrelevant just because you say it is. 3. This just harkens back to point number 1. They know the Avatar has been gone for about 100 years because when war came he was nowhere to be found. The statement has nothing to do with Aang specifically and doesn't "prove" that they knew that Roku was dead. Your rebuttals are based on sheer conjecture and assumptions and you're waving away undeniable visible evidence in the intro simply because it doesn't fit the narrative you support.

Austin Yun
>>37160996

Now you get to twirl your mustache and flex on the peasants like the rest of us

KM

I get chills everytime Iroh tells Zuko who his other great grandfather is, even after seeing this at least 6 times. I love this show. It's always weird going back to season 1 after season 3; it's so much more light-hearted and childish (but not in a bad way).

Droh

This is really interesting how it really feels like an anime as I binge it, but it definitely didn't feel like it growing up. Idk if it's bc of all the Nickelodeon bs that surrounded it or just the fact that I'm binging it, but I'm being surprised with the Gaang's progress just like them 🤯

Jono Lauwers
>>37147086

That's amazing wtf. I never knew there was a Cycle between the Elements for the next avatars.

Heliopath

HxH and Konosuba today?

Griff

Tophs line asking about friendships always gets me man, damn

Therion
>>37095056

What I always didn't understand is, what would Sozin gain by killing Aang back then? Avatar would just reborn into Water tribe..

Anthony

I’m so ready for the new uploads I refresh every five seconds

Austin D

I think we can all agree that if every episode until the end of the season was uploaded right now, we would all drop everything to watch every reaction in a row.

Anthoz

does anyone know their upload schedule for avatar? (im new here haha)

Therion
>>37097090

@Jerry Ferrell: The way Roku's earthbending teacher laughs in that flashback is very reminiscent of Toph's victorious laugh. Then at the end she asks: "Do you really believe friendships can last over lifetimes?" ... Maybe little hint that reincarnation doesn't include just the Avatar, but that all people have their past lives..

Dominick Sermeno
>>37268567

That's essentially what I did, when one of the more recent Youtube episodes [Blue Spirit] made a Book 3 reference [The Headband] in the jokes of the video. I saw that and was like "Oh they are THAT far ahead thats an instant sub!"

Lion_A

Bruh 4 days, when's the next uploads? .....

Nicholas Haughton

Am I the only one refreshing every 5 minutes lmao?

Sean Bragg

Check back everyday just waiting to see the next episodes, this show and y’all reactions are just too good🙌🏻

aqualite
>>37326877

Why don't you guys just subscribe to email notifications. Saves your time.

Reign

Not gonna lie I forgot all about zuko being related to avatar roku technically making him related to Ang in general. Shiit forgot all about that shit.

Geno

Think back to the Fortune Teller where Aang battled that volcano, and he WON. They were foreshadowing that Aang would redeem Roku way back in Season 1.

Clides Santiago

The war happened after aang disappeared due to the fact that when he came out of the ice and had no idea about the war. Since we know sozin used the comet to start the war it must have happened after. So it refers to aang since he wasn’t there during the war. As far as sozin searching for the avatar the rest of his life it’s possible since he didn’t know the avatar was aang there’s no way to prove that destroying the temples meant he was dead so he believed he was out there.

Liam D

It was Aang who disappeared. He ran away and got frozen just before the war started, hence the “when the world needed him most”. He wasn’t there to try to stop the war.

Munir
>>37667208

Well it's possible a lot of the world didn't even know Roku died so they just think he dipped.

Quintel Glasgow

I can't believe what Toph said at the end about friendships transcending lifetimes became a call back in Korra.

Santos Chavez
>>37547521

I've heard a theory thrown around that the reason Sozin knew the Avatar wasn't dead was because Sozin expected some kind of power display (aka the Avatar State) from him during the attack-- probably the main reason he brought a whole powered up army. We know that a non fully-realized Avatar can trigger it on emotion alone, not just in self defense, so had Aang been there during the attack, he'd have probably glown up when he saw all his people being slaughtered before his eyes, which of course would have signaled Sozin and his troops as to who the Avatar was. That's what I think he expected to see, but of course that didn't happen at all so he had a hunch it was because the Avatar wasn't there somehow, or managed to slip away.

Ambros
>>38667445

Well not just that “being the avatar doesn’t hurt your chances with the ladies” Wink wink at a certain girl

rayman

Old vid but I wanted to add I don't think Sozin was the one who even used the comet. It was the next Firelord after him that used its power and named it in honor of Sozin who started the whole Fire Empire expansion.

goldenratiolvl

Breh Roku and Aang disappeared. It's a double entendre. When we needed Roku, he vanished. When we needed Aang, he vanished. Bruuuuuuh.

