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Dororo Ep 12 (Patreon)

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2022-04-13 01:41:58
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damn Tahomaru, you were the chosen one!

nekomonogatari dropping in a couple hours

Comments

DBG

Peaky Blinders?

TimmSchmimm

I know it's off topic but does anyone know if Lupas reaction to JoJo's (the rest of part 3, part 4 and part 5) will be uploaded or did anything happen like the recordings were lost/corrupted etc.?

関口信玄

Yeah he's a dick, but it's really not so simple as "he's evil." He has a shit way of going about things, but you also have a shit 2-dimensional outlook of things lol. He's given in to desperation, cuz his land is fucked up. I mean, if things were SOOOO easy like you THINK they are, that they could just move, I'm pretty sure they would've done so. Old era thinking was way different than our modern day thinking. For the record, not justifying the man sacrificing his son, just saying his thought process isn't as simple as "he's an evil dude, because he's evil." And you kept saying "he's awful" in response to the wrong lines. It literally sounded like you're saying he's awful for wanting his land to prosper, rather than being awful for wanting to kill his own son. Even moreso astounding is your misinterpretation and sudden dismissal of Tahomaru. Like you saw he's a good dude. But he's the type that believes in the prosperity of a larger group of ppl than a single person, even if it's his brother. They touched on the "sacrifice the few to save the many" back in Fate/Zero. Not saying it's right, and Tahomaru even said he didn't agree with what his father did. He literally said that, but y'all ignored it because of what he ultimately chose to do, as if nothing he ever said or did up until now even mattered lol.

Nicole Guerrero

Was waiting for this, now my night has gotten better 😌

Marko
>>81803926

I hope they don't out of spite, y'all niggas need to learn to chill

DjinnBae

@yaboyroshi You cant just move in those days with most surrounding areas already being territories/land of other lords.

DjinnBae

Daigo either fks over the people of his domain or fk over his family

slipHAZARD
>>81804463

lol totally agree. To be fair though Roshi and the crew ain't really known for their "nuanced" takes. Especially Sheera & Lupa. I mean looks at Lupas reaction to Arcane 1x3, for 10-15 minutes he's literally yelling at a character to throw a bomb, literally up to the second when the character throws it. And after they do he immediately switches to "why would you throw the bomb!?" and then resorts to calling the character "trash" for the rest of the series. Because of that one action that he was hoping the character would do. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Devin B

This situation is messed up but it's really putting the needs of the many over the needs of one person. Tahomaru grew up with the people around him and actually have a connection with them so even though he's picking them over his own brother I don't blame him since he barely has any bond with Hyakkimaru.

Harry Tobin

I mean its his brother but hes spoken like one sentence and may as well be a stranger

Ally

I was really sad about Tahomaru going after Hyakkimaru, but the thing is that now the evil is already done, and an entire domain just for one person was the thing that they also had do think about... All the morality, etc. I understood both sides because, at this point, Tahomaru will be the Lord, and he has to protect his people. Different from his father, he really cares for the domain and is not just ambitious being powerful on those lands.

slipHAZARD

No lie I 💯 side with Tahomaru. I'm not sacrificing my entire village and it's people for some random dude i've barely met. Like yeah it sucks what happened to you bro but I ain't about to let a bunch of innocent people that had nothing to do with it die and suffer so you can get back a couple fingers.

Argo2Unitard

The ability to just get up and move somewhere better is a privilege of modern first world society. Even today it's not a thing people can do in many parts of the world.

Patrick Bolin
>>81804463

he didn't make the deal for his land, he made it to fulfill his ambitions, which he couldn't do if his territory was shit. He said so in the first episode I believe. He made the deal selfishly.

