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Mattie Lubchansky (Boys Weekend, Simplicity) and the lads grab their cow as white as milk, their cape as red as blood, their hair as yellow as corn, their slipper as pure as gold, and feed a potion to a rapping witch as they cover Stephen Sondheim and James Lapine’s 1986 fairy tale musical: Into the Woods. Topics include the massive reworking of the second act, the many allegations against the Big Bad Wolf, and how Sondheim’s most lucrative musical might also be his best.

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Media Referenced in this Episode:

Into the Woods. Music and Lyrics by Stephen Sondheim. Book by James Lapine. 1986.

Bernadette Peters and Original Into the Woods Cast Recall Untold Stories, Backstage Memories and Standouts With Sondheim by Adam Hetrick. Playbill. November 25th, 2014.

From "Boom Crunch" to "The Last Midnight": How Into the Woods Transformed Throughout the Years by Logan Culwell-Block. Playbill. November 19th, 2014.

Look, I Made a Hat: Collected Lyrics (1981-2011) with Attendant Comments, Amplifications, Dogmas, Harangues, Digressions, Anecdotes and Miscellany by Stephen Sondheim. Penguin Random House. 2011.

Into the Woods: A conversation with Sondheim and Lapine – 1991 PBS TV

Into the Woods - MTI Conversation Piece with Stephen Sondheim and James Lapine

Into the Woods SR. at Lenox Hill

TWOAPW theme by Brendan Dalton: Patreon // brendan-dalton.com // brendandalton.bandcamp.com

Interstitial: “There’s a Chance You Might Be Bi” // Music by Stephen Sondheim // Lyrics by A.J. Ditty // Featuring A.J. Ditty as “Himself”

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Zipzapzop

I am so excited Narrator was my first “real” role on stage this brings me back

GentlegearMark

I never want to be the um actually guy, but in my experience with shows with huge opening numbers Titanic the musical has Into the Woods beat by at least a few minutes (based on contiguous music expected to be played without pause). Btw, would love you to do an episode on Yeston and Titanic specifically, I'm directing the show next year and your episode on Assassin's really helped when I played Booth earlier this year 😁

Laaren

I never laughed harder at an twoapw intermission

P.A.L.

SMH listing all of Mattie's podcasts and not listing that she is also all three hosts of Kill James Bond (IYKYK) Seriously though, Mattie is a delight on every other podcast I hear her show up on so this was a great one.

Loquin Britton-Herndon

Sign off: Who had a high school production of Into the Woods? I did!

Hugh Kearney

Regarding the discussion of good not being nice, I am reminded of Granny Weatherwax, for whom that distinction is essentially her raison d'etre.

Mariana Trench

I played Jack’s Mum! I was 18, and it was my last show with my youth theatre. I smoked a fake cigarette through the whole show and definitely made contact with the side of Jack’s head everytime I had to pretend to slap him.

Rose

oh my god the end

LogalogJack

My theater group did Into The Woods Jr when I was 17, I was the Stepmother (I auditioned for the Baker and Jack and got neither because I was born a girl lmao). I got to palm a couple pieces of flesh-colored plastic and then throw them across the stage as I cut the Sisters’ feet—always fun to make the audience gasp. I had what I thought was a crush on the Baker but it turns out it was just gender envy 💔 The full musical is in my top three of all time, might be number one (depending on the day) Also has a special tie to D20 Neverafter for me.

Zipzapzop

You HAVE to do bat boy I am begging you

june

I had a second where I was like, "Haven't they already done Into the Woods?" but actually I was just remembering the 43234543345 musical drops in the Alan Wake episode (which were great and funny every single time, ftr)

Derek W

AJ’s interstitials are a fucking national treasure.

NowhereMan661

THEY'RE MAKING A HAMILTON MOVIE?!