Ben H
>>39316648

Nah it was Sozin. He harnessed its power and then it was renamed after him

NIKSEEN

Sozin did his genozide shit after Aang disappeared, so the intro's about him. No one thought Roku "disappeared" - there were hundreds of people watching him die in the volcano fires. At the point of Sozin's mass murders Roku had been dead for more than 12 years. Nobody expected that dude to be alive again. Avatars dying and being reborn had been happening for generations at that point but one getting uncovered at the age of 12 and then suddenly disappearing, nowhere to be found, was completely exceptional.

Albino

Just coming back here to say what the others said. The Air Nomads didn't have some secret avatar for 12 years, people knew he was the one. The avatar has been a constant presence in this world for thousands of years, so while the average person may not be saying "aang vanished", they mean that The Avatar vanished.

John

Lol y'all had a full blown debate for afterthought for a change the. Comments got y'all

cade-carter
>>40083424

only the air nomads knew it was aang tho. Everyone else just knew it was an airbender

Fabbrizio Calamitous

The reason it's confusing is because the intro animation shows us Roku vanishing, so even though the narration doesn't say it was Roku vanishing, that's the image we're left with. And it makes sense, because it's an abbreviation of the pilot intro, where we hadn't met Aang yet. It was Aang that vanished, and everyone knew the Air Nomads had the next Avatar, but the world hadn't met Aang yet. Roku was the last Avatar anyone knew by name. The wording is also meant to imply that everyone thought the Airbenders were all dead, meaning people probably thought the new Avatar had also died, and were waiting for a Water Tribe Avatar to be born (remember how Yue's dad said the Fire Nation uniforms were 85 years old?) Long story short nobody knew enough to know what the fuck was going on with the Avatar at all.

Casey Scheffler
>>40703930

That's sort of right but in the first episode the intro said that people thought that the new avatar never had a chance to be born into the air nomads so the avatar cycle had been broken. Because the avatar never did show up in the water tribe most of the world believed the avatar just didn't exist anymore. But Sozin knew when Roku had died (something most of the world didn't know about) so he knew the avatar was already been born into the air nomads, and so he and the fire nation kept looking for the avatar.

Larry Vos

This might've been mentioned already but the reason this is one of my favorite episodes is because of the details. At the beginning when they show young sozin and roku fighting, Sozin comes in to save him from tripping over the tree branch only to drop him and let him fall anyway. Just like what he did to Roku during the volcano. And when they show the scenes of Iroh and Zuko at the end, they show it as if Zuko is always the one behind bars. I always appreciated the use of his scar as symbolism for him but it was always overt. The subtlety in how the portray things here is what makes this show such a masterpiece

SupremeCai

Sheera not only the prediction god she's also noticing shit I never have in my ~10 watches. The blue/red dragon related to Sozin/Roku is so obvious but slipped by me and so many others, this show never stops giving I swear

S A Bertram

There are plausible arguments on both sides, but the thing is that “when the world needed him most” isn’t specific enough to pinpoint the exact time. If it was, we can then attribute it to Roku or Aang. As a couple have pointed out, “The Avatar” isn’t one specific person so in many respects it can be both Roku and Aang from a big picture perspective. Also, in a made up story pretty much anything is plausible. Could the people have spread word of Roku’s death? Yes. Could Sozin have captured and/or created a gag order to prevent the knowledge from spreading? Yes as well. We just don’t have enough information to definitively know one way or the other without rationalizing to justify our personal viewpoints.

S A Bertram

Big picture aside, “vanished” is from the perspective of the world, so the question would be who is the Avatar from the world’s perspective. The cause for this debate is that in the intro, which was at the very beginning of the show, it’s clear that it is referring to Roku. But now after they have fleshed out the story and we know exactly how Roku died, it is no longer clear as Roku’s death had witnesses. We just don’t know for sure who was the Avatar in the world’s eyes were to specifically say it was Roku or Aang.

S A Bertram

And finally, when we first read the title of this episode I bet we first thought that “The Avatar” was referring to Aang. Yet, it was referring to Roku. Just goes to show that unless you know the complete context, “The Avatar” can’t be limited to just one person.

Lt Miller

Sozin was on som manifest destiny type ish! Sound familiar?

Lt Miller

He waited at least 12 years after Roku died because Aang was 12 when they attacked.

Creed
>>43725083

nah they were attacking all the air temples in every direction. aangs air temple just happened to be the last one.

Lt Miller
>>43725083

@Creed that's not true and you have no basis for that comment or proof. He said he attacked the air temples when the comet came, which doesn't even last a full day. Plus it doesn't take 12 years to attack all the temples. Nothing supports your response.