Shawn M Fredericks

I side with Hyakkimaru 100 percent he owes those people nothing

Dune

Daigo is just a product of the times. Seems like as a ruler back in those days your land and your people were worth any sacrifice you had to make. I'm sure he realizes how fucked but he bore no attachment to a child he hadn't even met compared to his land and his people which he deeply loves.

faded
>>81804463

Awful is awful, don’t care for what reason and Tahomaru’s a bitch. Deserved getting his eye sliced.

slipHAZARD
>>81805791

Yeah so some dude comes into your house and says "I need an operation, sell your house and your shit. If you don't I'm just gonna take it" you'd just let him? And you think Tahomaru is the bitch?

Occasionallykook

Regardless of who you agree with, the fact remains that Hyakkimaru losing his limbs was not part of the natural order while Diago's lands suffering was. If the only way for your land to prosper and your ambitions to flourish was demonic intervention, maybe, just maybe, it wasn't meant to be.

thespiral

GOATED reaction like always. But can you guys please put Kekkai Sensen in a poll?

Sun
>>81804463

Why am I not surprised that it's you typing this? lmao

Terry King Jr

I don't give a FUCK how many people it's gonna save I'm not about lay down and die just because you said so, fuck that, ESPECIALLY after all the hell I've been through. Word to Eren Yeager.

Pyne
>>81808224

Kekkai Sensen that GAS gas, one of Studio Bones bets works in terms of animation

DatKid_Kaneki

idk why u guys choosing sides LMFAO both brothers right in a sense of their own. One wants his body parts because he didnt deserved to be sacrificed and the other wants his land and ppl to prosper and he’ll do what needs to be done in order for the land to continue to prosper more. theres no right or wrong side pimps u arguing for no reason

WackySwacky

The lords only have rights to certain lands. If they tried to move they would be moving into another lord's lands and that would cause a war. So basically those are the only lands available to them, and they have to deal with what they got.

DxShadow
>>81805791

and hyakkimaru was just as innocent. Most of Daigo's people are assholes. They're legit pillagers and killers.

Scott Riley Adrueno
>>81804463

Nah, Daigo is a selfish ruler. His ambitions outweigh anything in his life. It's just that he can't achieve those without the support of the people, and the best way to gain support is to provide prosperous land.

Trinares

Nekomonogatari waiting room

Dexter Blessed

Actually the thing about the plan to move to another land is that Japan doesn't have a lot of land. The country is too mountainous, so even if Daigo's people move to another land, they would have to fight another domain in order to gain that land

AlexV_9
>>81808186

It is the Trolley problem, the thing is that even if it was part of the natural order, if you know that you have a solution for the problem and you do nothing, you are complicit in the problem. If you know that someone killed someone and you don't say anything, you are an accomplice to the murder.

AlexV_9
>>81809823

ok, but if to save you and all your loved ones someone unknown to you has to die; what would you do? kill that person who doesn't want to sacrifice himself for you? Or would you let that person live at the expense of you and yours? I bet your answer would be hypocritical.

Occasionallykook
>>81808186

A solution to a problem that creates another problem is not a solution, and I would say tying my family's and my lands fate to that of capricious demons that demand human sacrifice would qualify as a problem. Nothing last forever, especially good fortune, one has to wonder what they would demand for an extension.

Dan
>>81805791

i mean its not like hes some random guy, they the ones who mutilated him to have the nice house and riches etc so eys sell that shit

Jose
>>81805791

They might be right but hyakkimaru is going to be right as well when he slices their a** up lol

Dan
>>81803926

no, i agree with marko lmao tired of seeing "peaky blinders?" every other comment on every single damn video....

