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Big A's Next Clip | Lemonade Stand - Ep. 62 Premium [VIDEO] (Patreon)

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Recorded on: 06/23/26

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0:00 - Into

1:20 - Tucker Carlson Leaves the Republicans

8:17 - How much reach does Tucker have?

19:10 - Assisted Dying in Quebec

29:02 - What are the specifics

38:09 - Midjourney Medical

42:24 - Meta's Super Original Idea

53:50 - Agency on Your Algorithm

58:37 - Faceless YouTube Channels

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Aidan

And Tucker Carlson is a country?

VagueKing

The people who are still left defending the current republican party are likely diehard. This won't change anything for them. The midterms are shaping up to be a wipeout. If that happens, the republican party is more likely to become overtly anti-Trump after that. Everyone will soon have always known that Trump was a bad person and bad candidate for president. By '28 they will hope people would see Trump as a mistake, an aberration, not at all emblematic of republican policies. A weird stain on otherwise pristine canvas. They will be hoping that voters will have forgotten the period of time where most to all of the members of the party were in lockstep with him and echoed if not amplified all his harmful rhetoric. Whatever happens, I know for sure that we're gonna get some fire Big A clips

Bailey Yin

I think assisted death makes sense. There seems to be solutions that are hopeless and painful where assisted death would alleviate the pain. I also do not think that goes against the hypocratic oath since you would still be helping the person (doing no harm is not black and white). The money aspect is interesting because you mention a doctor/government pushing this option to save money but in some ways keeping a person around could be thought of as making money for certain people (cold way of looking at it). There is definitely a wrong way to push the option but it seems to be a valid personal option. What is the point to keeping someone alive if they do not want to be and they are miserable without options? I also want to point out that there is a difference between a doctor suggesting that a patient do this and explain all the options available to the patient.

Dan

I'm from the UK so the stance of healthcare providers saving money via assisted dying versus continued care is fascinating. We had this debate recently in parliament, it was quite a big topic, but the prevailing issue for us is people being pressured to die from family who stand to gain financially. I never thought about saving the healthcare system money. It's just interesting to me tbh

Dan

Also the Netherlands has assisted dying? Am I wrong or are they thinking of Switzerland which is famous for dignitas?

raymond

The ppl who uses these services like assisted death are in constant pain and don't have the privilege to death. I will support it, similar to how I feel Abt abortion. In an ideal world there shouldn't be abortions. However, we don't live in that world and there are unfortunately too many cases of sexual assaults and other factors that demand it's necessity.

Justice Fitzgerald

Im pro MAID. When my grandma was dying of cancer it gave her choice and control over her death.

The Fancy Tophat

From quebec. From what I’ve heard, reaction to the program has been mostly positive. As for my own thoughts, i think that it’s my goddamn right to do whatever the fuck i want to with my body, even if that is death.

raymond

My aunt had brain cancer, terminal. Before she died her cancer was so bad she couldn't even remember my dad. Assisted suicide would've been such a blessing for her, allowing her to part the world while being able to feel the love of her family

FaceInCake

FYI the Youtube custom feed is US only. RIP. Was looking for it and couldn't find it

Brittany Coppin

I use Threads exclusively for Bookstagram content 😂 I haven’t used Twitter since 2015 but for some reason my threads has a perfect book/Canadian pride and hobbies algorithm for me. Book Threads was where the recent Hot Girls Read discourse started and it was wild to be on the ground floor of a huge internet drama.

Linus Andersson

I think it could go in either direction. If people start ending their lives in high numbers because of one particular condition, it would probably force the health care system to put more resources into improving those people's quality of life.

Jenny Pham

I think another interesting topic is that there was a cases of assisted dying for people living with severe, chronic mental illness. (I find it very interesting as a mental health nurse) i think this also poses an interesting issue as these people living with chronic mental illness aren’t typically suffering due to physical health, they are still suffering immensely and assisted dying can give them a more dignified death than what the person would do without that option. However, there is also the flip side of is the health care system going to “give up” on these people? Are funds, staffing and research going to be pulled away because assisted dying is the “easier” option than solving severe, chronic mental illness. It’s very complex.

