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Christian Vernon (Doors of Divergence) and the lads hop in a minecart and make for Boiler Island as they cover Cyan World’s follow-up to one of the best-selling interactive games of all time: Riven. Topics include the friction of the puzzles, the brilliance of John Keston, and what it means to craft the greatest puzzle game ever made at the cost of keeping your creative team intact.

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TWOAPW theme by Brendan Dalton: Patreon // brendan-dalton.com // brendandalton.bandcamp.com

Interstitial: “The Silver Scepter: Chapters 6-8” // Written by A.J. Ditty (circa 1998) // Performed by A.J. Ditty (circa 2026)

Episode edited by Brian Alford. Interstitial edited by A.J. Ditty. Produced and hosted by Josh Boerman, A.J. Ditty, and Brian Alford. This podcast was recorded under a SAG-AFTRA Agreement.

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LogalogJack

60 seconds and we get a reference to my favorite Brian bit of all time? This is for me specifically

Annie Spooky

Oh my god the JumpStart games, would it be too hard to get a JumpStart episode? Lmao

JayDubYuhh

Defunctland mentioned 👁

JayDubYuhh

What is this? A leather bar?

Philipp Conner

Two fire game eps in a row, to what media gods do we pay tribute? Thank you all for the killer work, it has been a beacon.

David Lee

This is the one I'm really excited about... In a lot of ways the whole MYST episode I'm sure is basically necessary background knowledge for really appreciating this one

LogalogJack

I think the tribute was ao3 😔 worth it tho

Lore Cox

It was very fun to hear the Galley House mention because I had just played that myself two days ago. Also Torin's Passage, since I loved that one as a kid.

ChigBungus

Fuck that’s gonna be stuck in my head for awhile. Maybe forever

Red Ash VA

I am now learning there is a constructed language in the game I have played 80 hours of….

James Cézanne-Taipale

Okay so there was this mod in Minecraft that added the ability to write ages and have linking books and all that. I was Gen. I’m just making new ages for the resources. How dare you guys call me out on it like this. Also there’s a new one somebody is making called Mystcraft Reborn but it’s still a work in progress.

FelineJay

Scratch is the size of an average robot chicken

StephieF

Omegamart in Las Vegas manages to capture that immersive interactive puzzle solving experience pretty well I think. What's neat about it though is that the puzzles you solve won't immediately unlock story beats for you necessarily, they'll change something for players in a totally different part of the world. For example, without getting too spoilery, there are announcements and videos playing in the supermarket periodically. There's something players can do that will switch out which videos and announcements get played, but if you're just entering the experience you probablt won't even notice it's happening and if you do you won't understand how or why. It's so awesome.