Dan
>>81813221

yeah i was thinking that too, it wasnt that simple to just move back then, especially if you were poor. You would likely end up like the slaves at the stone quarry or something similar. fodder for war like we saw with the soup line etc. basically a death sentence

Skebaba

Basically the total green rather than the passive white represents Divine (as only Divine can be truly Good by alignment, rather than ambiguous white like humans are), since it's an icon and all, I guess the mom's praying to it all these years must have given it a fraction of the presence of w/e deity it's denoting

Skebaba
>>81810110

Ay lmao maybe your ancestor's ass shouldn't have annoyed the Shogun/Emperor, whichever was in charge of land allocations at the time, to have gotten the shittiest piece of land (obviously the best ones went to their most loyal/most OP followers at the time)

Skebaba
>>81810037

There is, tho. They could have literally sacrificed the cunt obviously evil dad's body to the demons, no? GG izi that's the only Good & Proper choice for all sides

Skebaba
>>81809823

Sure, but then I'd acknowledge the fact that I might lose my right to live if the person in question retaliates by clapping me & all of my family to death as a consequence

Argo2Unitard
>>81805791

Some dude whose wallet you stole, ran over with your car, and left to die comes to your house demanding you pay for his severed limbs and you say "nah, imma finish the job" does make you a bitch.

Raymundo Sealey
>>81805791

The situation is more so, I rob a someone of all his money & now me and my family are living off the money I stole. Now the guy who I robbed returns to take his money back but if he does so my family & I will starve. It’s a messed up situation for daigo’s people but i side with hyakkimaru

Precious

I wonder why the father even trusted Demons anyways, from the beginning I was thinking "these are literal demons, such cruel creatures, why would you trust them?" anyways, I noticed everyone picking sides but it's just not that simple,, it's war, this is what happens with war

Dude559

This need of the many bullcrap. If that my bro then i helpl him. Fuck all these other fucko's

Arknightoni
>>81806131

Who wouldn't? You could side with Daigo all you want but you definitely can't be mad at Hyakkimaru fighting for a normal life/body that was stripped from him before he was even conscious. And you know what if he really wanted the job finished properly he should've took out Hyakkimaru himself instead of leaving it to a older woman that was going to pity and allow him to survive. He basically asked for that shit to come back and bite him

slipHAZARD
>>81823395

In the first ep he tells the priest inside the shrine that they've prayed to Buddha many times and received no answer nor help. So he basically figured "If Buddha won't help us maybe the demons will"

slipHAZARD
>>81825671

so a bro you literally just met yesterday over an entire village that you've grown with, fought to protect and spent you're whole life in.... 🤦‍♂️

2Ker

Tahomaru got fucked in life, caught between a rock and a hard place. I don't blame him.

Erica Collins

This whole situation suck because I see both sides. Yes Diago made the deal for selfish reasons but having the land be prosperous just happened to be part of that and thanks to him a lot of people are alive. Also they couldn't move because i'm pretty sure finding land was a hard thing to do during those times and it could've caused uneccessary wars with other people. Although I do agree with "one sacrafice can save many" and the fact that Hyakkimaru's death will save innocent lives. I also agree with Hyakkimaru getting what was stolen from him. I'd be doing the same thing. What happened to him wasn't fair and he deserves what was rightfully his. It's such a complex situation. I'm honestly for both side. When I first watched this, as much as I love Hyakkimaru, I was leaning just a tiny bit towards Tahomaru's side in the end but how can anyone choose a side? I feel like that's impossible. To me it's whoever wins, wins. It's almost like the Thanos situation lmao Also it's been shown that Tahomaru cares a lot about his people so of course he would choose to save them rather than side with his brother, who he just met & doesn't even know lol but at least he isn't like his father and actually knows that what their father did to him was wrong.

Devin B
>>81825671

That's like saying someone who comes to you out of nowhere and he just happens to be your brother asks for one of your kidneys. Idc if he's my biological brother I'm not going to give a stranger a kidney.

EmoBurrito

Lol come on guys its not just about their dads "approval" like he has to think of all the poeople in the land, etc. I know its his brother but he basically has to pick the lesser evil. Either one person/ his brother ( who might as well be a random person to him) or a the whole village/ a bunch of people. And sure at the same time Hyakkimaru doesn't owe them anything. In their point of view they both right. Also its not so easy as just "move" lol XD. Im guessing their not the only domain so them moving to other lands, they would have to fight, etc.