Ben Hughes

I personally am a huge advocate for assisted death, but had honestly never thought about the scenario of “death” being suggested to a patient by a healthcare provider, and not the other way around. Assisted death seems to me like the most beneficial and humane way to give someone painless relief and closure when diagnosed with a progressively fatal illness. I know many people (myself included) would not want to be forced to deteriorate around their loved ones while either dealing with immeasurable pain, or losing grip on reality and the ability to care for yourself. With that said, I think in absolutely no circumstance should it ever be recommended by a doctor, insurance company, or government. It should only be in place at the discretion of a patient, and offered with a certain level of counseling and/or preparation. Like many things it’s an incredibly sad thing to face in life, but no one should have to suffer through fatally debilitating illness without a choice.

Lemon

Assisted dying is a tricky topic. When we voted on it a few years ago here in New Zealand my mother was terminally ill (disabled/sick), she did not want assisted dying to be an option as it places a burden on those that are ill. Why would she continue living when the health system encourages and gives the option of suicide? She would only continue to be a burden on the health system and tax payer. But when she got the terminal cancer diagnosis later in her life going through Hospice and end of life care it showed the positive benefit of ending needless suffering, even if she herself did not still want it. I think the rules we have is the best of a tricky situation, with a 6 month diagnosis required, although my mum got 6 months to live and lived for two years and had an increase in quality of life for one year. I would have lost that valuable time with her if it was "recommended" to her. Here is the New Zealand criteria for reference: - aged 18 years or older - a New Zealand citizen or permanent resident - suffering from a terminal illness that is likely to end your life within 6 months - experiencing a serious decline in physical capability that cannot be reversed - experiencing unbearable suffering that cannot be relieved in a way you can tolerate - competent to make an informed decision about assisted dying. You must meet all of these conditions. You are not eligible just because you are very old or because you have dementia, a mental illness or a disability

Olivier Gauthier

Hi ! I’m from Quebec. Just to be clear, support for Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) (we don’t call it suicide) here is over 90%. The law on it has been in place for… more then 10 years I think? It’s not really a debate here anymore. The push to legalize it originally came from doctors after a few cases of assisted suicide were carried out at home. The reasoning was essentially: “If anyone is going to do it, it should be us.” (It’s not important, but I find it a bit ironic that someone from a country that still carries out state executions would bring up the Hippocratic Oath in this context.) MAID was authorized after a long, non-partisan public consultation process, and every request is reviewed and approved by a centralized committee. Most people I know, after witnessing the long and difficult death of a parent or grandparent with Alzheimer’s, dementia, or another degenerative disease who couldn’t access MAID (because, once your cognitive capacity has begun to decline, you can no longer provide informed consent for it, just as you can’t change your will), say the same thing: “I don’t want my death to be like that. I want to be able to give my consent before it’s too late." I think it’s mostly the concessus here.

popcornspoon

In defense of facebooks libra, a bunch of regulators crushed it across Europe and the US because it could stabilize the sovereign currencies of different countries. It was essentially backed by a basket of currencies the same way that IMF SDRs were and this spooked a bunch of people so it wasn’t the worst idea just too disruptive

Levan Q

With assisted death, it reminds me of abortion. I am coming with good intentions and good faith, but the similarities are interesting, in the sense that its the pro-choice / pro-life argument Similarities i noticed with pro-choice, pro-assisted suicide - if you banned abortions, then ppl are going to do unsafe abortions anyways, similar to like the ppl who get prescribed the death pills and take them, how is it different than like someone trying to intentionally OD with like over-the-counter stuff - if you cannot have an abortion, the kid’s QOL is usually poor due to issues with foster system, poor parenting, etc. If you’re QOL is terminal and you want out, it should have the option to go out on your terms than be forced to live Even the cost argument is like similar where its like, if you had an abortion, then like u wouldnt have to deal with the cost of raising a kid. In the same way where assisted suicide, is like preventing the cost of medical bills and like the feeling of burdening others / your children. I feel like the way burdening others and system wouldnt increase but im also unsure. ppl and family value each other where like being together a bit longer matters so im like humanity perspective, i think most ppl wouldnt feel burden but maybe im being naive. It is definitely more nunanced like i agree with aiden like it shouldn’t be encouraged, or even how u would limit it, like if you had cognitive impairment due to disease or like severe depression and tried commiting suicide, but then decided life was worth living afterall there should be a choice, and just gives the same vibe of like abortions and then also like do not resuscitate orders. Its ultimately a conversation to have with your family and love ones, i had a conversation with my sibling where it was like if i was on life support and suffering and had no way of recovery, pull the plug