L Jeans
>>43725083

Nah, Creed is right. In the extended lore they say Sozin had been waging war on the air temples for a while. When the comet came he used it to mostly finish them off. He didn't wait 12 years to start the war.

Frederick

🐐 tier episode

Chaeyoung's gf
>>37096213

“As usual” LMAOO right ?? She is always right but her husband always tryna disagree for no reason

Susana Canales
>>43725083

That doesn’t make sense. If he really attacked all the temples, how did Aang visit the other temples? It took them 12 years to reach aang’s temple and none of them knew what was going on? For 12 years? I don’t think so. In the episode it literally says he waited for the comet to take down the air nomads. And also, why wait until Aang was 12 to tell him if he’s the avatar? why not start right away when they knew early on he was the avatar? Also, I don’t remember who but one of the monks in Aang’s flashback in The Storm said they sensed dark times ahead, meaning the fire nation, not that dark times were already here, which would mean they already attacked.

Susana Canales

Also, the dragons don’t just represent both sides of Zuko’s ancestry, but the two major influences on his life. Remember Iroh was the red dragon and Azula was the blue dragon. I thought it was intense that, more than his father, his sister was his biggest influence. She represented Fire Lord Sozin and Iroh represented Avatar Roku. Crazy.

Michael McCarthy

Well you actually can figure out when Sozin wiped out the Air Nomads. Taking into account that the Comet shows up every 100 years and it's going to be here by the end of the year and Aang was frozen for 100 years. That means Sozin attacked the temples a year after Aang was frozen.

Natasha Padparadscha
>>47569064

Bruh. And in that year when the world was probably in shambles because the Avatar disappeared, and there was mass panic, the fire nation took their chance and took advantage of the chaos and wiped them out. Fuck

SquirtleBob

With the beginning credits saying 'when the world needed him (the avatar) most, he vanished, it can apply to both Roku and Aang. Roku because when he died, the world needed him when Sozin started the war and when Aang disappeared, the world needed him during the 100 years he was frozen.

Cameron
>>39840627

The intro clearly shows Roku "vanishing". It's meant for both of them.

Eric Demo

Roku's earthbending teacher was actually the original design for what became Toph. They decided to make the character more unique then used the first version as Roku's teacher later. Imagine if Toph was never in the show...

HopelesslyImmersed

I think Roshi had it right. Roku was the one that vanished. I'm guessing the fire nation wiped away any information regarding Roku's death. Sozin must have waited and built his forces until new information came from the air nomads finding the new Avatar, and thats when he launched his attack on the Air Temples. Thats why he sounded so desperate on his last testament, he wanted to kill the new Avatar before the next comet came so that his victory was absolute.

Devon Joseph
>>61207377

Doesn't make sense because the world needed him most when Sozin's comet came which was around the time Aang left and the fire nation attacked his home. I'm sure the people from his village would've spread word that he died fighting the volcano. Also, I'm sure people are used to waiting 16 years for a new Avatar to resurface. Fire Nation couldn't have suppressed the truth for 16 (12) Years while Roku was just MIA. He was also old so I'm sure most people would've assumed he died and the next avatar had been born. After like 18-20 years and the start of the war I'm sure the legend of the avatar disappearing would've spread.

Anthony Longoria

Idk if they figured it out in a later episode but it was Roku who disappeared, in the intro it's Roku who literally disappears when Katara is talking about it. No one but a handful of air nomads knew that Aang was the Avatar. Sozin basically covered up letting Roku die, my guess is because having the Avatar from your own nation against wouldn't be great for moral

Anthony Longoria
>>43725083

They normally wait until they're 16 probably due to maturity and to give them time to master/learn their base element. Aang just happened to be something of a master and it was Gyatso who kept them from pushing Aang faster which is why they were going to separate them. For the 12 years after Roku's death Sozin built his army, then used the comet to attack the temples and the other nations getting the war started. The temples weren't being attacked they just became aware of the Fire nations growing military("Storm clouds are gathering"). And using the comet did most of the damage but they didn't actually all of the nomads right off the bat

Michael Pamon
>>61207377

Nah Sozin KNEW the next Avatar would be an airbender. He says so in the final few minutes of the episode. The cycle of the Avatar is pretty common knowledge in this universe I think.

Allusive Panda

So by vanishing I believe it means both disappearing (Aang) and dying(Roku) and that’s how I always understood it. When the world needed the avatar most Roku died, and then when the fire nation attacked later and the world was in trouble again Aang disappeared.