Gabby Boakye-yiadom
>>81810037

Wasn't it the demon's decision to take Hyakkimaru as tribute? If I recall correctly didn't Daigo ask them to name their price whatever it was, so technically that invluded himself if necessary.

Jason Yung
>>81810037

Yea the "wrong" side would be the fathers. Sacrificing a child isnt really self sacrifice when you can just have another. Children are not property and he had no right to offer someone else's life. Sacrifice something of yourself. None of this pay for my fathers sins crap. Its just pride and ego really.

rickie woodson

yeah they all suck. "demons rule". roshi made a great point: just move to a more plentiful land. or work harder????? or make a deal with a GOD you know like a benelvolent force for good since obviously they both exist in this reality, why go to the dark side immediately? gross. and if nothing can be done, the land is just dead and cant grow any thing, time to move on. its like saying in a real life situation "yeah go sell drugs, steal, or borrow from the mob" there are so many other options. when i was homeless i didnt even sleep in a shelter or panhandled or anything. i worked my butt off on my own to get myself out of the system instead of just accepting a bad dealt had. but what do i know, im just living proof that the dark path isnt the only road to walk

rickie woodson
>>81841863

most likely they would have to give up their titles, and with all the fancy clothing and shit they got they could easily barter and just start over as regular folks in a new land but for whatever reason everyone wants to be flossing instead of just being normal

PeachBrune
>>81860641

when the "moving on" option is just starting a war with a neighboring land or Lord, ultimately resulting in the same suffering and lose of life and isnt functionally better than the present circumstances they were in. As for choosing the "good" path and all that, I dont think anybody is arguing that daigo was a good dude, he chose the dark path to fulfill his wishes and prosperity was the result, but theres no good or evil path for the anybody else outside of Daigo. They were all dealing with the consequences of what he did on both sides. as for personal experience, life is more complicated than anime. If it was as simple as kill this dude and all your problems disappear, a lot of people would probably do it sadly lmao. love this anime haha

Son Gokhan

Roshi you guys are like super biased you guys are saying hyakkimarus life is worth more than all their lives and no they can't just move all the land is japan is owned by someone they would have to invade another land and kill all the people

rickie woodson
>>81860641

yeah i see the world as black and white, everything is simple pimple to me. others say "its idealistic" i say "everything starts with an idea. lets put in the work to make it reality". i dont know the full make up of the land and all the politics but i have hope/faith that there could be another way out other than the demon thing. if we are in the north lets go to west, south and east and see who will take us in or find an unclaimed land to make our own. the choice is easy, the work to make it happen THAT is where the hard part comes in, at least thats my view.

Devin B
>>81860641

You gotta remember that they're in a time when neighboring lands are at war with one another. No land is going to take all those people in cause that means more mouths to feed and more resources would be wasted. Also don't forget the demons and ghouls running amok throughout the land that could kill them as they travel. In that time it's too risky to go anywhere else.

Nononanon

Roshi: "Just move somewhere else" lmao

JA

I understand both sides but imagine someone stealing your food, money, house stuff and give it to poor people because he wants them to✌🏽survive✌🏽 like bruh gtfo that’s none of my business

rileya
>>81804463

You talk like what you’re saying is facts but it’s just your opinion too. If things were so awful, he could have tried.. anything but sacrificing an innocent newborn. If it doesn’t work out, that sucks and that’s life. But yeah when you’re in that position I think most people would do bad things to survive. But there is always a choice. Stannis: "What is the life of one bastard boy against an entire kingdom?" Ser Davos: "Everything." Prosperity built off of sacrificing innocents is not one that every person would take.

Diponmychip

It's horrible what they have to do to make there land prosperous but they can't just move and tahomaru doesn't even know his brother. If they just kill all the demons and hyakkimaru gets his body back they won't have anywhere to go there just gonna have to watch everyone they know and love die until they end up dead too.

