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Your Short-Form Media Diet | Lemonade Stand - Ep. 36 Premium [VIDEO] (Patreon)

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Recorded on: December 12th, 2025

Intro

Metaverse has a plan?

Facebook shakes up its AI position

Layoffs vs Gig Work

Waymo are expanding

Automation in general

Businesses weren’t magically more virtuous before

Short form media diets

It is good to be bored

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Owen Balter

An hour of content? Could we break this up in 10sec - 1min clips that we can scroll through maybe

Chance Roberson

I think it’s fair to say that although Aiden got 10% funnier, atrioc got 10% less with this “Fazebook” joke

Jeffrey

Is there a way to mark episodes as read? I tried likes but they don't track

finn the leech

Why is dougs hair so black this episode?

Chance Roberson

I work at dominos as a delivery driver and it’s a little bit better than Uber. The downside is because they reimburse you per mile driven, for me 30 to 40 cents per mile, you cannot claim any mileage, repairs, maintenance, or payments made on your vehicle on taxes. I average about 25k miles per year on my vehicle and those miles are Not Good Miles to be putting on your car. It’s equivalent to a police car, it’s a lot of idling, and mostly city driving. And I have to take on all the risk of the vehicle. i average about 18 an hour including tips and reimbursement but take away gas and other expenses it’s about 16 an hour, take away maintenance I’m making probably around 13. I’m doing this in south Texas btw.

Finbarr Sheehan

Doug is so innocent, having trust in capitalism as a system. Endgame capitalism works off of short term gains.

Philippe Bekkers

Oh my god, Atrioc we do the same fucking thing. After you said there is definitive proof that short form is just rotting your brain. All downside, no upside. Every time I fucking I scroll I literally imagine neurons dying. I feel them dying. After 10 minutes of scrolling placebo makes me feel that I got stupider. I have actually bought a dumbphone and deleted all short form content. I still have my iPhone 11 pro max and I’m not buying a smartphone anymore. I got a dumbphone with all the apps I need and I can’t download any other apps unless I out in some actual effort.

Adam Barrameda

Atrioc misapprehending Drew's video (presumably for not having watched it) not just once but two weeks in a row, gives exactly the "poorly researched highly rhetorical" content that Aiden brings up moments later

popcornspoon

Not enough subway surfers or Minecraft parkour. Stopped watching at 1:05:08

Filth McGee

I don't normally comment on things but I relate heavily to what Aiden talked about at the end. I started to notice if there was anything difficult I had to deal with, even if it was just a minor project or some small problem, I would immediately jump to instagram or youtube. I feel like it's made me dumber and also made it harder for me to self-evaluate and have an internal monologue. I noticed that all of the thoughts that I wasn't having would come out when I was in the shower or especially when trying to go to sleep, I was forcing myself to not think at all during the day, so when trying to fall asleep my mind would be racing. People in past generations didn't have this problem to the same extent that we do, it's going to be very interesting to see how we cope with distraction as a society in the coming years. There has never been this much access to distracting and dopamine rewarding content, the amount of discipline it requres to stay away from it is sometimes overwhelming. For some reason it is now incredibly hard to get up and get out of bed in the morning without first spending 20 minutes on reels and then putting on a podcast or music while I get ready. I wish that there was an easy way to reap all the benefits of technology without the downsides like this, it's hard to deal with companies constantly trying to rip your attention away from you.

jasonfails

On the Waymo subject, they seem to be expanding pretty rapidly. I saw a guy here in St. Louis this week with the car with the cameras. They don't have the taxi'ing yet but I looked it up and they have started scanning and mapping everything.

Rachel Cunningham

I think the algo decides if u watch Atrioc you get all the Atrioc channels + HMW because so little YouTube financial content fills that niche

Lemonade Stand

Appreciate you sharing this, bar for bar how I feel - Aiden

raymond

Hmw competing against the glizzy economic YouTube monopoly

raymond

Please change the background to subway surfer and Minecraft Parkour too thanks

Goomfrugma

Aiden in a press jacket holding a microphone and shaking like a wet dog scared would be a fire merch idea for a shirt

Goomfrugma

I’m going to teach the Waymo AI how to be drunk so I don’t have all the fun.

