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/439/ We Can Shape Our Own Environment ft. Ted Nordhaus (Patreon)

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2024-09-19 17:12:46
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2024-09-19 17:16:05
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On "eco-modernism".

Ted Nordhaus, co-founder and executive director of the Breakthrough Institute, talks to Leigh and Alex the 20th anniversary of "The Death of Environmentalism" and the 10th anniversary of "The Ecomodernist Manifesto". We discuss:

The fundamental philosophical differences between "building-out" and "restraint".

Whether industrial policy like the Inflation Reduction Act is in line with the ecomodern approach

Why environmentalism differs in the US versus Western Europe

Why modernisation gets lost in discussions on the environment

What techno-optimism and what techno-fixes are

What the Abundance Agenda is

Links:

The Death of Environmentalism, Breakthrough Institute

An ECOMODERNIST MANIFESTO

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Steve Bowbrick

Great ep. I consider myself at least ecomodernist-adjacent. This transition is going to be a gargantuan reindustrialisation or it's going to fail. This is all going to slowly and tragically dawn on the degrowthers - but also on those who more vaguely think it'll be a greening or a retreat from production of some kind. It'll be hard for them. But isn't this nuclear fixation just out of date? Renewables are coming online faster than anyone expected and now storage is arriving even faster (lithium is plentiful and infinitely recyclable - there's a quarry in Cornwall with 100 million tonnes under it). By the time a substantial nuclear fleet is commissioned, let alone productive, it'll be just another stupid, stranded asset. (I've edited this because it was soooo boring. Main point: I reckon the nuclear fixation is a contrarian affectation. Advancing nuclear is just a 'fuck you' to the greens because you know it irritates them. It's a fabulously expensive cold-war remnant, it requires a military-grade security infrastructure to keep it safe, leaves behind all that famously awkward and expensive-to-deal-with waste and is diverting attention from industrial-scale renewable/storage - and surely it'll be the cost that kills it? Rolls Royce say that they've "got the cost of their SMRs down to GBP1.8Billion each" and it looks like they'll produce electricity at about twice the cost of solar across their lifetimes).