Paulothy
>>81805885

Yup, and seeing how people receive refugees in modern times, imagine how bad it would have been back then when other lords not only had their hands full with their own issues, but also in a time were people were very superstitious

PeachBrune
>>81860641

idealistic is an understatement lol, in this supposed time period, almost every interaction between neighboring lands was some kind of power play, you were either going to war or going to be taken advantage of by a another lord. Especially in a land full of demons I think its just unrealistic and an extremely anime MC frame of mind that dreaming and believing would be enough to keep your people alive. When you are already with your back against the wall and the people you rule over are dropping dead left and right

Isaac

Roshi, this is the Sengoku Era, you cannot just "move" somewhere else because that would be inciting a guaranteed territorial war and everyone in that village would be killed. And I know you suddenly have the idea of sneaking by, hiding and never getting caught. Wrong, you will be caught and all the innocent men, women, children, infants and babies will be slaughtered with that "just move" idea.

Isaac
>>81823395

Because demons feed off the temptations of man and will most likely answer their prayers while divinities mostly....don't.

Isaac
>>81860641

This is the Sengoku Era. You cannot just "move" somewhere else like that because that is an immediate incite for territorial war where every lord of a land is against eachother and you and everyone with you will be killed on the spot or have y'all not noticed the many DEATHS during these war times happen.

Jaime Ruiz

Im so sick and tired of Dororo, like Hyakimaru already been killing and that hasnt tainted his soul. Let him kill them like god damn man

Jaime Ruiz
>>81830283

It's easy, I'm with Hyakimaru. Idgaf about a bunch of strangers, nor the people willing to sacrifice children for that kind of bs.

Jaime Ruiz
>>81803926

Peaky Blinders is a great show that we know they'll love. Plus final season airing currently so by the time they catch up it should be on a streaming service. Then eventuallythe movie.

Artdysmal

Tbh I can see where Daigo is coming from but there was nothing stopping him from offering up his own life in exchange for prosperity in his domain. Hyakkimaru does not owe daigo or his ppl anything, asking someone to be a matyr for your people because you didn’t have faith in your god is pitiful. Also the whole banmon thing was to show that the ‘good gods were listening’ and that it was acc the mother god holding it up.

Artdysmal

Also to add to my previous post even if you want to hunt down hyakkimaru don’t demonize and portray him as some cut or force of evil when he literally invited fucking demons into his land XD

Da$H IX
>>81804463

Honestly, I couldn't ever fully support Daigo's actions, but I do agree that it most likely was the only choice he had left. Even though, I think letting Hyakkimaru suffer was still a choice he did make, one that he wasn't pressured to do so. What I mean by that is, you've seen the awful condition he was in, at least you could've ended his suffering, which once again isn't a "good" choice, but I think would still be better, than letting him suffer and trying to kill him after the fact. So from this point on, he deserves everything he gets from Hyakkimaru.

Chimpman
>>81860641

Bro, you can't just move in these times. That would cause another war lmao.

Isaac
>>81922117

He can't offer his own life because, as far as we know, he's the only head of the land and it makes zero sense to be a leader, offer your own life for your land to grow, only to have it leaderless and then taken over by a neighboring rival, because they'll know you've died and will make a move. Doubt there was another eligible person to run the land at the time because they never established any other character other than him and of course his sons didn't exist at the time. And no, giving birth to a son, then offering himself would have been a dumb idea because again, people would find out and move in on their land knowing nobody would do a thing about it.

Isaac
>>81810037

@Skebaba, you can't sacrifice the dad's body because if that were the happen then who would run the land? They never established any other capable character, nor were his sons a factor at the time. So if he did and a neighboring lord found out his condition ( and in these war times, they will find out ), then they'd go in with a raid and kill the majority of the people and keep his land.

Isaac

Logic: Have one person suffer and die for the benefit of yourself and other people. Love: Have yourself and everyone else suffer and die to keep one person you care for safe.

