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/439/ We Can Shape Our Own Environment ft. Ted Nordhaus (Patreon)

Published:
2024-09-19 17:11:19
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2024-09-19 17:16:25
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On "eco-modernism".

Ted Nordhaus, co-founder and executive director of the Breakthrough Institute, talks to Leigh and Alex the 20th anniversary of "The Death of Environmentalism" and the 10th anniversary of "The Ecomodernist Manifesto". We discuss:

The fundamental philosophical differences between "building-out" and "restraint".

Whether industrial policy like the Inflation Reduction Act is in line with the ecomodern approach

Why environmentalism differs in the US versus Western Europe

Why modernisation gets lost in discussions on the environment

What techno-optimism and what techno-fixes are

What the Abundance Agenda is

Links:

The Death of Environmentalism, Breakthrough Institute

An ECOMODERNIST MANIFESTO

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Davka Smolah Collective

I've been wondering for a while how we build the "abundance communism" movement.

Ellen Anderson

Wow so promethian. Now you should interview Chris Smaje and Jason Hickle.

Alex

Glad you lot have brought Leigh on board to explore this topic more. I work in conservation, consider myself an environmentalist, but find portions of the eco-modernist manifesto compelling. Unfortunately so much of the online discourse between the two camps consists of smug derision or fatigued dismissal. Would love some genuine dialogue back and forth, if anyone can point me towards any.

jkjkjkj

It was a very interesting episode in terms of generalities but I would love to have a sort of back and forth with specifics from the ecomodernist and degrowther movements because frankly it seems neither side really wants to engage in concrete specifics beyond a few basic truisms and it’s a genuine problem from both ends. I’m very sympathetic to the pro nuclear argument, but there does have to be a point where we ask ourselves how much we can modernize ourselves relative to legitimate supply chain limitations and over consumption. The merits of agribusiness in particular are important because there are genuinely serious disputes to be had over the degree to which the modern global agribusiness model has actually provided a long term solution to global hunger and particularly malnutrition. Large parts of Asia, specifically have seen underwhelming success that goes beyond productive capacity and goes more into the issue of price levels and distribution and the nature of exports/imports, to say nothing of the limits on how much the environment can handle mono cultural agribusiness and environmental drain