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We watched this on Disney+. You will need your own copy of the movie in order to watch along with us.

PLEASE NOTE: This movie features a mid-credits scene AND a post-credits scene. As the mid-credits scene ends, you will see the timer become a countdown. When that timer hits 0:00, we hit the "Skip Credits" button and it took us directly to the post-credits scene.

https://youtu.be/69fkI0ipUgY

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Thor: The Dark World Full Length Reaction

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Nathan Jasper

What a good pupper :) I enjoy this Thor more than the first, mainly for the banter between Thor and Loki and between Jane and Darcy. I think one of the complaints people had was the villain malekith was forgettable but like Drew pointed out, what you remember from the first one is Loki not Laufey. So really, I'd argue that Laufey is far more forgettable. He was more a placeholder villain whereas in this one you had Malekith chasing the Aether, which as it turns out, is quite important, and could have had legit consequences universally. Anyway, so excited for the next...well all of them lol literally one hit after the next.

Francesca Langer

Great commentary! I think this film is severely underrated tbh. One thing I'm not sure if y'all were clear on: When Frigga appears to Loki in his cell, it's not an illusion Loki is making, it's her projecting herself. Frigga has the same magic powers as Loki, she is the one who taught him. Edit: Odin is only superficially presented as a 'wise king' archetype in the first movie, but if you pay close attention, the subtext of the Thor series is that Odin is kind of the villain. His harshness in this film is not really a contradiction, it's just revealing more of his character.

FunnyNFarbsy

Oh that’s interesting about Frigga and Odin! I guess with 2 movies featuring Odin down, which movie better displays his true character is definitely more uncertain.