Soran

I hate so much that the non paying viewers don't get see this videos. I dare say that the patreon community should be able to vote once a year make 3 videos public/free

Soran

Or maybe once every 2 months, there're just to many great videos.

Adib Teske

yeah ive seen them around in orlando too and apparently they either just launched the taxis here or coming soon

ReiTheFae

I never even dared to dream of a day where Doug would talk about kpop so much <3 he did this for me

James f

Whats the dumb phone brand

Chad Foo Kilroy

8:40 but you can face scan yourself and put yourself into VR chat 😅

Chad Foo Kilroy

If we do that Im canceling my subscription 😅😂 I don't have five dollars every month to be paying for free stuff lol, and big A already posts a segment about once a month.

Chad Foo Kilroy

Ya, alpha steak was saying it's two faced/hypocritical of y'all to be scared/worried about the ramifications of ai and make jokes about it a bit, but also be happy and excited about it taking over mundane jobs. Dude sounds like a goober 🤷‍♂️😂

Chad Foo Kilroy

45:00 oh I must've not been paying attention and missed it but same! Uninstalled Reddit earlier this year because I realized I spending way too much time on it, I started reading the news, and completely changed my YouTube and it shorts algorithm. I've now run into the problem/realization that Filth McGee In another comment was talking about. How I recently realized I'm using it more for distractions and haven't fully implemented it into changing my everyday habits. Honestly hearing other people struggle, but also realizing it and also thinking about it and also working to change it feels me with inspiration! And I'm going to do This application that I've been too nervous to do right now!

Chad Foo Kilroy

47:40 And I've changed my relationship with sports, or I kind of see it like Doug as just a bunch of dudes but the nuts and muscles And I don't have to think. But it's still a lot more complicated than that 😅

Joshua E

I really related to Aiden talking about how important it is to have quiet time away from distractions so you can actually spend time thinking instead of just shutting your brain off. I'm going for a walk now. Great episode!

Guy Fernando

I heard a take about how China is more optimistic about AI just because of their media surrounding technology. China has a Star Trek view for the future of AI while in the West we’ve got a Black Mirror one.

Chad Foo Kilroy

54:25 I would counter with, You probably remember and don't remember more than you think. For instance, are you going to talk about every single thing they say on that hour-long podcast, or just the one or two points that you heard that you thought were interesting that you may look up, or talk with the guys on the pod to extrapolate it. I think that an actuality you remember just as many stuff, but because you watched a thousand different topics in that hour on shorts it doesn't feel as gratifying or connected. Assuming It was topics you actually care about equally. And I guess that then goes to how you curate your algorithm, like for me mine is very much like a mix of both Doug's and Aiden's, where I see the Jeff Teague and a bunch of basketball and stuff, but I also have a bunch of science and news stuff, So I care about quite a bit of it and actually remember or share quite a bit of it.

Dom, the Family dude

The thing about Reddit is that you can « curate » your experience and only see stuff from communities you like , instead of an algorithmic non stop feed

Chad Foo Kilroy

1:04:10 I was he who you speak of in the year of our Lord 2016. I was tapped in, I saw the election memes, I was there when pepe was banned, and I weeped at the foot of the grave of our Messiah Harambee. And I will tell you what great power and truth I learned for my meditations!!! When you get to the roots of either side in America, they both get surprisingly racist.

Ethan Herbert

Aidens comments around 57:00 make me think of the essay by Bertland Russell "In Praise of Idleness". It really changed how I looked at the concept of bordem, and made me think about how it has always existed and has value. I think about the concept of a "shower thought" and that seems to be the same thing - a brief moment of peace in a choatic world where clarity in thought can exist for a moment. I like to take walks somewhere quiet with no headphones to try and give myself that space, highly recommend.

Astro

The same way the subscription tab exists on YouTube and (almost) no one uses it. And even you're curated feed on reddit is algorithmically driven compared to how it use to be.

