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17-96 (Patreon)

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2023-02-22 04:40:14
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2026-06
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Not the happiest interaction but the memory of it drives Sette to keep trying to grow into something that'll make Da happy, so he'll never think about doing this again.

No doubt Nary is a piece of work but he's always really interested me. There is something in him that pushes back so hard against what he was born into. He doesn't necessarily want to take this brat to better places alongside him, but he does see her struggle and her suffering. That's the part of her that he recognises as familiar; as family. And if she's his, she'll make her way.

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Madison

I can see why this is one of Sette's worst memories.

Fitzy

Nary is completely wrong in hurting Sette here but I get what he's feeling. Patriarchal standards suck for everyone, including most of the men involved.

Winters King

huh... Well this is interesting in a lot of ways. The most obvious would be that this entire scene could be the explanation for why Sette stopped growing up. She is instictually afraid of changing into someone who her Da would deem "Weak" and so rather than risk that, once she settled into something comfortable, that her Da seemingly was satisfied with, she stopped changing... Which in turn became the bigger Problem and would in turn Become the biggest danger in regards to him possibly rejecting her. I might be completely off the mark and we'll get another reason later, but i Genuinely think this would be a very interesting and ironic reason for it. Also building on what i said last time, this page further builds on the idea that abusive relationships never really begin with one person. In this case, Nart tries to be "Granny"(Though wheter he's refering to his own grandmother or Sette's Gran isnt clear. im guessing the latter just due to irony with her an sette being on good terms), And strangle the freak to put it out of it's misery. He is doing what is the "Proper" thing to do in both his society and his own family. But the facinating thing is, he cant do it. Because Nary is his father's son. He hims and haws about being his gran, doing the hard thing, and put an end to the creature's suffering, but in the end, Big bad Nary Frumagen proves that he is not truly cut out for this, no more than his Da was. Instead, just like he did when Sette's mom tried to drown her, he chooses his humanity. It's not a coincidence that the panel where Nary's hand closes around Sette's Neck has the exact same flashes of red that Nary killing his wife did, and the following panel as the will to go through with the deed has that red vanish in the white as Nary ultimately chooses to make the same choice he did back then. Embrace his humanity, embrace the fact that he is Sette's Dad, and as her dad, he has a familial duty that should indealy transcend everything else. The demon on his shoulder falls silent... for now. What i find even more facinating about all of this, is that from what we've seen, all the backroom dealings and cutthroat business necessary to run his empire Doesnt actually make Nary happy. No more than it did his Nephew and daughter. Nary speaks of himself as an idiot for genuinely loving his wife, but it's clear that the reason he embraced her, was because he WANTED that love. That relationship made him happy in life. And ultimately, that same love is what made him choose Sette over his wife. Nary is his father's son, just as Sette is her father's daughter. He craves love and affection just as she does, and he is happiest when he embraces it. The difference is that Nary has made the choices in life to put his empire above that familial love he craves. He has resolved to be Granny, rather than be Da. And all that does, is make him more miserable. No wonder this guy wants OUT of that life. The funny thing is, Nary and the Frummagens are essentially a deconstruction of the entire Rogue archetype. They are, at heart, the classic DnD rogue. Cutpurses, pickpocketers, but with style and scruples. the classic thieves with a heart of gold, or at least some form of moral lines they wont cross, basically. But what happens when you take that archetype, and actually puts them in a setting where they've risen as high as they can go? Well, you get a bunch of people who would rather be out there on the move, hopping from place to place, stuck in a crimeridden, hellhole city, forced to play local politics, forced to engage in and pay for protection rackets, forced to constantly bribe the upper echelons of society, and as we see here, embrace the absolute worst of themselves when engaging with the people they should by all accounts love the most. Their own family. Of course that is from the meta perspective. For our lead Sette, this entire thing is not about the deconstruction of the Rogue, or a very interesting look into Nary Frummagen's psyche and personal morals and choices. It's about her dad considering choking her to death because she "Wasn't good enough", because she ended up in a fisticuffs where she got half her teeth knocked out, which proved that all his doubts about her as his heir were true. To Poor Sette's eyes, what Nary does here is giving her another chance, rather than what it actually was, with Nary ultimatly proving that what mattered to him in this instance was his daughter, which overrode his desire to be "Granny". Familial love winning out over the desire to be "strong", or more accurately not wanting to be "Weak" like his Da. I'll be honest. before this, Nary wasn't exactly a character i found particularily interesting. Now however, in these two pages He has instantly become a character who's journey i am hundred percent interested in seeing where it he'll go. will he choose the life of a nobleman, to finally get out of the life he so hates? Or will his parental insticts, which will certainly be put into conflict with those desires win out? I cant wait to find out.

StLOrca (pronounced Ess Tee Ell Orca)

Ohhhh,, man. This hits me right where I live. This is actually pretty triggering for me, so Imma dip out for the next few pages.

StLOrca (pronounced Ess Tee Ell Orca)

Thank you, Ashley. I don’t want to be a wet blanket, and I understand what you’re doing from a story viewpoint, but…you know.

Malik M.L. Williams

I had a few ideas about what Sette’s worst memory might be. Certainly some definitive rejection from Nary. But I didn’t imagine this… 😢

Michael Stakely

Spending your entire life thinking of a person one way based on their actions in a specific incident only to ultimately realize that you're more like him than you'd ever care to admit is an unwelcome level of personal growth for a man like Nary. Especially in a society that values introspection and empathy as little as Sharteshane does; his own family would be lining up around the block to shank him for this if they knew how "sentimental" he was.

Rainwalker

Poor Setty :( Disappointed but maybe not surprised at the amount of comments sympathizing with Nary. Spousal murder, getting drunk, strangulation... it really is textbook abuse patterns. The fact that Nary cares about Sette isn't special or redemptive. And all the other excuses- if he wasn't drunk, if he had had better emotional development as a kid, etc etc. Lots of people have shit lives, but not all of them strangle their daughter. I hope Sette is one day able to grow past this and see it for what it was- a sad, angry man taking his sadness and anger out on the people within his control.