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Buffy Fridays! Season 6 Episode 13 Reaction! (Patreon)

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####### EPISODE SPOILER REVIEW BELOW! APPARENTLY SOME OF YOU ARE WATCHING FOR THE FIRST TIME ALONG SIDE ME, SO PLEASE DON'T READ BEYOND THIS POINT UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN THE EPISODE YOURSELF! ######

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Looking forward to hearing you guy's opinion on this one! I don't want to give it away without you watching!

If you are new to Buffy and watching alone for the first time, please do check out the trigger warnings, as we discuss certain parts a lot.

This episode definitely had some great moments, and I am really glad the Buffy Spike storyline is progressing. But the episode didn't exactly start in the best way for me. XD Again, I look forward to seeing your reviews of it!

Hope you guys are having a great week!

As always, if you click the video just after this post, you may need to  download it first.  This should be fixed in a couple of hours!

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Lime Pie

A very hard watch, but a very good episode. Let me start by saying I appreciate you being honest and I completely understand you not liking this episode. For me though, this episode encapsulates a big theme for this season: The stuff you take comfort in getting stripped away as you enter adulthood. We’ve mostly seen this theme applied to Willow so far (i.e. her magic used to be empowering for her, but now it’s a source of shame), but now we’re really diving into Buffy as well. Buffy relies on her connections with others to deal with her abandonment issues and the loneliness that comes with being the Slayer. Based on her line “The only time I ever feel anything is when…”, it seems Buffy is tunnel visioning on feeling something (similar to how Willow went off the deep end trying to cope with Buffy dying) and has landed herself in a very unhealthy relationship imo. As for the Trio, saying they crossed a line this episode feels like an understatement. As you and others have mentioned though, I really appreciate that this episode stops hiding how terrible they really are. In the episode that first introduced the Trio, they were talking about hypnotizing Buffy to have sex with them, but the tone was unnervingly comedic (just like the first half of this episode) to suggest that they don’t see how deplorable they’re acting. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to excuse their behavior. Even though Jonathan and Andrew seemed to realize what they were doing was wrong when Katrina called out what they were doing, they realized way too late. However, speaking as someone who works at a high school, friend groups like the Trio are scarily common. We don’t know much about Andrew, but the Trio might be the only group that Jonathan has ever been apart of, making him very susceptible to go along with whatever the group deems “cool” (which is never good when Warren is the ringleader). That being said, Jonathan had no problem taking advantage of someone before the Trio was formed in the episode ‘Superstar’ when it was implied he slept with the twins who were under a spell to think he was cool. There’s so much more I could talk about this episode, but I’ll leave it at that. Great reaction as always, Veggie!

heather

Great reaction as always! In my opinion, I think this is the darkest episode of the whole series (some may disagree, but it’s certainly up there). It’s definitely a disturbing one and not easy to watch, but it’s an important one nonetheless. Also totally understand your initial reaction to the Trio’s nonsense, but I will add that I think them being all goofy about it is part of the point — perpetrators often don’t even see what they’re doing as SA, which makes it all the more real and horrifying.

VeggieGamer

Great point Heather! This is so true! I just could have done without the comedy and 'wacky music' during some moments. Maybe it is to represent the disconnect these kinds of people have, but it ended up unnerving me (which again, could have been the point).

PumpkinSparks

I will stand by my opinion: this seasons big bad and through line is life! The strives of life, repercussions of your actions, interpersonal conflicts, addiction - how life can pull you down and fuck you up... And I think that is why the trio is so lame. They are just three dudes. And while I agree that especially at the first two thirds of the episode the trios scenes can be a bit (a lot) tone deaf, I do appreciate this episode. I think it starts to show the cracks and the divide between them. Warren is clearly the dominant and rather ruthless (which fits with the first episode we got to know him at). The other two are more naive and "fun chasing" but in this episode seem to start to understand the repercussions of what they are actually doing. And I think it's interesting that Andrew seems to be pulled in to the dark side, while Jonathan is showing apprehension. Don't get me wrong, I obviously have my issues with the storyline and the way it was written. I do appreciate that they had Katrina say rape out loud (which was somewhat revolutionary back then), but it kinda does make light of the situation. We have to take the year it was written into consideration though. Thinking about how media was back then, this episode was quite forward thinking. Looking at it from a modern lens though (and knowing what we now know about Joss Whedon) it shows the cracks...........