SadChargerFan

A helpful thing to remember about death with dignity: many people conflate having sympathy with a person who wishes to end their suffering with the idea that medical professionals should be allowed to assist in the process. Those are separate issues. I am not against people wanting to end their life so as to avoid the indignity of constant suffering, but I am against any program which would allow the participation of medical professionals in that process in any way, be it by prescribing or administering drugs. The perverse incentives brought up in the episode is one thing, the deeper issue that is closely related to those perverse incentives is that (I think) it fundamentally changes the relationship between the health care professional and the patient. That relationship is care giver and care recipient: if I am in deep trouble, I want to know that the person or people taking care of me are doing everything they can to take care of me. Even knowing that there is an option available to me to escape the pain I'm suffering through the assistance of those professionals turns them into outcome-optimizers instead of caretakers. (There's plenty of other stuff that could change that relationship, too, not just assisted suicide)

SadChargerFan

I should also bring up that the relationship with yourself likely changes, too. Hopefully, none of us want to be burdens on others, especially those we love. But it is because our loved ones love us that they do not in fact see us as burdens (there may be costs they pay by assisting us in our times of needs, but to say it is a burden is to say you would rather not pay those costs). I've been in the hospital without my life being threatened and each time I felt like a burden on others - I could only imagine how I would view myself if (1) the ailments really were life threatening, and (2) the option to rid those burdens from others was available through assisted suicide. I don't think having that option on the table is good for the relationships we have to ourselves in light of these concerns.

Eric

I feel like the debate isn't whether assisted death should be legal. It should be around how do you put proper guard rails around it to protect medical professionals who don't want to do it, and the patients from pressure to go through with it. That pressure being the government, medical professionals, family, and even their own short term thinking. Quite possibly other entities I'm not thinking of now. From my own experience with multiple family members suffering protracted hospice "keep them comfortable till they pass" care, both of whom asked to be allowed to die multiple in the rare cases they were lucid, it seems insane to me that we can't do anything but force them to go through it, day by painful day, month by agonizing month.

DeftCG

Great ep

nickyyo

tw idk i watched my dad die of cancer in 2024 after battling it for 2 years it became clear that it was terminal, and he decided to stop treatment. VAD is legal where he lived but he hadn’t gone through the lengthy process so he spent the next 6 months ‘living’ knowing that the cancer was spreading all across his body. it culminated in him spending the last two weeks of his life in a hospital bed waiting for his organs to fail, on so much morphine he could barely pee by himself. he was 58. not to get all standpoint about it but i really think that bar any religious reasons, anyone that doesn’t support VAD hasn’t experienced a family member suffering like that. i understand the inclination to joke about it and i don’t think doctors should advocate for kys but i really don’t think it’s a amoral to inform a patient of the options facing them. no one’s forcing them to go out on their own terms if they have an objection they can just say as much idk this whole debate seems to be missing the point imo. it’s not the state taking life its the individual. edit: i also think atrioc underestimates how many old people there are with cancer. he’s talking about it like it’s a really niche scenario and should only be used in extreme cases but the reality is about 20% of all deaths in the US are cancer related. death itself is the extreme scenario and yet it happens pretty frequently.

Kerrin Grosvenor

The state I grew up in Australia made euthanasia legal nearly twenty years ago, the bill was called “dying with dignity”, and it got significant community support, despite being in a state that had quite a solid religious community and more traditional values (Tasmania, that little island near Antarctica)

Kerrin Grosvenor

Also it’s not just pain that’s a motivator; the one that was used as an example a lot in the Australian bill campaign was quadriplegics with terminal outcomes who wanted to die but could not commit suicide (… paralysed) therefore the only way out was asking a loved one for help, which is an awful position to put anyone in, but at least medical professions aren’t emotionally involved and have resources at their disposal. The Australian implementation also does not require doctors to perform euthanasias, similar to how here at least for a long time religious ministers were not obligated to perform same sex marriages, they could choose to “opt out” effectively. Growing up with this in the media and discussing it at a formative age (late teens, nearly twenty years ago) means I’m actually morally comfortable with it, and as far as I’ve heard there haven’t been significant dismantling of standards or expectations in the healthcare system as a result of the incentives, which is a massive relief. I do wonder whether, somehow, this might just be a ‘sacred’ enough moral topic that it is harder to corrupt than so many others, ie doctors are only bringing it up when they genuinely feel that is in their patent’s best interests to consider?

