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Promise Keepers: 700,000 Dicks Out for Jesus [ILL CONCEIVED Episode 1] (Patreon)

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2025-06-20 17:00:13
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2026-06

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This is the first episode of Ill Conceived, a new podcast from Josh Boerman of The Worst of All Possible Worlds and June Sternbach of Western Kabuki. Get new episodes every Friday in your favorite podcast client:

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Josh and June take a look at Promise Keepers, the organization that massed 700,000 men on the National Mall in Washington, DC for a 1997 rally that promised to bring spiritual renewal to its attendees and a new order to the social health of the country. While they didn't quite pull off the fundamental transformation they were hoping for, Promise Keepers left a significant impact on the evangelical Christian psyche. And somehow, they're still around today, desperately trying to convince the world of their definition of fatherhood and family.

SOURCES:

The First Promise Keepers Event: Witnessing the Power of God" by David Roadcup

Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation by Kristin Kobes du Mez

Seven Promises of a Promise Keeper by Bill McCartney et al.

"Promise Keepers pledge to move from stadium rallies to the marketplace" by Adelle Banks, Religion News Service

"New Promise Keepers CEO ready to see a revival among men" by Maina Mwaura, The Christian Index

"Promise Keepers Pour Into The Nation's Capital" (CNN, 1997)

"The Promise Keepers Opens Its Doors To Women" (NPR, 2009)

AUDIO CLIPS:

6:18 – Bill McCartney in a profile by WXYZ-TV Detroit (September 24, 1994)

32:46 – Norm MacDonald on Saturday Night Live Weekend Update (October 4, 1997)

33:23 – Joseph Garlington, Promise Keepers worship leader, at the 1997 Stand in the Gap rally

34:55 – Patricia Ireland, president of the National Organization for Women, on Charlie Rose (October 3, 1997)

36:31 – Huron Claus, Native American Christian evangelist, at the 1997 Stand in the Gap rally

38:00 – Bill McCartney, Promise Keepers founder, on Larry King Live (October 7, 1997)

47:49 – Shane Winnings, current Promise Keepers CEO, on Morning Joe (April 3, 2025)

50:50 – Web trailer for Wake-Up Call, the 2025 Promise Keepers in-person summit in Yakima

FOLLOW THE SHOW:

Website: illconceivedpodcast.com

Bluesky: @ill-conceived-pod.bsky.social

Tumblr: @illconceivedpod

FOLLOW JOSH:

Website: joshboerman.com

Bluesky: @bosh.worstpossible.world

Other podcast: The Worst of All Possible Worlds

Stream: Traditional Scrench

FOLLOW JUNE:

Bluesky: @junlper.beer

Other podcast: Western Kabuki

Writing: June's Substack

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Jacob Reynolds

My dad did the Promise Keepers stuff. Excited to hear this. He tried to get me to go with his group to stand in the gap, but I remember him telling me that a younger guy that went with him was impressed by the musicians there and I thought "ok, sure."

Tove

Yo i didnt reallze this was gonna be on this feed and was sad about it This rules!!!

Sawyer Norquist

I got food poisoning at a Promise Keepers rally as a young teen! I can't wait to listen...

D4rksh0gun

Banger first EP. I've been so excited and it delivered. I'm stoked it's going to be combo history and modern news. Excellent work

NowhereMan661

The point about the dialectical struggle between the meekness and servitude of Christianity and the dominating aggression of masculinity was really interesting to me. The way that these sorts of people try to redefine a patriarchal family structure ruled by the male father figure as being a form of servitude really reminds me of how a lot of men today who still hold these patriarchal views feel like they are entitled to respect and power for preforming these masculine roles. They are told that they must be men, and that if they do all these things to uphold the system they will be rewarded with their tradwife, adoring children, suburban house, stable job, and praise, and when these things don't come, because that's not how society works, they feel like they've been betrayed or lied to, and become even more reactionary.

Kevin M

The show is off to a great start! An interesting story, a good format, and a banger theme song. Instant subscribe. My main takeaway was how often the far right focus on masculinity and the separating of men and women leads back to these oddly homo-erotic tendancies. Like downstream of the promise keepers is "fellas, is it gay to want to have sex with your wife?"

Karl Childers

that was fun but i gotta say it seemed only tenuously connected to natalism, hoping for much deeper dives on the main subject in upcoming episodes. i wanna hear about FREAKS & imo the silicon valley techlord natalists absolutely must be included. they're coming from a completely different place than the evangelicals and yet it all leads to the same destination, MAGA.

Serkles

My first thought when seeing the title was "promisekeepers? are they related to oathkeepers?". Also not sure I understand the homo-erotic angle here, to me the feelings these men have for one another would be best characterised as fraternal love rather than anything sexual. Would love to know more if I am missing something.

Karl Childers

no doubt in my mind that this kind of group attracts closeted dudes like flies, the organization itself wasn't deliberately gay but pure statistics dictates that there was quite a bit of sucking each other off in the bathroom then praying about it going on

Zipzapzop

Can’t wait for the vision forum episode