Jake M

Reason #6 - So our big bad is... toxic masculinity? Warren is clearly the worst of the three, but they're all rather reprehensible and their actions towards Katrina inexcusable. Proof that the internet really will argue about anything- there's some debate as to what type of sex Buffy and Spike have in the Bronze. I really don't think this is the important discussion regarding that scene. The more important discussion is whether it's consensual (Buffy says 'no' just like Spike did in "Gone")- which is a running theme of Season 6 (right from the off, when Buffy is torn from heaven without consent). It makes for some extremely uncomfortable viewing- there are only a handful of S6 episodes I'd choose to watch casually to improve my mood. Oh, I'd do anything to return to the whimsy of talking puppets, undead child murder and shit CGI snakes...

Maia Brodsky

I completely understand why you didn't like this episode. At the same time, it's absolutely one of my favorites. The trio become real villains. Buffy is finally confronting the darkness inside her. The relationship between her and Spike is becoming more morally questionable, in both directions. I appreciate the darker themes of this season, so this episode ranks high for me. And as for the comedic tone toward the beginning, I agree with others who say that it was meant to portray the trio's lack of awareness of their own deplorable behavior, but I also think it was the writers calling out the way in which women were often treated as sex objects in TV and movies at the time. Various media made light of the sort of situation Katrina was put in, so people were far more desensitized compared to nowadays. The Buffy writers lulled those viewers into a false sense of security and then slapped them in the face with reality. I think you may have actually missed the first time Katrina used the word rape (it was right before the second time she said it), but that moment was meant to have the same effect on some people that it had on the three idiots. That's my opinion anyway. That being said, I actually did genuinely enjoy your reaction, despite you not liking the episode, which I find interesting. But I think it's due to you not letting yourself check out completely like many reactors do when they dislike something early in a reaction. You were still engaged in everything that was happening, and that really makes all the difference.

Katie

I think you're thinking of the term a crisis of conscience. The problem I have with this episode is the wacky music as you put it, during the early scenes. I'm sure it was deliberate because the trio clearly didn't view what they were doing as rape and the music was reflecting that. I think maybe if the music had a more serious tone you might have enjoyed it more, maybe. Totally get why you didn't though.

VeggieGamer

Thanks Katie! Crisis of conscience is EXACTLY what I was grasping for! XD

Katie

Btw, the best part of this video was your reaction to Spike saying 'Oh balls!' 😆

Hanneli Norrgard

I don't think there's anything revolutionary about this episode, and I also don't think it's a great episode. I remember seeing other shows (with younger audiences) before this would have aired that dealt with rape, used the word, and did it in a much better fashion. The late 90s/early 2000s weren't a "backwards" as people seem to think. Shows weren't depicting women as sex objects in most cases, at least not the shows I was watching. That was mostly a before this era thing. Also, I don't think the issue is toxic masculinity, just Warren being a jackass and the other two being complete idiots. Guys their ages would have known that what they were doing was wrong. Personally, I have never thought that Buffy was particularly hard hitting or revolutionary in what it covers, as most fans seem to, because it wasn't compared to the other shows that I watched. I've never thought that it does a good job with these types of storylines and have seem them much much better done. Even shows from the early 90s and before were hitting these topics, and this included shows that were 100% mainly watched by younger audiences than Buffy.

Lime Pie

What I find so special about this show is how it conveyed what it feels like to grow up and transition into adulthood. I’m definitely biased because I was the same age as Buffy on my first viewing and was facing very similar issues (only without the metaphor) that many of the characters were facing (particularly in this season), but I can’t think of any other show I’ve seen that has captured that feeling as poignantly or as cohesively as this one did. I expect we’ll just have to agree to disagree, but I would like to know which shows you thought were harder hitting if you don’t mind in case I missed out on them.

SapientButterfly

My first take away is your reaction to Spike saying Balls! And now all I can think is Veggie really needs to watch Supernatural next! This is a hard episode, definitely one of this seasons that I don't like much. And watching with hindsight and more knowledge of 'backstage' goings on make it even more uncomfortable. However, this season deals with so seriously dark subjects and doesn't shy away from tackling them and doing it well. I'm glad it took the serious turn that it did as that redeems it somewhat. But yeah, not one I hurry to rewatch.