PythagoRascal

I'm from Switzerland where we have an organisation called EXIT that provides assitance to people seeking medically assisted suicide. Their website FAQ (exit (dot) ch) provides a short summary of the conditions required to use their services. I agree there are many tricky aspects & incentives to assisted suicide that, especially in adversarial healthcare environments like the US, have no clear anwers. I don't really want to go into that. Because I have a personal connection to this topic (my grandma chose to use EXIT in 2014), I would rather like to highlight a few things from my grandma's situation and my experience with my her choice: * while she was still somewhat mobile and of clear mind, she was in a lot of pain for years due to previous operations. In the end, even very strong pain-killers were not enough anymore and she hated the brain-fog they caused her. * she communicated her dicision to her 5 kids (and the rest of the family) about a year in advance (and had registered with EXIT in secret a good 5 years before). a) This allowed her and her kids to get her affairs in order together and organize the funeral to her wishes, while she was still alive. b) It allowed us to emotionally come to terms with it over a longer time, way before it happened. Not to say that the funeral later was not painful, just not unexpected / shocking. c) It gave the family the chance to come together for a last time, in a sort-of "celebration of her life" before she went and to properly say goodbye. * it allowed her to go with dignity and on her own terms. She was born in 1932 and grew up in WW2 Italy. From what she told us, a lot of her town, were part of the partisans and as a kid she occasionally messed with the occupying soliders when she could get away with it. After the war, she came to Switzerland and started working as a mechanic in a factory (~1949). She was always a durable & strong willed person with a sharp mind. I feel, her decision to go via assisted suicide was exactly the right choice for her and a fitting bookend to her life. I can only hope I can one day go with the same diginity. Rest in peace, Nonna.

retronymph

I definitely support assisted death 100%, but it should be entirely elected and never recommended by a physician. It should be rare and something has gone very wrong if it isn't.

Joebama

Dear LS Crew. I found your segment on assisted dying to hit close to home. Myself, as many others have had parents and grandparentd who faced a less than fortunate death. I lost my grandparents during COVID. Both of them were suffering from severe dementia before and were seperated during Covid. This took a tremendous toll on them, each video call, each conversation, each visit, I saw them deteriorate significantly. They didnt know where they were anymore, they didnt understand why they got seperated they were scared of peopel wearing masks as they couldnt recognize faces anymore. Seeing them, family that I loved so dearly, suffer so significantly for years on end, caused pain, so much pain. When COVID finally ended my grandfather hadnt made it and that made life for my grandma unbearable, in additition. The compounding effects of illness, isolation, confusion and the loss of mobility, being bedridden for most of the time, made life not worth living and deprieved my grandparents of their dignity for years on end. If someone was forced into these conditons, most would call it torture. For these reasons assisted dying lies very close to my heart and I thank you for opening this conversation. I hope that one day other will not have to face the near certainty of cognitive decline, confusion, isolaton and pain. At least if they dont want to. For these reasons Id like to ask if it would be possible to post this conversation snippet for free, to broaden the disussion and make available for all. Much love and keep up the good work.

OverclockedPixel

I am from Quebec and support it. Again it's all about the implementation of the doctors letting patients know that is on of their options, not recommending it and there are requirements to be met to be able to even use it. My grandmother at some point said she had had enough and she told everyone to stop giving saline, stop taking her meds, etc. while she was in the hospital with the family there. She died a couple of days later. Not directly MAID, but simply choosing herself to stop it. My wife was diagnosed with a brain tumour 6 years ago (when she was 28, she is now completely fine) and when she went in the operating room to get it removed, she also wanted that option if anything happened to her mentally, since she didn't want to live out her days being not there at all. I know that I would like to have the option for myself where if I start declining or suffer brain damage or become quadriplegic, I could use it. Not saying I would do it 100% if any of these happened to me, but I like having the option if I ever want that. Saves me the need of thinking how do I get to the nearest bridge (sorry if a bit graphic). I wouldn't judge anyone who decides to fight, like I wouldn't judge someone deciding that they've had enough, but that might be different for other families or for different environments that I am not in. Also, this is a minor criticism and hope that it isn’t taken badly. I felt like the talk on MAID in Canada/Quebec was all through 1 single article and didn’t provide a lot of answers to follow up questions or provide that much overall context/details (what are the eligibility requirements, what is the process, how is it done in other parts of the country/world, what does it mean for doctor recommendation, etc.) . I would’ve liked for the person bringing up the subject to do a tad more research to be able to give more context and bit more knowledge especially on such serious subjects. I know this is a podcast and not serious journalism, but still having an audience and winging it can cause misunderstandings. Really happy for this episode and happy that it made everyone think about something they hadn’t considered!