Francesca Langer

This is just my opinion on the Thor series, but I will be interested to see what you think after watching the third one. I think if you analyze the Thor films closely, they are not the simple high fantasy good vs. evil story they appear to be on the surface, but a morally complex Shakespearean drama about power, politics, historical memory, and the legacy of conquest. I will not give any spoilers for the third film, this is just my reading of the first two: Thor (2011) -The Nine Realms are kept in line by the equivalent of nuclear deterrence: The Bifrost is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction, a combination Death Star and Panopticon that allows the Æsir to travel anywhere in the Nine Realms over which they maintain almost total surveillance via the gatekeeper Heimdall. When it reaches full power, the Bifrost can be used as a giant laser to destroy any planet it’s aimed at. Asgardian foreign policy is driven by planet-destroying doomsday devices and Asgard’s need to maintain a monopoly on them. Asgard has zero tolerance for anyone else trying to gain access to this kind of power. -I think Odin’s opening monologue describing the Æsir-Jötun War is basically Asgardian propaganda. He claims the Jöntar attacked Midgard for no apparent reason, and the Æsir had to take the Casket of Ancient Winters away from the Jötuns in order to stop them. We accept the movie logic that scary-looking bad guys do evil things for no reason, but usually wars are more complicated than that. What are the Jötuns' actual motives? We don't get their side of the story. Other than Odin’s word, we are never given any real reason to think Asgard are the good guys in this conflict. The enemies of Asgard are presented as strange barbarians who do evil things for inscrutable reasons, but the overwhelming subtext throughout the series is that the Æsir are imperialist aggressors who are not giving us the full story. -The inciting incident is that three Jötuns sneak into Odin’s weapons vault to try to take back the Casket of Ancient Winters and are instantly killed by the Destroyer, another Asgardian weapon. The vault is full of what Loki later calls ‘stolen relics’ (including himself) from around the Nine Realms. So are all these artifacts stolen? Did Odin plunder them? The plot of the film occurs because the Æsir stole a powerful relic that belongs to the Jötnar and the Jötnar want it back, because without it, their world is falling apart. The Æsir sit on a mountain of gold behind the protection of their giant super laser, while their adversaries struggle to pull off tiny guerilla raids against them. The conflict is extremely asymmetrical, with Asgard possessing an overwhelming military and technological advantage. -The Æsir portray the Jötnar as mindless, bloodthirsty orcs, but when we actually meet them on screen, they’re just people. Laufey King is actually pretty reasonable and willing to let Thor go in peace when he invades their planet. It is Thor who escalates the conflict because he just wants an excuse to start randomly massacring Jötuns. And the reason Thor is like this, is the ideology he was raised with. -Thor and Loki are raised in an Æsir-supremacist culture. Thor grows up fantasizing about killing all the Jötuns, and while Odin admonishes him that ‘A wise king never seeks out war,’ he never corrects Thor’s violent, anti-Jötun attitude, even though he knows that Loki is a Jötun and will grow up hating his own kind. Odin wants to prevent a war because it will endanger Asgardian lives, not because he cares about the Jötuns. Now, I’m not saying Odin is just a villain, he’s very complex. He does love Loki, despite his anti-Jötun bias. One imagines that in his youth he was a lot like the hot-headed, war-mongering Thor, and now that he’s older and wiser he’s trying to be more benevolent. But he’s still a product of this imperialistic culture. -Non-Æsir beings are either described as ‘creatures’ and ‘monsters’ the Æsir must eliminate, or as weak ‘mortals’ the Æsir must protect. Both Thor and Loki have this view shaken, and the narrative follows their different trajectories as they are suddenly thrust out of the golden bubble of their childhood and into a larger and more complex world. Thor is banished to Midgard, where he is forced to rely on the help of humans and to experience life without his powers, beginning his character arc of realizing non-Asgardian lives have value. Meanwhile, Loki learns he is an adopted foundling Jötun and the biological son of Laufey King, and veers hard in the opposite direction. Odin took baby Loki for political reasons, the implication being that he intended to somehow install him as a puppet king of Jötunheimr in order to bring Jötunheimr under Asgard’s control. Loki is a self-hating Jötun who passes as Æsir because of a magical glamour Odin placed on him. His story arc is very analogous to real life scenarios in which children from colonized peoples have been stolen/adopted/assimilated into the dominant culture and raised to hate their own heritage, leading to trauma and shame. He tries to resolve his cognitive dissonance and prove he is a true Asgardian by turning the Bifrost laser on Jötunheimr until Thor stops him. Thor, who previously wanted to kill all Jötuns, has learned the lesson that non-Asgardians are people too, not from Odin, but from Jane and the other humans. In the climactic confrontation between them, Thor says “You can’t kill an entire race!” and Loki laughs, anguished and crazed, “Why not?” -Loki didn’t just make the leap to genocide out of nowhere; He thinks killing an entire race is what will win him Odin’s approval for a reason. Why does he think this? Maybe it was all the stories he heard growing up about how glorious it was to kill ‘Frost Giants.’ This is the tragic culmination of Odin’s terrible parenting. He pitted his sons against each other, telling them ‘only one of you can ascend to the throne, but both of you were born to be kings.’ His favoritism towards Thor made Thor arrogant and entitled, and Loki insecure and resentful. He caused this whole situation by lying to Loki about his heritage, and he never apologizes or takes responsibility for any of this. Thor: The Dark World (2013) -The Dark Elves are subtitled and speak a made-up elf language, while the Æsir speak English. This serves to orientalize them and tells the audience they are bad guys. But again, we never get their side of the story. They are even less developed than the Jötuns in some ways. We only see them from the Asgardian perspective. As a child, Thor is told a simplistic tale of good versus evil which he quotes in the film: ‘Born of eternal night, the Dark Elves come to steal away the light.’ That’s all he really knows about them, and that’s all he (and the audience) needs to know in order to hate them. Fantasy movie language tells us that attractive, gold-covered, European-coded Asgardians = good, while ugly, scary-looking, orientalized aliens = evil. But there is more going on under the surface. -In the opening monologue, Odin tells us the Dark Elf leader Malekith 'sacrificed his own people’ to try to win a losing battle. Later in the film, when Odin says he will sacrifice ‘to the last drop of Asgardian blood’ in order to defeat Malekith and avenge Frigga, Thor asks him ‘Then how are you different from Malekith?’ Odin says, ‘Ha! The difference, my son, is that I shall win!’ Might makes right? Thor, who idolized his father in the first film, is beginning to see his flaws. He also tells Jane ‘my father doesn’t know everything.’ We are seeing Thor mature. The more he ventures out into the wider world, beyond the simplistic stories he was told as a child, the more he (and the audience) begin to realize all is not what it seems. -Odin tells Loki ‘your birthright was to die as a child, cast out onto a frozen rock.’ Regardless of Loki’s crimes, this is an extremely abusive thing to say to your adopted son. But again, while I do think Odin loves Loki, he also mistreats him. He lied to Loki to ‘protect him from the truth’ because he sees the fact of Loki’s Jötun-ness as somehow shameful and something to be covered up. There is no good reason he couldn’t have told him from the beginning. Loki was utterly devastated by the revelation, but Odin never once apologizes for the lie. He stands by what he did to Loki, and in this film he is doubling down on it. Because Odin wanted Loki to assimilate, to become Asgardian. Again, this is reminiscent of real-life scenarios of adoption/kidnapping by conquerors of the conquered culture’s children. Odin can both love Loki as a son, and also have an anti-Jötun bias that causes him to treat him as lesser than Thor. -Odin tells us the Dark Elves are crazed suicide bombers who don’t even value their own people. Odin says they want the Æther, another powerful relic Asgard stole from them, so they can use it for some vague, never-explained evil. But how much can we trust Odin’s characterization of his enemies’ motives? At this point, we know Odin lies. We also learn in the course of the film that Odin’s father Borr lied about eradicating the Dark Elves and destroying the Æther, so again the opening monologue is revealed to be false propaganda. Borr lied to Odin, and Odin lies to his own children. This shows that the problem isn’t just Odin, it’s a pattern. Again, Odin isn’t evil, he’s a product of his upbringing, just as Loki and Thor are products of theirs. -When Thor brings Jane to Asgard, Odin is openly hostile to her, saying that a human ‘no more belongs in Asgard than a goat belongs at a banquet table.’ He talks about how Asgard is the ‘protector’ of the Nine Realms and promotes ‘peace and justice,’ but it’s clear that what he means by ‘peace and justice’ is Asgardian domination. As Loki tells Frigga in this film, when he invaded Midgard in the Avengers (2012) he was emulating Odin. We saw Loki strutting around on Earth, terrorizing the humans and calling them ‘ants.’ Where did he learn that from? Where did Thor learn it from in the first film? They both spent their childhoods vying for Odin’s approval and trying to be like him. Loki says to Frigga in this film that the lives he took on Earth were ‘a mere handful, compared to the number that Odin has taken himself.’ How did Odin get to be in charge of the Nine Realms in the first place? We have reason to suspect it was not a peaceful process.

Nathan Jasper

These were incredible breakdowns! I've seen all of the MCU through multiple times and even I'm learning stuff 😆 thank you for taking the time to write these

Francesca Langer

Ha, thank you! 😄 The Thor films are really my favorite part of them MCU, because I love the family melodrama.

Retro Tom

Iron man 3 was the end of the 6 movie deal marvel had signed with paramount prior to Disney buying Marvel. I don't know if was Marvel or Disney's idea, but this was the debut of the new marvel fanfare while the Fox & Sony stuff keep the old pages flipping logo, probably to further differentiate marvel Studios stuff from the Fox & Sony licensed stuff.