Hanneli Norrgard

I don't know that other shows were harder hitting, just that they covered the same topics and often did so better, at least in my opinion. Rape was covered by Felicity, Dr. Quinn, and even Little House on the Prairie. Drugs were done by Dr. Quinn, Little House on the Prairie, Saved by the Bell, and many other shows. I remember Dr. Quinn hitting the most topics, which is especially crazy for a family show that took place in the 1800s. This episode with the whole, "We'll make her our willing sex slave" thing just seems super outdated for the time and a joke. I always skip this episode on re-watch simply because it's so ridiculous and unserious. I haven't found the transition to adulthood to be accurate to what I, or most I know my age, to have gone through, but we're also a bit younger than you would be. I am slightly younger than Michelle Trachtenberg, so different experiences. Also, maybe it's because I experienced those huge life experiences, like drug exposure, suicide exposure, police protection, etc. earlier in life and not as an adult. It's totally cool for you to love this show. I love it, even if I don't like parts of it. I was just replying to all the people who think that covering these topics was unheard of. It wasn't. Nothing up until this point would have seemed at all out of the ordinary for a TV to me at the time. A certain part that hasn't come up yet would have seemed out of place and more out there, but not anything else.

Delia P

It’s not quite the same no, the way she said it, you could tell it was more of a token no because she thinks she should say it but didn’t really mean it. Spike did take it more seriously though, which is why he gave her an out, by telling her to stop him because they both know she could have if she wanted to. Whereas Spike”s no was firm and she beat him into submission because from his past and probably just because of the vampire thing, he’s conditioned to associate pain with sex and get turned on while fighting. That’s not to say that I personally don’t think no shouldn’t be adhered to, even when it’s not what they really want or mean. However body language and tone usually communicate better than words and is by far our biggest form of communication, and her ‘don’t’ was soft and lilting indicating it wasn’t serious.

Alicia P

I'm sorry and I don't mean to nitpick, but it was absolutely not revolutionary to use the word 'rape' on tv in this era. The subject had been covered on television (with the R word being used) in the US on daytime soaps, primetime soaps, sitcoms, family dramas, shows about lawyers, shows that took place in hospitals, etc etc. If anything we as a society have gone backwards in our willingness to discuss this issue openly on narrative tv. I am the same age as SMG, I grew up watching lots of tv, this was not new subject matter by any means.

Alicia P

I truly get what they were going for this season but for me it was not an enjoyable watch. I gave up at some point. Not that I can't handle dark subject matter, I absolutely can, but to me it was just done in a boring and predictable way. I felt a certain writer was using the show to exorcise some their own 'demons' and a lot of the characters are just... off. JMO, obviously. Also, this episode was filmed during the swing dance revival fad of the late 90s/ early 00s so that's why Anya and Xander are dressed and dancing like it's 1945. Oh what a time to have been young, in love, and into dancing 😆

Lime Pie

Thanks! I haven’t watched Felicity, but I have seen episodes from the other shows you mentioned (I don’t think I’ve seen the entirety of any of them though). I definitely agree that these are not new topics being covered, but I think Buffy covered them better (at least for me) because they were integrated into the storylines of the characters we follow.

Vicky N

As usual episode 13 marks a turning point in the season. “Surprise” in season 2, “Bad girls” in season 3, “The I in team” in season 4, “Blood ties” in season 5.