Krispy4Kream

I really appreciate the inclusion of "their own short term thinking" as something to be mindful of. Thank you for writing this comment, I resonated with it a lot.

dinlaslamark

well that was a boring episode

Matthias Conroy

This is an issue which has to be addressed with the utmost of charity and respect and gentleness, but I think the ethical crux of euthanasia (I think assisted suicide and assisted dying are too charged as terms, on either side), is that for everyone with a given condition who is suicidal, there is someone else with the same condition who isn't suicidal. So the condition isn't an insurmountable problem in itself. I think it would be much better to focus on helping patients to get to the stage where they are able to face their condition, rather than introducing a huge array of perverse incentives and cultural acceptance of seeing people as burdens. It's also implicitly ableist, as having any guard rails (which basically everyone thinks there should be, aside from maybe parts of Canada and Belgium) suggests that certain conditions intrinsically make life less worth living. Plus, there are documented cases in the Netherlands and Oregon of a patient rescinding their request for euthanasia and being killed anyway (one patient had to be held down, the mind boggles). I think Atrioc's instinct is bang on. There are way too many negative consequences, both intrinsic to its introduction, and also very frequently occurring shortly after its introduction.

Fredaso

I’m from Quebec and my dad chose assisted death 4 years ago after being in excruciating pain even with a lot of morphine from bone cancer. It was the right decision and I will never be mad at him for it. He was able to choose a date and we were all with him when it happened. I’m just happy he’s in a better place now and not having to live with the pain day in, day out.

yannick desforges

I'm form Quebec. in 2018 i was finishing high-school and we had a debate in ethic class about assisted dying as it was starting to be legalized. for us it was so weird and distant like the kind of thing you don't really think about as a 16-17 years old. Since then my dad died of brain cancer. My point of views as been more defined since then because it was a real talked we had. in the end my dad could not do it cause he was stable and okay for like a years and in like 2 week he was gone. I can understand the point were if your suffering form terminal illness you want to go on your term my dad was also thinking this but it's not an easy decision to make. In his case since there was not a lot of pain it was mostly choosing to go on his term before his mind was gone. When my mom talk to the doctor about it she told her that sometime for the family it's harder to know when he will go like counting the day. From all the people i know assisted dying is view on a positive side and it's just part of how we do thing here but it's never and easy choice. Also form what i have heard form my dad dying and my grandad dying when they say propose it it's more like: there is nothing more we can do to make you better we can give you med to relive the pain if you want we can like put you in a sleeping state were you wont feel anything but are still alive and there is also assisted dying if you want. probably specific to my grandad tho. im suprised by the 5% of Canadian that choose this. i have heard about a lots of older people dying of old age and thing related to that or cancer and non who chooses assisted suicide. i might be tho that older folk like 80+ have a worst idea of assited suicide or other factor form their generation.

FlockOfDeagles

Until you have a condition that makes you sit in constant pain, you will never understand why MAID should exist.

Kruger Main

Wait… monke explains is slop??? no…. Next you’re gonna try and say stickman explains is slop you dammed liars.

Lobster

Jumping in to the conversation as someone from Québec to offer my point of view on this. I am not a healthcare professional but i used to work in the healtcare system, including at paliative care homes. I understand the discomfort about this subject. To give you all a little bit more context aroudn some of the regulations around this. for your MAID (Medical Assistance in Death) request to be approved, it either needs to be a situation where your death is reasonably previsible (ex: the doctors give you 6 months to live with no cure possible), or if it is not reasonably previsible (ex: you have cancer but still some treatement options, or you have a degenerative disorder like dementia), the approval process is very lengthy and needs 3rd opinion from other healthcare professionals, where each professionnal must lay down extensive other options to relieve your suffering, and that approval takes several months to be approved by a committee that will evaluate if enough attempts were made to alleviate your suffering, or if for example, even with the best care, the person requesting will loose autonomy entirely in the future, even if we cant give a specific timeline (like in the cases of degenerative disorders) You have to keep in mind that yes, while 5%-8% of deaths annually through MAID seems like a big and intimidating number, most of those are people that had a uncurable disease and were given motnhs to live, where they would have lost most autonomy and suffered greatly for the rest of these months. most of those people would have been part of the 17% of annual death that are attributed to cancer, or part of the other many many many people that die each year of degenerative diseases (i dont have clear number on those, sorry). I also want to add that as far as I am aware, doctors are only allowed to present MAID as an option in the case where the death is reasonably previsible. and they are only allowed to present it as an option for the patient, they are absolyutely not allowed to reccomend it as a medical opinion of "i would reccomend you ask for MAID". It's only presented as an information of "if this is something that would be of interest to you, we can discuss it if you want"along with other potential treatement and ressources that would be available to them (like counselling, assisted living, nursing homes, paliative care, etc)