Joyeuse

Dude itd be so lit if we could expand urban rail networks too and reduce the overall number of cars needed on roads alongside, still improve public safety but if you need cars they could still be there and automated but urghhh public transit raghhh

Noah Barron

I agree with Doug about Shorts being more “nutritious”. I had this conversation with my roommate. If I click on the short youtube does a good enough job keeping the next few shorts relevant enough to the initial short that it’s easy for me to get out of. On my 6th super metroid youtube short on a row i’m just like “i don’t even play this game” then just swipe out

Ensyllis

I DISAGREE WITH AIDEN! I am crashing out because this man cannot hold the idea that social media is bad and at the same time the ways he proposes a solution does not meaningfully impact or solve the actual problem! It's like I'm fucking watching the trump administration figure out real problems like insurance and then propose the dumbest fucking idea ever that only exasperates the fucking problem. He wants to get rid of ALL phones? He wants to give them a supplement? It's like I'm watching bad fucking policy in real action because he doesn't understand the underlying issue behind the negative effects of social media. We can look at what fucking works, Youtube Kids, Uber Teens, Fucking different apps for different age groups. It's like I'm watching Pete Hegseth in the Villain Chair claiming that China can't have the Nvidia chips because they'll get ahead in the AI race. Fucking true but if you don't sell them the bad fucking chips they're going to make a black market of their own chips. The same fucking way the second order consequences of all these stupid Aiden proposed ideas doesn't get to the underlying issues. The demand will always be there and there's this almost miraculous belief Aiden has that as long as you get rid of social media you can turn back time, this simpleton idea of a naive child. Yes Social media has repercussions, But the root cause of why lies in the ways the algorithm is constructed, and how the phone apps are designed for maximum engagement. You have to rewire how the algorithms do their jobs to maximize the things you want. It's like I'm hearing Michelle Obama say, we need to make better food for kids then throw out trash tasting food in the Cafeteria. Does that make the kids healthier? NO! It creates a fucking black market, kids bring unhealthy food into the classrooms, you create all these secondary consequences that you might not have any intention for but DAMN well you should've done the research and not done fucking bad policy decisions.//

Paweł Hachlica

Kids can Buy junk food , it is cheap but phones are pretty pricey for 9 yo, and what do you mean by saying that youtube kids, uber teens work? Thoses apps are not addresing negatives of social media in any way.

Iba Shinu

Vr chat has face tracking I'm a long time denizen of it. Promise. Nothing meta has done puts a candle to vr chat somehow.

Nickmontana

Loved the talk on short form media and the importance of boredom. I really liked hearing about changing your media diet and like progressing to less 'slop'. I always feel like I need to go cold turkey or 'just a little' and going from okay no reddit but yotube shorts, then less shorts, then whatever's next and how that can help giver you time to consider where you're at in life is really helpful.

Growing Carrot

I wanted to throw my opion into the ring. UBI is not a good first step. Great idea, but don't do it first. it should be houses & also public transportation. if you give ubi to a bunch of people it'llbe drained by all of our nihilistic spending. people deciding to buy a new hummer or a steam machine (me, I'd spend it poorly, i think) insteand of saving up for a house because

Mister Mouse

Perhaps the most re-formative experiences of my life was in the summer two years ago. I went on a 14-day Caribbean cruise with some friends and on day ONE my cheap amazon waterproof case failed. Normally not a huge deal, but of course, the week before we left my screen had been turbo fucked by the pavement. Sure enough, we got back to the ship and my phone was toast. At first I was of course pretty upset at the whole situation, but what followed was potentially the best two weeks of my life. I spoke with new people and shared stories I would have never heard; made friends and actually learned about their lives and worries and hopes; I explored places I would have never endeavored to reach; and I saw staggering landscapes and the soft, candid moments of life between old friends I would have overlooked. All of the beautiful idiosyncrasies I would have been, had been, too distracted to notice before. I've never looked at my little joy thief the same way since. I know this might sound grandiose or dramatic, but it really felt like waking up. Just wanted to share, thank you. :)

Ensyllis

I'd actually like to know your thoughts on what exactly are the negative effects of social media. My main concern is the amount of time that is being wasted, paired with the decreasing attention span of social media. If algorithms can decrease amount of screentime, provide content without the infinite scroll capabilities. Then that would be, as Doug says it, "Like having cocaine without all the bad side"

Arne

I liked the Clip of Bret Weinstein saying that with UBI people would become listless, because there is no purpose Left (earlier purpose, recreation, has already been removed through the sexual tevolution)

Lemonade Stand

Joseph do you wanna come on the show and talk about this? Message the Patreon or me on Discord and we can coordinate - Aiden

Lemonade Stand

You're also replying a video that this video isn't by the way lol, presumably the Big A clip. That isn't from this episode.

