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Drama Mondays | Lemonade Stand - Ep. 33 Premium [AUDIO] (Patreon)

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2025-11-24 18:15:00
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Recorded on November 21st, 2025

IntroChina Trip UpdateRight Wing Streamer DramaDe-platformingWhat Constitutes Platforming?Growing NihilismOptimismUN Climate ConferenceChina and Clean Energy

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Glidergill

Doug's mom spitting facts

finn Stafford

I haven't finished the episode, but I think with Nick Fuentes section there's a few things missed. 1. I think a big part of his appeal is simply he's a disenfranchised white guy. White men in general feel threatened due to the increase in white unemployment and the feeling of being replaced (true or no theres definitely the feeling) 2. His streams aren't the biggest but his clips and actual political influence far outweigh someone like asmond. He shows up to rallies and events and has thousands of people in person who follow him and is in the mainstream political discussions now. His views are most likely unknown by many of his fans who just hear that he wants to bolster white men back to being the #1 big dog. In a world where it feels like everything can get you in trouble even I feel the pull of a dude who doesn't care about the consequences of what he says and I disagree with him on basically every point. All that being said I understand why people (especially the new disenfranchised white men) follow him. The world feels bad and in bad times people are willing to ascribe to more fringe ideologies. There is also truth to the increase in polarization where people who lean conservative are being pushed away from democates and find themselves often being pushed right by the left. Young men have seen right wing clips of white men being made to feel bad for being white, and I know people in my life who have become more extreme because of it. It doesn't even need to be true but they see things like the bus stabbing and something like a white ethno state goes from being Nazi extremism to "well it's maybe racist but it would maybe improve society". Extremism sells and the enshitification of our country is pushing people to the fringes. Loved the pod, I joined as an Atrioc follower but you two crushed it!

IDK

Thanks for the recs man! Found my new favorite streamer /j In all seriousness on the topic of are you platforming someone bad, i think as long as your fair and you provide pushback, its fine. Like I honesty would love to see you guys interview MTG and I do think yall are well equipped to do it and pick her brain. But yeah if you have her a soft ball interview and validated her opinions, that would be bad. Pretending it doesnt exist in feel like only let's a problem fester in the background. Id rather it be faced and challenged head on instead be to big to ignore. You guys are very clearly making it clear Fuentis is bad, and I dont think the idea that any publicity is good publicity, like I walked away from this podcast that this guy is terrible.

IDK

This whole thing reminded me about a video I watch recently by moon channel "Why is K-On! So popular among Nazis?". I think people are just feeling like the world sucks, this guy is a angry white guy at a time when everything sucks, you don't need to agree with a thing he says but if you feel his anger you'll be swept by it. I feel like the only thing that can bring down the temperature is making a better society for young people with politicians making actual genuine change in our society for the better, rather than minor improvements. Without it people will get angrier and angrier

Philippe Girard

You have no responsibilty in shielding your audience from NF's ideas like we are some children incapable of thinking critically.

cheese

I don't think that talking about nf or even interviewing him would necessarily be bad, especially since the viewers of this podcast are already (imo) pretty left leaning and likely already know who he is, even more so for Patreon viewers since it can't get recommended to someone who already isn't a big enough fan to subscribe on Patreon.

Kellen

Not finished with the ep but I feel bad listening to Doug and Aiden struggle with if they’re doing something wrong for talking about Nick Fuentes. I absolutely think it’s fine in this context. To me it’s especially fine when I think about the fact that the lemonade stand audience, especially the lemonade stand Patreon subs, are almost definitely not the type of people that would be likely to fall into the black hole of filth that is Nick Fuentes even if they looked him up after listening to this. I think I’m a perfect example. Instagram reels has been serving me the occasional Nick Fuentes video or meme, probably because they know I’m a white man 18-30. But I still can obviously the guy is evil and hate everything he says. I will say that I think one reason that young men are watching him is because he, at least in some of his clips, has some sort of charisma that other right wing influencers don’t have. Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, they’re all fucking losers and pseudo-intellectuals, and that oozes out of them when they talk. Nick Fuentes is also a fucking loser, but he talks like a young man would joking around with his boys. The only difference is that instead of saying jokes and banter, he’s saying awful nazi propaganda. But when you’re a stupid and disenfranchised young man looking for community, slurs and antisemitism can be overlooked as “jokes” until you start using them yourself and even starting to believe them. The alt right pipeline is real, but Aiden and Doug, I really don’t think that you’re contributing to it here in this episode.

Mitchell

Not finished with the episode, but I think you guys might be downplaying Nick's influence somewhat. As a 25 y/o I have distantly known of Nick since I was probably 18-20 and he's always been an orbiter of other right leaning personas. Never have I ever sought out NF content and still he has appeared as a background character around Destiny, Kanye West and even has had dinner with Donald Trump in 2022. As other commenters have also said he is massive in the clip economy, he gets seen many more times in 5-30 second "owned" clips on TikTok and Instagram than a live stream. I was startled to hear how large his following is now on somewhere like kick even. 40,000 concurrent viewers is crazy for someone who openly advocates neo-Nazi views and has historically denied the holocaust. None of that to say whether or not he should be platformed, I think the biggest issue with the Tucker interview was that there was inadequate pushback on ideas or fleshing out of ideas from the host. If you are able to lay Nick's ideas naked on a table they are incredibly easy to pick apart and show the flawed logic and racism, sexism, etc. The problem is that Nick is a professional at obfuscation and shrouding his true ideology behind buzzwords and phrasing. So if you are not prepared to or actively trying to truly deconstruct him, he will almost always come out on top of the optics to those who are less invested or knowledgeable of a given topic, and that is where the danger of platforming lies. Very interesting to get the perspectives of people who have not known of this guy tho. Good ep!