Zachary Kress

I really liked primeagen’s video on Midjourney and he went into how completely bullshit their claims are of what they want to do and how they want to scale this

Cynical Manatee

Its funny that the boys are talking about doctors having incentives to prescribe death to save cost, but wouldn't it be the exact opposite? If financial gain is the ultimate motive, wouldn't the hospitals and the doctors want the sick patients to fight to the very end? because every medical resource still have margins on them to make money each time they are used. Insurers might want to cut cost by telling their clients to off themselves to save money, but doesn't that already happen in the states with insurances not covering required procedures through loopholes and third party panels?

Pineapple Scuddleduck

As someone with a Catholic grandma who is 99 years old and literally asks god to take her it's pretty easy to feel like assisted dying is a positive thing.

Kaylie's World of Stories

Assisted Death, in a strange way, helped my uncle live longer. Before it was given to him as an option, he was going to just kill himself while he had the ability to do so, so that he wouldn't have to go through losing his ability to do things and the pain. But the doctors helped him made a plan for it that he could put into action whenever he was ready to finally go. And he got to live an extra four years because of it. Because he knew that when he was ready, when the pain became too much and when he was stuck in bed for too long, that he would be safe and allowed to go. I think that story in particular stuck with me so much because it's true for a lot of things. Giving people a safe way to do something that might be "harmful" means they'll do so safer and when they're actually ready, instead of taking the action in an unsafe way.

Eira

The Organic Law for the Regulation of Euthanasia in Spain and the Assisted Dying Bill in the UK requires a multidisciplinary expert panel (for the UK including a lawyer, social worker, and psychiatrist) who must unanimously agree. If it's found that the patient's decision is motivated from feeling like a burden at any stage it will not go through. The entire process is required to be overseen by a trained medical practitioner who is expressly forbidden to take any action to end the person's life. It's a long process with continual psychological evaluations to check for any form of coercion and the patient must confirm at every stage. It's not a quick easy process to relieve a burden.

Eira

I think it should not be recommended or suggested but it should be given as an option alongside alternatives (pain management, palliative care, therapy, symptoms relief, etc)

Sebastian Alveteg

I think it was from the perspective of goverment funded healthcare where there would be different incentives

Themata

I watched my Dad decline due to an aggressive form of ALS, a disease which in essence prevents your body from fixing itself. Every day is the best your body will be for the rest of your life. Within a year he went from a sharp, creative, capable person I knew my entire life, to a wheelchair bound husk who couldn’t speak and needed help to accomplish the smallest of tasks. It was heartbreaking. I doubt he would have taken the option, but giving him the choice to end things before it turned for the worst would have been wonderful. I wish I didn’t have the final memories of my dad being a shadow of the man he once was. That would absolutely be the choice I would make in order to be able to say goodbye on my own terms when I still have my faculties and can prevent diluting the memories of my loved ones.

Ellie Teller

Do we know whether or not the assisted dying numbers being higher in Quebec is due to a it suddenly being available, there's that one stat about divorce everyone always claims but if you look at the actual chart there was a n increase for a while because it had just become available before settling to more reasonable numbers

Char11

Assisted dying seems like such a no-brainer to me I think the controversy stems almost exclusively from people's fear of death. But at the end of the day everyone's gonna die eventually, and being able to choose how you die in a way that minimises pain and suffering just seems like the overwhelmingly obvious humane choice to make. I definitely do think that in the future people will look back on this and be outraged that we would just let the sick and elderly suffer in life rather than be granted relief in death. And yes, while you can argue about the implementation, that's true for all healthcare. It doesn't change the fact that it should exist.

