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We had the chance to tour a small factory in near Shenzhen on our China trip and afterwards we got to sit down and ask him some questions.

Recorded on: March 28, 2026

TOPICS:

0:00 - How did you start?

5:12 - Picking a niche

8:10 - Covid

12:45 - Automated systems

15:54 - Shipping delays

17:26 - Dealing with Covid Restrictions

18:14 - The effect of US Tariffs

20:36 - Transshipment

24:30 - How China's change has affected him over the years

28:07 - Environmental Standards and Surveillance

31:11 - Overall sentiment on AI

37:35 - Government and Companies

38:30 - Hong Kong and China

43:24 - Future outlook

47:23 - Differences between US and China

54:43 - Outro

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fazebill

I feel I've seen this before 🤔

Aidan

Watching this, it kinda feels like Atrioc is a kid at a parent-teacher conference

Lemonade Stand

We added a small clip from this in one of the main eps

Cole Markusen

How old is that guy? 42 years of experience for someone in their 40/50s is impressive.

finn the leech

This isnt really relevant but he looks very good for a 50 year old

Melker

Very informative episode. It was very interesting to hear more about the business side in china.

Sebastian Serrano

It's incredible to see how problem-solving oriented he is and I would assume it's something cultural in China. When Atrioc tried to ask him if he didn't care he was dropshipping he didn't understand why that was a problem altogether, he just saw it as facilitating a solution for logistics problems for other companies...

Mikel

I was going to comment that, oh is crazy.

Logisticious

I assume there's a reason this released so late right? Not complaining just fascinated at the meta logistics of getting these released

Logisticious

As a logistician myself I don't think this is even remotely a cultural thing. It's just problem-solving mindset that many business-oriented & logistics people have

DeftCG

Great ep

Sebastian Serrano

Really? I would've thought someone more business-oriented would try to get directly to the customer, but thanks for the input. Not a business person myself so it's nice to see other perspectives

Leon

we all kind of age better since sun tanning aint popular

Leon

34:20 imo the last 30 being more relevant and also more of us being online makes it for a more impressionable that Chinese is accepting and experiencing change. While from the 1980-2000 its less clearly communicated and as an example for my parents generation, the transformation is still huge when considering a huge majority migrated to these cities where there is a strong demand for job opportunity and education; this made huge impacts in the social economic standing per person. Then prior to 1980s; lives did change a lot as things adjust to consequences of all kinds revolution and political progress and so those grandparents generation who lived through the rougher changes. As 2nd gen in western world it became obvious that what doug says is correct very little change happened in my birth country NZ compared to what i saw that my extended family experienced. Even if they didn't leave their city there has been a dramatic improve in living conditions. TLDR: it is indeed a factually a constant in the minds of the common man (progress and change in people's lives).

Mikel

Aiden said in reply to another comment he is in his 60s, impressive

Soups

Doug being 35 was surprising. I would've guessed older

Akiva Notkin

Thanks so much for this. Was a great interview. Thanks for just letting him talk.

your mom

One of my favorite clips of Lemonade Stand just hearing a genuine factory owner yap for an hour, thanks for dropping this vid.