Claire Eyles

Honestly my pet peeve with this episode is the way more modern viewers sometimes go on like the Trio and this episode in particular is the big reason why season 6 should be more appreciated, because it's basically predicting the rise of Incel culture and somehow that makes it 'revolutionary'. I adore season 6, but all of the reasons to appreciate this season I would not put the Trio at the top of the list, and especially not in a "OMG so groundbreaking, so revolutionary that they dealt with this stuff on Buffy" kind of way. Meanwhile hardly anyone seems to mention the incredibly accurate portrayal of clinical depression as a trauma response in this season, or the eventual 'payoff' (for want of a better word) of Willow's several seasons long "I think she might be heading towards addiction" arc. Having said that I do still really love this episode. I love that they finally have Warren's mask drop and show him as the psychopath that he is. Jonathon and Andrew are a a couple of idiots; Katrina's description of them as little boys playing at being men is apt. Those two are so stuck in a comic book fantasy world of being 'villains' they don't even realise what they're actually doing until someone literally screams the words, "it's rape" at them (look at their expressions when Katrina says that, they look genuinely shocked and horrified at that realisation, at least up until Andrew turns into Warren's bitch again). Warren though, if you watch his response during that scene with Katrina, he's just lurking in the background with a creepy smile on his face like some sort of predator stalking its prey. Warren knew exactly what he was doing, and had zero issue with attempting to rape his ex girlfriend, killing her when she tried to get away and then further dehumanising her by describing her body as "it". This arguably places Warren as one of the worst, most heinous 'big bads' the show has had so far, because Warren is still human. There's no lack of soul, or demon part inside him making him act like a monster, he simply is one, and that makes him potentially far more dangerous that what we've perhaps realised before this. The initial tonal whiplash of the episode I've always kind of taken as being from Andrew and Jonathon's point of view to start off (everything's a comic book fantasy with a built in laugh track to them, because they're morons). When the tone switches I see that as the episode shifting to Warren's POV, a callous, manipulative psychopath who knows right from wrong and doesn't care. As others have mentioned this episode does also deal with the portrayal of women and using sexual harassment and rape as a joke in older movies and TV shows, like Revenge of the Nerds or Porky's. It's an interesting concept, although I do disagree with some people's take on the issue that I've come across where the interpretation is that this episode is sort of holding a mirror up to those who watched and laughed at such films. That's where that idea loses me, because I grew up watching and laughing at films like Porky's and Revenge of the Nerds and so did a lot of other kids/teenagers born in the 70s and early 80s. Of course we knew all the problematic stuff like rape being played for laughs was not okay; I don't know a single person back then who watched films like that and thought it was acceptable to do in real life what they showed in fictional setting with fictional characters. The idea that an episode of TV in the early 2000s is holding a mirror up to attitudes and behaviours of people in the 80s, because some of us laughed at mess up humour, makes about as much sense as assuming people who watch Slasher films approve of real life murder.

Diego Zenhäusern

@Delia P I'd say it was wrong and kinda fucked up of Spike to put her in that situation in the first place. But I definiely agree, that the power was on Buffy's side there and if there had been any conviction behind her "No" she could have ended the situation there.

Diego Zenhäusern

I'm really glad you gave us your real opinion on the episode! And I pretty much agree with everything you said. I get the point some people here are making that the trio not taking it serious is showing us viewers how disconected (at least two of them) are from reality. But I also agree with you that it realy felt like the episode didn't want us to take the situation to seriously either (at least until it did) and that made me realy uncomfortable. And I really think they could have shot it in a way that shows us viewers that the trio isn't taking it seriously while still clearly indicating to us (through music, shot composition etc.) that this is not ok at all and that we should be horrified right now. So (knowing the time this was shot) I think it is more likely that the writers actually just didn't take the matter as serious as we - from our modern perspectiv - would like them to (which is showcased in my opinion by the fact that the tone of the trio sometimes slips back into "funny" in later scenes). However, that doesn't mean they're all horrible people. I think people can evolve with society around them and so I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people involved would aproach the beginning of this episode different nowadays. On a "more positive" note: I absolutely loved the scene between Tara and Buffy at the end!💓 It was so well done! I was bawling right along with Buffy there. Partly because the actress really conveyed her despair and self loathing in the scene and partly because I was so happy about how good of a friend Tara was being in her reaction to the news.😭

Hanneli Norrgard

That situation would have been taken seriously at the time this show was made, which is a huge part of the issue I have with how this was shot. I have seen numerous rape scenes from way before this era to during this era, for reference, and none of them portrayed it with such silliness. It was always shown as being serious.

Madikuma95

I love Tara in this episode! I admit I always saw her as Willow's shadow, but it's awesome seeing her talk one-on-one with Buffy. She tries to comfort Buffy, saying that it's okay if she loves Spike, and okay if she doesn't. But Buffy feels like she's just using him, which is so sad. SMG's performance is so emotional, it really gets me in the feels! Don't worry Veggie, it's okay to dislike an episode! Maybe the Trio's initial plan should've been just brainwashing the women to be maids. It would still be bad, but not as sexual and creepy? And then Warren would escalate things with Katrina later. That way there would be some build up and it wouldn't immediately start the episode on a sour note.

Jake M

I strongly disagree with "the way it was said" being a factor- don't means don't. It sounded to me like a weak, desperate moan rather than a suggestive lilt. The pair are getting used to ignoring each other's wishes which can surely only lead to bad things... (No spoilers as I think Diego is also first time viewing)

Genevieve Clerc

(sorry for my english, i am french) We had the terrible case of Gisèle Pelicot these last months. Warren is the husband. He knows what he is doing. The two others... They are the numerous guys who came, and said after , in front of the judge = "we are not rapists. We would never be. We are good guys". The fact is, they did not even try to know if she was aware of what was happening. They did not care. They did not think of it, and even after , they were in a complete denial.