Allusive Panda
>>61207377

And we saw in a previous ep that they twisted the history of them attacking the air nomads as a “war”. I truly believe they covered up Roku’s death making everyone believe he vanished. Since Sozin knew he was dead he attacked the air nomads since that would be the next avatar in the cycle. At that time since Roku was missing and the air nomads wiped out and no news from the water tribes about a new avatar, all of this lead to ppl believing that the cycle was broken 🤷🏻‍♀️

Alellion
>>64231394

No, my guy, lol. It's Aang. Roku's death wasn't all that unexpected at all, dude was old af. The world knows that the avatar reincarnates upon death, and at that point Roku had already been dead for 12+ years. Everyone was well aware that the next avatar was about to be chosen again, and that's the expectation that was betrayed, due to Aang's 100 yr. chill sesh.

Thomas_Stilinski
>>64231394

there's a comment that i agree with in saying it could be referring to both roku and aang vanishing

Devon Joseph
>>65138272

I just wanna say, this is what it would've been like if Roku was killed in the Avatar State. 100 years without the Avatar is why ATLA was so brutal. Also Korra fucking up the Avatar cycle is such a big deal.

HybridEclpse

I don't know if someone mentioned this already, but. Anyone ever notices how the next Avatar looks similar to the past Avatar's loved one. For example, Young Aang looks similar to Roku's wife, and Korra looks similar to Katara. So if that's true, the Avatar after Korra would possibly resemble Asami.

Jay

"when the world needed the avatar most, he vanished" -- they're talking about aang, bc roku was dead, everyone knew he died, so as aang was being raised sozin was preparing war probably taking out villages closest, then as aang found out he was the avatar and disappeared Sozin was able to go all out which is when the world needed "aang" most bc things just got real

ok
>>37098698

their mastery in the bending over the four elements is not comparable at this point.

Michael Pamon

I’m watching this more than two years after you uploaded it and I just realized…..Roku and Iroh PLANNED this. Remember, Iroh is able to journey to the spirit world. He probably met up with Roku’s spirit and they made plans for both Aang and Zuko to learn about each other’s pasts at the same time. It’s too much of a coincidence that they learned about Roku and Sozin’s friendship and rivalry at the same time.

damein brown

Remember episode 12, The Storm. The monks said they usually wait until 16 to unveil the next avatar; remember, Roku was revealed at Sozin's birthday party. The monks said they feared war was upon them, that is why Anag was told at 12 years old that he was the Avatar. Only the monks at that time at the Southern Air temple knew the identity of the Avatar. The Fire Nation has no clue. Sozin was still waiting on the comet, and Anag was already frozen when the comet came, and Sozin attacked. Sozin had already started the attack on the other nations but dealt a deadly blow with the comet. So when the world needed the Avatar the most, he vanished. Anag was frozen when Sozin attacked, and no one knew the avatar's identity after Roku died but the monks. They were all wipeout

The Force

Necro post: I never considered it was one specific Avatar, Roku or Aang, that people referred to "disappearing". The show is referencing Aang, obviously, cause the stories about him. However the *story* is speaking about THE Avatar, Roku OR Aang, ONE of them should have been around, they needed *the Avatar*. Not Aang or Roku specifically. Also I'm not sure that Aang would have been able to stop the fire nation. If he hadn't fled he'd be in the Air Temples, with nothing but his Air bending, and an uncontrollable Avatar state at a very young age. There's a very real chance that, with the full might of the Fire Nation backed by Sozins comet, they woulda folded him IN the Avatar state and ended the cycle, and even if they didn't, there's an even more real chance Aang woulda been clapped in the attack anyway and then the Fire Nation would have more time to hunt down and find the Avatar in the water nation. All told, I think it was fortunate/destined that Aang would go down for 100 years so he was hidden.

Julius

Doesn’t Ozen sound like Scarecrow from Arkham Knight?

Koria Hayes

Never really thought about this before, and maybe I've been watching too many Pompeii and Krakatoa documentaries, but does anyone think that the Fire Nation became more desperate to expand because it was getting a little inhospitable in the Fire Nation after those two volcanoes erupted. They had never experienced an eruption of this magnitude before and it could be felt from miles and miles away. The aftermath, including storms and drops in temperatures and temporary blockage of the sun could have been possible. This guy went from taking his sweet time through his life, going from Earth Kingdom city to city over the course of decades to taking over whole pieces of continents in years. The comet was probably the first good source of firepower they'd had in decades. Southern Air Temple would have been the best place to hit, since it was the furthest away from the blast without hitting the Southern Water Tribe (who was loving the colder, more icy weather) and still warm enough to have resources. Could just be overthinking it though xD Just saying, like Gyatso said "storm clouds are gathering" Also, I like the nod to Toph in this about friendships transcending more than one lifetime =^~^=