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/248/ Aufhebonus Bonus (Patreon)

Published:
2022-03-15 07:01:02
Edited:
2022-04-05 11:02:29
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2026-06
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In which we respond to listener questions & criticisms.

A bumper episode, featuring plenty on Canadian truckers, Swedish populists, ideas of justice, hyperpolitics and much more.

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Davka Smolah Collective

Thanks for putting me right on blast, but you sort of missed my issue. Let's say Britain has a revolution, and revolutionaries are actively struggling but haven't won yet in the rest of the EU. Revolution has not reached China or the USA etc but aspires to: internationalism and all that. Britain currently has an import dependent economy: it exchanges capital and real estate for many of its manufactured and infrastructural needs. Upon revolution, this exchange becomes largely dependent upon the revolutionaries in other countries either winning outright or pressuring their governments. What happens to revolutionary Britain?

dshamz_

Love ya George 😂

Carson H

Thanks for the "engagement," guys. I think your willingness to respond directly to audience criticism is one of the things that keeps this pod interesting and prevents it from becoming an echo chamber. Always enjoy these "mail bag" eps.

dshamz_

I think the question that I was trying to explore with my comment might be better framed as to what extent the PMC is produced by capitalism for the sake of its own management and legitimacy vs to what extent the PMC is parasitical on capitalism. I think you’ve had guests on that articulate both perspectives, but it would be interesting to explore this possible contradiction here more explicitly. Regarding the necessity to rebuild associational networks, I’m not suggesting a return to the past, or to just start bowling together rather than alone (though making an effort might help 😂). Obviously such networks must be formed around common interest if they’re going to be politically relevant to a class politics. Workers might be more alienated today than ever, but to what extent that’s an ideological, psychological consequence of neoliberalism vs a consequence of the political defeat of the trade union or communist political party as an organ of collective workplace and community life is the question. I don’t think it’s impossible to rebuild institutions that can change the opportunity structure in such a way so that working class people would reasonably conclude that collective action is a better means than individual action of securing their overall well-being. The alternative is that we’re all just Laclauians now, individuals uniting here and dispersing there around transient signifiers. Right now in North America, there’s substantial employment in large workplaces that bring together thousands of workers many of whom - contrary to what is often believed - are long-term or permanent employees. There are serious opportunities to build associational, class-based networks here that shouldn’t be ignored.

skipmur

I was the one who made the Alex Jones reference which you very briefly picked up on and had a chuckle about at the very beginning of this episode, which Phil was quick to dismiss with the same kind of attitude and tone which he also seemingly dismissed the concerns of "right wing" populists at the end of the episode when touching back upon the question of the potential for civil war in the US as being motivated by "bizzare tensions and conspiracy theories". This dismissiveness and inability to take the concerns of "right wing working class populists" seriously is in my view a major weakness of the academic and broader left. Instead of asking why these talking points (which aren't inherently "right wing" but it seems that it's only the right wing who engage with them on a serious level) resonate with a significant and important chunk of the working class to a far greater extent than many of their own carefully thought out Marxist appeals, many on the left take this almost smug position that the talk of black helecopters, the deep state viewed as organised crime, pizza parlor noncery, and Bill Gate/Tony Fauci lab developed great reset 'plandemics' should all be dismissed as the ramblings of delusional right wing paranoia. Yet when pressed about what they actually know about these topics and how much independent research they've carried out into these "conspiracies" it's almost always either none at all or some regurgitated easily debunked nonsense from a self styled "fact checking" site which Google or Facebook recommend to them. It seems to me that the fact the left are far most hesitant to engage with these topics in a serious manner demonstrates their actual subconscious subservience towards the power structures which they claim to want to demolish. It is also why the 'right' have a far more broader appeal amongst the disgruntled working classes since they're not afraid to investigate and highlight the most sinister and criminal elements of our ruling elites and use them as a rallying cry to call for radical institutional change and an overthrow of the current corrupt political system. The right are infinitely more effective in their use of propaganda and using it to target power structures and influence actual political realities than the left are in this regard, it's why you see a right wing presence far more visibly at the trucker protests than you do a left wing presence, who were busy lapping up the Covid hysteria and demanding that everyone should be injected with an untested and scientifically nonsensical vaccine developed by objectively corrupt and criminal profit lusting pharmaceutical corporations. Hence why the left should take the so called "paranoid and crazy right wing" far more seriously. Especially during these turbulent times. Lab leaked viruses, vaccine mandates, lockdowns, the erosion of civil liberties, rampant political corruption and cronyism which is more visible than ever, inevitable fuel, energy and food shortages, total economic war against Russia, WW3 potentially on the horizon, when you throw in Klaus Schwab and central bank digital currencies, we're all living in the paranoid world that the so called crackpot right have been screaming about. As a result, my guess is they're going to be far better suited to take advantage of the current chaos than the Marxist left are, who from my point of view, aren't saying or doing anything of any relevance in these unprecedented times. For this reason, despite his extravagance and mainstream social media ban, the likes of Alex Jones and the politicians who engage with the base that pays attention to him are far more serious people than any of their academic Marxist and leftist detractors are. Anecdotally, as evidence from my personal working class social relations, the majority of the political discussions I have or overhear from both politically and non politically minded people are more influenced by these demonised "right wing conspiracy talking points" than anything else. So, back to my original very brief comment I made about Alex Jones in the last video, for all of Vivek Chibber's extremely well thought out and intelligent sounding bluster about Marxist organising tactics and methods for influencing union officials in order to create a working class political movement, with all due respect, it's not difficult to understand why the left is completely irrelevant after listening to any left "organiser" talk for an hour or 2. Listening to a Marxist academic seriously talk about working class organising tactics in this day and age is more bizzare to me than Alex Jones saying that Bill Gates is a literal pot bellied vampire. Chibber could benefit with not taking himself so seriously, that goes for the Marxist left in general.

Van Penner

Thanks for responding to my comment! However, the idea that the truckers somehow paralyzed Ottawa is pretty laughable imo considering there was absolutely no attempt by the state to disperse the movement in any meaningful way until most Provincial governments had already committed to ending the remaining covid restrictions. If anything the movement was purposefully platfomed and presented as a legitimate threat to the Canadian political establishment in order to justify the extension of emergency security protocols. The scale and significance of this movement was pretty clearly inflated by both sides in order to secure their own political ends, the real revolutionary movements in Canada which are actually challenging state violence aren't getting the same media coverage precisely because of their threat to the establishment (mainly Indigenous groups protesting resource extraction projects such as Fairy Creek and Wet'suwet'en).

Ghost Runner

My beef was squarely with Aponte’s Bellows article which is far too sanguine about the working-class potential of the protest. How it translates into anything beyond an expression of valid discontent is dubious.

NigelBOpinion

Good ep and genuine LOL at George's improv comment.

Sensible Captain

The replies to the Trucker Convoy debate in 3 Articles reflect a festival of left-wing entitlement and paternalism. A true Stockholm syndrome ruling class mentality.

Paul Brewer

I quite liked the conversation about the Canadian Truckers, and Phil's idea that we can't wait around for the ideal conditions to create a worker's resistance movement is a cogent point. However, I always think about what befell the Tudeh Party after 1979 as a reminder of the risks in finding strange bedfellows.