Cat

I think the only way to stop the brain rot of short form video content is to change the algorithm to promote educational stuff. If you ban it, people are going to try VPNs and move to different versions, but if you change it people will either learn something or stop scrolling. I don’t think we’re going to have a good solution per se, but maybe we just need something better than now.

tuggway

In regard to the phone/social media conversation/topic, I would like to express some of my thoughts, especially after recently reading “no longer human” and as gen z myself. (apologies if my response doesn't read well, my points are just festering thoughts I've had) Beyond phones and the internet being propagators of poor human behaviour, I believe they multiply an already growing “authenticity/culture/spirituality” crisis among young and old in capitalist societies. (By “authenticity,” I mean the relationship between inner reality our thoughts, subconscious, feelings, values/ideals, core self and outer expression: our words, actions, choices, appearance, class.) Growing up in modern society, we learn there can be and often is a fundamental dishonesty in most social interactions. A performative collective delusion, all for the “incentive,” online and irl. Progressing your career, building your education, curating social media, buying at a store, consuming, advertising, entertainment, competing, ignoring the homeless, being charitable to the homeless. If money isn't the incentive, we tokenize and commodify in other ways. Social favour, likes, outreach, education, “soul-searching.” We put on masks for personal gain or peer pressure and pretend we're authentic, normal humans. This constant masking creates a barrier/contradiction between our true selves and the world, making genuine connection difficult, even impossible. If you have true talent, passion, or authenticity, you're told to leverage those parts of you as a human for personal benefit and societal contribution. But this appropriates, and commodifies, authentic culture. Inauthenticity spreads as people copy the traits of success without copying what those traits represent, like playing music perfectly but without understanding the nuance/emotional context of the song. Worse, society has grown so comfortable with performance, fabricated experience, and result-oriented thinking that it embraces these inauthentic substitutes. We know the social media post is fabricated. We see nepotism in careers and professional sports. We watch governments fail to act for the people. We've witnessed the “go to school, work hard, find success” philosophy erode, the nuclear threat most forget about is still very much a threat. And we either try to escape, stop caring, or, we prefer it because it's predictable and effortless. Genuine emotion, passion, vulnerability become frightening or inconvenient. Without incentive, people won't pursue what's authentic to themselves. With incentive, they pursue what's inauthentic and try to imitate authenticity. On third spaces, beyond their physical removal, I personally think spaces where people can be truly authentic are vanishing. Spaces where race, gender, opinions don't define the interaction, where people can just be. Apart from a poker table or similar social games (where you can disassociate from the disassociation of being a “normal human” to finally feel normal), such spaces feel rare. The few remaining authentic spaces exist in the margins, often centred around activities that create temporary equality: the shared focus of a game, a sport, a craft. But even these are increasingly colonized by the performance economy streamed, monetized, turned into content. I don't have an answer. Or a well thought out conclusion, and these are already well established takes/philosophies. But I think society as a whole recognizing the mask is the first step to, maybe, more occasionally find authentic moments in our lives. Idk just me though, cooking or schizo?

M C

Unemployment didn’t even cover my rent when I was looking to go on it. Unemployment is a non-option in terms of survival for most Americans.

M C

Uber black is ALWAYS less expensive in DTLA. (Still more than Waymo’s though)

M C

I guess my question with this is… how do you eat? UBI is a flexibility thing. Sure: for some it would be a boost to their economic spending. But building infrastructure takes YEARS. Smaller towns and suburbs it would take even longer (if even economically viable). Then we add people actually eating. UBI and UHC just eliminates a lot of government processes to get people what they need (and for some what they want). Don’t get me wrong: those are both extremely important steps and things we need to do but if you are looking at mass unemployment that isn’t a real solution. That solution becomes government provided housing and government food lines.

pnott

Add to Lemonade Stand's esteemed guest roster: Lina Khan, Steve Eisman, Aiden, and now... Joseph.

William

ONLY little kids plays meta horizon worlds out of the like 50 people I found there was only like one adult,

Colin Young

So if all the factory jobs are replaced with robots where does all the money go that was for employees? Into the company's pocket i would think? And they dont have a reason to bring down prices, we get screwed with no upside for employees only the rich people at the top benefit from AI at least thats what it feels like to me