Laura Platt

I saw the Open Air Theatre Regent's Park production when I was in high school, and it pretty much changed my entire life path from mathematics to composing music. Listened to this episode, sobbed, discovered there was a recorded version of that production, watched it, wept. It's been a difficult year and I really needed this, thank you so, so much.

Leo Fie

The lowbudgetmilkywhite tumblr blog still exists. Doing theater in school looks fun.

Max

Incredible song and just as incredible lead in/fake out. Splendid work AJ, Dr Samuel Bultch DDS would be so proud of you.

Emily

We did the Jr version in high school. Not sure if we fudged to ages to get it but we did it.

Michael Morgan

There kind of already is a Hamilton extended MCU - the PBS Cartoon Libertys Kids that has an absolute BANGER on an intro song

Philipp Conner

Nice touch using Echoes as the music when mentioning Phantom!

Camoose

I graduated in 06 and was involved in my schools theater club as the lighting guy. I remember we did Grease and Footloose the following year. I think I still have a scar from the old house lights.

Kyle Cassidy

Guys, please do more musical theatre eps. Not only are they genuinely insightful about the shows themselves, it's a category of pop culture ephemera which is critically underexplored in this sociopolitical podcast neighborhood, so to speak. Also I need one more hit! Just one more hit, just a Pacific Overtures and I'll be good.

I Love Brian Alford's Bible Corner

I saw this staged when I was 23 and was pretty blown away. I was just beginning my teaching career, newly married, etc. Young as I was, it still resonated though looking back from 40, I wish I'd taken more of it to heart. The baker's song at the end is more painful at 40 than it was at 23, and it hurt a lot back then.

Bridger Young

Not a theatre person, never have. In fact I'd say I hate musicals. That said, the episodes you guys do about them are some of my favorites, I learn a lot about things I never would have from some of the best boys. Seeing Mattie I'm on this episode made my day better. There's not much of a better fit to the guys than the No Gods gals. Thanks for another banger episode.

John Leavitt

A certain Noah is a major fan of that musical

Thomas Hopwood

Was that a Dalton Deschain reference within the first sekond with a kay?

John Leavitt

I’ve come to the conclusion the major film adaptation wasn’t what Into The Woods needed it was a mid CW show basing an episode around it

J

AJ, did you make your spouse make all those buzzing noises for your parody bee musical number at the end?

Nicole Pitts

I like musicals fine but I love when y’all talk about them. But this one is special. I’ve never heard Into the Woods, but the second I heard the prologue I was hooked. I’ve listened to the cast recording several times since the show dropped. I think I have a new favorite

Leo Fie

I find it so silly when Jungians talk about fairytales as somehow universal, when only a small percentage of people has ever heard of Cinderella and Co, and that if anything is because of marketing, for disney and for the Grimms. But hey, it was Jungians, of course it's gonna be bullshit.

Ghostly

Being defined by all the things I didn’t do is my biggest fear, but I can’t seem to really do anything else. My job I hate takes up too much energy, so I just want to shut off after I get home. And I can’t quit it because I’d like to not be homeless. The only chance I ever took resulted in the best person in my life becoming my fiance. I feel out of chances.

Ray Salinas

I showed my mother (a middle school theater teacher) this podcast and got stuck watching videos of her production of Into the Woods Junior from a few years ago.

Elizabeth Power

I can tell my brain has been rotted by Sondheim , because I heard the first chord of that “you’re always expecting rainbows” song and thought to myself “that’s the Johanna chord” Only a little ways in, but I’m nerding out right along with all of you in this episode. Robin Williams as the Baker would be great !

Elizabeth Power

Also, you mentioned the little night music from the New York City opera. That was show on PBS and is on YouTube too, I would love for you to watch it, because the music is nuts, and it also has the line readings of the century that you guys would love.

Jason Glickman

This was terrific! I saw both the 2002 and 2023 revivals and have seen the PBS recording many times. I really enjoyed this, but you guys are running out of Sondheim. How about an episode on The Last of Sheila? Please?