Policy Wonk

Hey guys you made a point about how NF is so hard to watch and analyze and I'd highly recommend you check out the podcast "knowledge fight". Every now and again they get into fuentes and his bigotry and provide a rather well put together collection of his rhetoric relating to his particular hate group (groypers) and interviews. Also, dougdoug mentioned both Andrew Tate and Alex Jones petering off in popularity but failed to mention the absolute litany of court cases, de platforming, and shunning from large groups of communities. To be perfectly clear, they did not just peter off for no reason. They were largely removed from various social medias and those subsequent monetization schemes.

Conner Paul

The only way I see people getting pulled away from extremist spaces is in two ways. Short term its people attacking these ideas head on and debating these people into the ground. Knowing all the traps and obfuscations these bad people use and fighting against it to pull people away from that place. Long term its a full rejection on a societal level: this involves the individuals life getting better and also everyone in leadership from top down condemming them, because the majority of influencers saying "this guy is a piece of shit and also here's pilicies that directly improve your lives" is better than the current Republican messaging which is "everything sucks and maybe what your saying is fine?"

QuantumCalc

Hey I live in China and go to a university with a bunch of professors in various different fields who would be very willing to do an English interview! I can definitely hook you guys up with someone. How can I reach out?

KamFord

"I agree with Ben Shapiro" Oh Aiden no.. Deplatforming doesn't work. If you want to win the hearts and minds of the youth, have a better more compelling message. It's that simple.

Fin

What is this gooning stuff, its been mentioned twice now

Nickolaus Harner

I mean, I’m so confident that if somebody liked Lemonade Stand enough to pay for the Patreon, they would not be the typical Nick Fuentes fan. You guys talking about it, and clearly admonishing his ideas, doesn’t feel like platforming him at all. I’m also curious why Doug said he doesn’t feel qualified to push back in an interview. Sure, maybe you guys aren’t experts, but you guys handle disagreement well, you do your homework, and are all very honest and honorable guys. I’m stoked you’re concerned with who you platform and whatnot, but I think you guys can trust yourselves in that area. You’re very honorable bald boys 🫶🫶

Žilvinas Žilvinas

Aiden recently read an article on gooning where lonely men are joining discord communities where they participate in porn addiction

Josh Hunter

It's crazy how just over a month ago jreg was telling atrioc how Nick Fuentes will infiltrate the normal political sphere "very soon" and now he's mentioned here

Josh Hunter

I do think it's very interesting how the right has changed. Trump went from being a fringe "different right" to now being "just a normal right wing figure" with all of the baggage that came along with that, tucker went from being seen as an extreme cook to seen as this "right wing commentator who is still reasonable" and I think the interview with Fuentes is normalising his views a bit. Not that the median conservative is going to walk away thinking "hating Jews is a reasonable thing" but that the conversation was not that extreme and hating Jews is a belief that a person can hold without it being rediculous

JimmyJobs

If you don't want the videos in your recommendations go and delete the other videos you watched out of your YouTube history. That will remove them from your algorithm.

Dwayne Whittenton

Nick will ultimately piss off his fan base as all people do. That coupled with his base growing up and realizing that this edgy divisive character isn’t so funny anymore. Like Doug said he’s gonna have a Tate like rise and fall.

Dwayne Whittenton

Homework doesn’t work against Nick as gross as he is he very rarely loses a debate even when his views are wrong he knows how to make the person he is against seem disingenuous. I don’t really care for destiny but just on the subject of debate destiny is a powerhouse and Nick made him look foolish.

Gregory Colcer

I ended up being inside of this being on pol really often and being mad at women not liking me, but the thing that got me out was my friends I made at Starbucks when I worked with them who were all minorities and it opened my eyes cause I couldn’t say anything I read in public since I saw people who were affected by the things I said. I don’t think I can say this but weirdly Starbucks saved my life in some ways lol

Jonathan Lum

I’m studying abroad in Beijing rn. It’s kind of an odd program where it’s all american professors teaching chinese students in english. But if you want to speak to an American professor that’s been teaching here a while, they might have some interesting stuff to say about China’s youth. All i can tell you is they are brainrotted to shit out here too.

neo hansson

There was an article in Harpers Magazine from Daniel Kolitz who interviewed gooners in an article titled The Goon Squad. He also went on the podcast Search Engine, where I first heard of this, and spoke about the article. I very much recommend the episode.

Tobias Riber

Might be a weird question, but how come that China, an authoritarian, “communist” country is driving down the price of solar panels and leading in climate investment is a win for the free markets? Genuinely curious😅