Jalen
>>81992604

Fair but you can't be mad when the person that was supposed to die comes back to run that fade xD

Isaac
>>81992604

Trust me, I ain't mad at Daigo's decision. It's a war period, there isn't much he can do, his faith in bhuddah failed. He was dealt a shit hand, his land was destined to fall, so he did something for his and his people's survival. Hyakkimaru is not his son. He is his offspring that he gave to demons that gave what he asked while bhuddah basically said no. People who don't like this choice are people who have the luxury of never needing or being forced to make that type of choice ( closest real world equivilant is abortion ). People who disagree with the sacrifice would make the same choice if they experienced daigo's dilemma and the pressure of leading a dying land. You'd want to defy destiny and do what it takes for you and your people's survival. If these guys ain't with it, then I guess they like watching starving families slowly die and praying to a God that put them on read. Be a slightly different opinion if his land went to shit because of him before he made a deal like pissing off a divinity and they decided to punish him and everyone he governs. Y'all know those GOOD Gods love to punish not just the one guy who pissed them off but everyone else associated with said guy which is bs in of itself.

Isaac
>>81830283

Then you gotta be on team Eren and team Dracula then

Erica Collins
>>81830283

@Isaac Eh not really. I'm not on Eren's or Dracula's side. I can sort of see the correlation with Eren but the difference between him & Hyakkimaru & Tahomaru is that Eren isn't trying to save the majority like Tahomaru & He's killing innocent people unlike Hyakkimaru. Genocide is going too far. & with Dracula he wasn't tryna save anyone or take back what was his lmao he just wanted revenge........ That's nothing similar to what's going on in the show 😂

Erica Collins
>>81919525

Killing has tainted his soul tho lol we literally saw it. He has the same soul as his Dad. It was after he killed humans for the first time. That's what taints his soul. Remember what the old blind man said about Hyakkimaru possibly turning into a demon himself he told Dororo to watch him closely & take care of him or else that will happen. He can't just go around killing whoever he wanted or else he'll lose control & we've seen him do that twice now. Without Dororo who knows what state Hyakkimaru would be in right now

Killjoy
>>81919525

killing has tainted his soul, the old man literally see's the red in his soul because he's killed

Killjoy

I respect tahomaru for the fact that he acknowledges that what his father did is fucked up, but also acknowledging that Hyakimaru's existence will only cause his people to suffer, Hyakimaru got every right to fight for his life, but i don't blame tahomaru in the slightest for the choice he made due to his position in life. I don't see it being wanting his fathers approval, he's making his own decision based on the knowledge he has. Also if daigo was as evil as y'all say he is his soul wouldn't be so white.

saigyohoshi

Tahomaru is my favorite character in the show. I felt like they were setting him up to be a Zuko-like figure who would come around to Hyakki's side, but i think what ends up happening with him for the rest of the show is also really interesting. Can't wait for their reaction to ep 17.

Frith the Storyteller

Roshi is right though, they could have just moved. Daigo would just have had to swear allegiance to another lord if that lord is controlling a larger area, but obviously he doesn't wanna do that. There are so many whole villages and people in this show outside of Diago's lands who are constantly getting displaced by war and ruin. They're surviving and moving, and none of them are sacrificing babies for it either.

ok
>>82167944

Daigo would "just have had to"??? Lmao understatement of the century.

ok

Lupa at 16:08 "wow chill bro he's really still mad about that" about what? That dude contributing to the SLAUGHTER of Mio and the children? Lmao... it's not like it happened 10 years ago or something

ok
>>81803926

I am new to Patreon so maybe I have missed all the incessant Peaky Blinders requests but it's an objectively great request. They would love it. We would love watching it. Fk off lmao

Shawn Oxley

I fw Hyakkimarus mom in this honestly I mean what could she really do? her kid was disfigured and taken just after she gave birth and she was a single frail woman she couldn't stop the demons so she took the only other path which was suffering with him