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The History of The Muppets (Part 6) | Animation Lookback (Patreon)

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2023-07-26 19:00:04
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Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.

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Justin Monti

I think it’s safe to say this was the start of the dark age of the Muppets. Muppets from Space- In my opinion one of the worst Muppet movies and the start of the dark age of the Muppets during the 2000s. Muppets Wizard of Oz- One of the weakest Wizard of Oz adaptations and not a great start to Disney's time with the Muppets. The Muppets Bohemian Rhapsody music video- An enjoyable music video and what really marked as the comeback of the Muppets. So next time we’re gonna get into the huge comeback of the Muppets during the 2010 decade which should be really interesting.

Hunter O'Laughlin

Honestly, if there’s a Disney remake that I’d want to see happen, it’d be a remake of The Muppets’ Wizard of Oz. So much potential for an adaptation to introduce the original Wizard of Oz novel by L. Frank Baum to a new generation that’s only familiar with the 1939 beloved MGM adaptation while maintaining both the magic and whimsy of the book and the zany humor of The Muppets, but completely wasted it by including those pop culture references, out-of-place celebrity cameos, awkward adult humor and casting Ashanti as Dorothy. Even if Diana Ross was miscast as Dorothy in the 1978 film adaptation of The Wiz, at least her performance was more believable than Ashanti’s. I think if they were to do a remake they should this time remove the pop culture references, adult humor and celebrity cameos, get a talented child actress who can both sing and act to play Dorothy, hire Kristen Anderson and Robert López to do the songs, and stay more truer to the spirit of The Muppets. The only thing that can stay the same is the film being more faithful to Baum’s book. As iconic and more well-known as the MGM film, I think it’d work better for the Muppets to just stick with the book and considering how well done their previous adaptations were with The Muppets Christmas Carol and Treasure Island while still maintaining the familiar Muppet elements, they can do the same with their own adaptation of L. Frank Baum’s book while also balancing some of the darker elements of Baum’s book as the book is definitely more darker than the MGM film. I highly doubt this would happen, but as Mr. Potato Head said: “Hey, I can dream, can I?”

Hunter O'Laughlin
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I highly doubt they’d do this, but I would love to see a remake of The Muppets Wizard of Oz more on par with The Muppet Christmas Carol and Muppet Treasure Island. They can still stick with adapting the book rather than the more beloved MGM film adaptation, but actually treat it with more respect while keeping that perfect balance of the magic and wonder of Baum’s book and the fun and zany humor of The Muppets, as well as just not having pop culture references, celebrity cameos, awkward adult humor and actually having a talented child actress play Dorothy. Don’t need to worry about having a celebrity. Just find a talented kid who can both sing and act. Like I’ve said, I highly doubt this will happen, but considering how well done The Muppets’ previous adaptations of classic literature were prior to Muppets Wizard of Oz and the lost potential of the latter, I feel like Muppets Wizard of Oz definitely deserved much better than what we ended up getting.

Luke Johnston

It looks like the next part may be the last episode (discounting honorable mentions) of the lookback. If not the last, it'll definitely be the penultimate one. In any case, next time should focus on, at the very least, The Muppets, Muppets Most Wanted, and The Muppets (the TV show). (Also, I really hope that Mat acknowledges The Muppets being on The Masked Singer--both times.)

Kenneth Stoddard

Before getting into talking about Muppets From Space. There are a few notes that are worth talking about in making of this movie. One was Kristine Belsen because she used to work with the Jim Henson Company and served as executive producer for this movie who later on worked at DreamWorks for a few projects including being a producer for the first How to Train Your Dragon movie and now at Sony Pictures Animation where she is now the president of that animation studio and help change things around for the better like Spiderverse for example. Second, there was a little sick girl who had cancer worked on a set to play the little lamb over at the breakfast table immediately after the Brick House song sequence, which she got a chance to keep the puppet at the end as part of the foundation attribute of helping kids that has cancer. Three is that this along with Elmo in Grouchland was filmed at Wilmington, North Carolina which is cool because as North Carolinian myself, I do appreciate that both of these films were filmed there at the time. Finally, Lisa Henson was the head of Columbia Pictures at the time that ends up being to why the Jim Henson Company wanted to work with Sony at the time. Other than that, I just want to say that I like this movie and thought it was good. Sure it no where near as good with other previous films now that seen all of the them but it was good. Keep in mind that this is from someone has nostalgia for this film and was one of the very first films I saw as a very little kid on top with being introduced to the Muppets I the first place. With that said, I thought this movie worked well with an interesting idea of having Gonzo centered movie instead of Kermit this time as it reminds me of Rugrats in Paris where it focuses on the other popular beloved character that searches for what he wants the most in his life. Yeah some would feel that it out of character to do so but it was interesting to find out his origins even if it non canon. Some of the Muppets characters like Pepe were fun with Pepe steals the movie for me. Some of the parodies can work as a way to poke fun of sci fi movies. And I thought a few cameos like David Arquette from the Scream movies and Ray Liotta worked who the latter we should give in peace to him given he passed away recently too. For my negatives, yeah it sucked not to have Muppets songs which don’t get me wrong, I do like some 70s songs in there like the new version of Shining Star and Celebration were fun, some of the charm were missing, and some of the celebrities including the main character and villain played by Jeffery Tambor were weak too. Still though I enjoy this movie more than most people and fans were giving it because I don’t believe that this is weakest of the Muppet projects I seen. That should be given to Muppets Wizard of Oz film. Even though I haven’t seen other TV films or projects other than the one that NBC special, but to me feel the weakest. For someone that grew up with the 1939 original classic even it not connected to that film, it still sucked. Yeah Muppets performance and one song that got an Emmy nomination was decent, but I hate the rest with Ashanti’s performance and character, out of place cameos like Quentin Tarantino of all people, too much adult humor, terrible cgi which is one of the most dated cgi I ever seen even for a TV film, and characters don’t feel like themselves even. So if I were to place worst than Muppets From Space, it would have to be the Wizard of Oz special because this is low by Muppets standards. Look I get why many of you don’t like Muppets From Space but I personally enjoyed it out of nostalgia and don’t think it deserves all that hate it gotten. It should be given to either Wizard of Oz special or that Santa letter special in my opinion but it is what it is I just hope you guys understand my appreciation and opinion about all this.

Trenton Girone

I’m surprised you covered this, given a reply of yours I read in the Muppets Most Wanted review, stating that no one talks about the dark era. This is good info.

Joshua Copelan

After seeing this part in the Muppets history I can see why this was a dark age for the Muppets (I guess the 2000's was a dark period of transition for alot of recognizable media at the time [which I am including Disney Animation and Western Hand Drawn animated features]). Now for my personal feelings for some of the projects I really do appreciate Muppets from Space and the movie that wasn't mentioned all that much Elmo in Grouchland, as they have their own charm and I do have some nostalgia. But really, the Muppets are going to forget what happened in that movie and pretend that it doesn't exist. I can't wait to see how the 2010's were for the Muppets when we got to The Muppet Movie (2011) which I deem it one of my favorite Muppet movies. though not as highly emotional as the first, I still have a good time with it in a similar manner as The Great Muppet Caper and The Muppets take Manhattan.

Kenneth Stoddard
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I find the Muppets Wizard of Oz project to be the weakest in my opinion as I feel like they low by Muppets standards on top of being one of the worst Wizard of Oz adaptations I seen. Granted, Dorthy’s Return animated film is might be worst than this because it had more potential but because of how it so low that I rather rewatch Muppet From Space than this.