tuggway

I am cautiously sceptical about assisted dying. I hear a lot of rhetoric supporting it and although i do understand there are many positive cases where you can justify it i feel like people arent thinking whats next. We have never really had a system like this in the scale that countries/governments are pushing for. What happens when we get negative cases, what would be the severity/quantity, what if we get unnecessary deaths? What if we find that this disproportionally affects people of different race/ethnicity, socio-economic class, or gender? I hear talk of maid being extended to people with mental illness, its excluded if you dont already have a qualifying physical condition and I dont believe we’ll ever allow that but i cant help but feel suspicious. If it were allowed what of the same about disproportionally affecting certain groups of people? What if someone gets bullied into maid? (As an aside there are definitely going to be people sending maid application forms as an insult, like 100%.) I think if implemented well it could be a net positive to society, and it would certainly help with life planning. Im honestly considering maiding myself in my 80s or something, though ig ill never know when i need it if i need it. 1/20 deaths in canada is a bit shoking but thinking about it and looking into it, 95% of those deaths were considered terminal so it should be mostly people who were already at the end of their lives. Im just afraid it wont be implemented well, or malicious groups/organization will take advantage in some way or change things for the worse. I hope its going to be implemented well and the people who need it can get a peaceful death they deserve but nobody can predict the future.

Brudouille

My mother is a home care nurse in Montreal and she helps doctors with MAID. She prepares everything at the patient's house before the doctor comes and administers the drugs. This is something she does a few times a week at most. She's definitely in favor of MAID but disagrees with the widening of the criteria required to get the procedure (most of the doctors she works with also disagree). She says that patients are now too quick to choose assisted death. As soon as they get a cancer diagnosis, they ask for it right away even if they can still live a lot longer. MAID can be really hard on family members since they know the exact date and time of when their relative will die. It's also really hard on the doctors and nurses who perform the procedure. The doctors she works with usually don't book any other appointments when they have a MAID to do on a certain day, since it's a lot to deal with mentally. I've even seen my mom come back from work on the verge of tears a few times. She also said that 5 out of the 17 doctors she works with simply refuse to do it. If a patient requests it, they'll transfer them to another doctor who is open to it. The criteria might be wider, but they're still really strict. Two different doctors have to approve it, and they even pay attention to the words the patient uses when requesting it. If they don't use decisive words or if they show any sign of hesitation, the doctor won't approve it. As to why Quebec is so open to it, she said it has a lot to do with the fact that most people aren't religious here, so the vast majority of people are a lot more open-minded on that subject. I've asked her about the point that Atrioc made about the fact that the government is financially benefiting from MAID. She personally doesn't think this is an issue, since the government has no control over the doctors who review and approve assisted death. She also said that the doctors she works with don't care about the cost of offering healthcare to patients, so the doctors themselves have no incentive to push or suggest MAID to save money for the government (they can only list it as an option, not recommend it). Personally, I feel like this is true, but the government is still the one choosing the criteria required for MAID, so in a way, they can still have control over the number of people choosing this option, which definitely makes me kind of uncomfortable.

Jackson Walsh

Maybe I’m just cold-hearted but Tucker is still a Reagan Republican, the exact lukewarm “small government” Christian bullshit that got us into this mess, AND Hunter Biden is still a crackhead who got rich off his dad’s name and goodwill. Loving your son doesn’t make you a good dad, and being there for an adult doesn’t mean you raised them well. Tucker, Candace, Hunter and Joe are people and deserve some basic level of respect, decency and compassion, but that doesn’t mean they deserve to have any platform or influence. Their actions should speak for themselves, and none of them were (or have become) good people.

scarvnarv

meta glasses (mass surveillance devices) being your most ethical product is something…..

Nick Nadon

In British Columbia, assisted death is also offered to people with depression and other mental health issues. As I understand it, if they have tried to work on their mental health long enough and tried enough options, assisted suicide can then be offered by a doctor.

Lowell

Just to chime in on MAID- my mom had ALS a few years ago. Treatment is very limited, and while it's a case by case basis, you're typically in hospice and signing your DNR by year 3 or so. There's also haven't been any substantive breakthroughs in years and the federal research grants were all Doge'd. And not to get too morbid, but we had conversations about how a MAID equivalent should be an option in Illinois.

