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/380/ Josephine's Body Count (Patreon)

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2023-12-12 07:00:05
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2026-06
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On Ridley Scott's Napoleon.

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We couldn't avoid discussing the new biopic about the "world soul" himself, Napoleon Bonaparte. The film isn't great, but what can we learn from it? And how does it sit in a context in which most biopics today are about musicians, business leaders and scientists?

We discuss:

Why did Scott choose to focus on Napoleon's relationship with Josephine?

What is Scott trying to say, if anything, about Napoleon and the Napoleonic wars?

Where are the depictions of youth, revolution and modernity?

Are there any redeeming aspects to the film?

What do we make of Phoenix's portrayal?

Are we seeing the return of films about Great Men of History?

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Andrea

So basically, what I got out of this episode is that Hegel got zapped by the sight of a young Italian riding a French horse at the end of history, prompting him build the philosophy on which Marx continued, and the Bunga Bois got mesmerised by an Italian elderly at the end of the end of history riding... He... I'm curious to see who's gonna be the next marx now.

Jack Barry

I knew what meme you were referencing Alex, it sounds like it was the one redeeming part of the film. Also nice touch with the Gang of Four outro. You guys should do some music at the end of the end of history episodes too, I would get right around that.

NigelBOpinion

Enjoyable ep with a 'year's best' George quip to end it. One recent historical movie you should check out is FREE STATE OF JONES.

Blake

One take I've heard about the film is that Napoleon represents the incel/Trumpist right (hence the opening with Marie Antoinette's execution), but listening to this episode even that little bit of meaning is probably attributing too much to the film.

AntonV

Some film suggestions for episodes: - La Chinoise - Verhoeven episode (From Robocop and Starship Troopers to Zwartboek and Elle) - but maybe he has been a a little bit too often discussed elsewhere already. - RRR and/or Godzilla Minus One - Haneke episode?

Justin O’Connor

Excellent stuff! Great points about the military/ political transformation (and amazing Saint-Just quote). Phil and George I thought were spot on at the end. The comparison surely is not Oppenheimer but Nolan's Batman. The opening framing text (which you didn't;t mention) were pure Gotham. The people were miserable. They had a revolution. They became miserable again. So don't bother. Though Batman had more about him than Napoleon.

Justin O’Connor

Peter Bradshaw said Scott was Wellington, in finally bringing in a film on Napoleon. Cutting him down to size. George (I think) mentioned Succession and this reminds me of the Conor character, who attempts to buy Napoleon's penis. I think Ridley got in there first.