Matt R

I’m a Canadian healthcare worker. I don’t work in palliative care and I don’t live in Quebec. But MAID is legal where I live and I have only ever seen it been done compassionately and with thorough consideration from patients, their loved ones, and their medical providers. The minimizing harm argument aside, autonomy is another ethical pillar of the hippocratic oath. MAID gives people the ability to weigh what would be most harmful to them: compassionate death or life while suffering. Patients can choose in close consideration with their doctor what minimizes their risk of harm. Furthermore, the notion that MAID should be prohibited based on the hypothetical that the government would influence doctors to manipulate their patients into killing themselves is truly dystopian. I don’t know what the relationship is like between doctors and insurance companies in the USA. But for obvious reasons, Canadian physicians aren’t incentivized to provide poorer quality healthcare in order to cut costs to the state. Keeping the opinions of medical providers ethical is embedded into both state and regulatory legislation across multiple levels. I think it may be ethically dubious to imply that the reason MAID is so popular in Quebec is that doctors are manipulating their patients into ending their lives. In my opinion, it borderlines on fear mongering. I think if you spoke with the loved ones of those who have passed using MAID, you would quickly realize this isn’t happening. If your suggestion is that we should legislatively ensure the physician-patient relationship remains independent of financial gain, I am obviously in favour. I find the idea of robbing sick and dying people of their choice to die with dignity based on a hypothetical conspiracy to be morally abhorrent. Apologies if my take is inflammatory in any way. I’m passionate about people’s right to choose and I’m proud to work with such an incredible medical team.

Malcolm

Hi guys, Thought I’d chime in here. My grandfather committed medically assisted suicide last year. Sometime you mentioned on the episode is having to fulfill the intake of the drugs yourself - the doctor prescribed him a lethal dose of opiates (I believe, might’ve been a different compound) but he had to ingest the pills himself. Something that doesn’t get covered enough with MAS is keeping these pills down. He was unable to get assistance with ingesting them, had to take them all within a certain time period & they’re not small. Being able to receive an injection vs. pills brings about interesting discussions over “who actually owns responsibility for this action? The doctor? The patients?”

Omar Asad

Don’t do it Big A! Your Hair loss is probably reversible!

Thomas Fischbeck

Obviously I believe a human life is infinitely more valuable than an animal life, but the moral choice is the same. Should something/someone you love continue to suffer? As a society I think we broadly agree it is ok to choose to kill an animal/pet that will have no quality of life. If a human chooses that for themselves I don’t see how the moral calculation for society is different.

Thomas Fischbeck

As a society I think we broadly agree it is ok to choose to kill an animal/pet that will have no quality of life. Similarly if a human is comatose or on life support with little hope of survival a family member can already choose to end their life. If a human chooses that FOR THEMSELVES I don’t see how the moral calculation for society is different.

SaacAttaac

It’s interesting to critics the government hypothetically encouraging MAID when we already have private companies denying coverage to people to protect their bottom lines. That is happening right now and people are dying for it

Tanner Retzlaff

I love being an Iowan and constantly getting a shout out as the swing voter who matters the most.

ColeBuddy

As a Manitoban that is my exact thoughts on the subject, thank you for wording it so concisely

ColeBuddy

Beautifully written.

Leon

For me my Grandma dementia, leading eventually broken hip, eventually refusing to eat, bedrodden not able to move and so its hard not to say there is some value in some situations where its not much left. of course its a uncomfortable topic and hard thing to argue since of the potential misuse and burden, but talking about death is never been an easy thing for anyone

GT

I think not bothering to research the actual requirements and rules on assisted dying in canada and/or quebec before discussing it makes this a wasted discussion. The guys are debating on hypotheticals they don't even know are the case.

Andrew Hamrick

My father and sister are both in the medical field and I think "Do no harm" is frequently misunderstood by people outside of the medical field. The more accurate way to describe it would be, "Do as little harm as possible". Cutting open the human body for surgery is doing harm. You're damaging the tissue where you're operating and opening up the possibility of infection. However, surgery is frequently done because the harm of doing surgery is often less than the harm of not doing surgery. In the same vein, medically assisted suicide is harmful, but the more important question is, is it less harmful than doing nothing. Atrioc brought up the point about incentives being misaligned (save money by pushing assisted death), but you could make the same arguments about all treatments now. Hospitals have incentives to push longer more expensive care, but it's ultimately on the doctor to decide care and defend it as necessary.

Doubster

My mum is currently suffering with MS she has wanted to end her life for a number of years already but has had to continue suffering because there isn't an option in the UK unless you have enough money to go to Switzerland. I think this is such a polarising issue because a lot of people against it would never need to use it anyway. I see so often people arguing against assisted dying who are able bodied healthy people with moral or financial arguments against assisted dying. It's like someone who has never touched a cigarette in their life saying "why don't we just ban them I don't get it" people really struggle to have more than a 1 dimensional take on this topic