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[CLOSED] - SINGLE CHAPTER - The Harry Potter Book Club! Your Notes for Chapter 30 of The Order of the Phoenix! (Patreon)

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THIS PART OF THE BOOK CLUB IS NOW COMPLETE! Thanks for taking part and see you next time! :)

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Badger Kat

Greetings, Veggie and Woozle! Ch 30 - The swamp is on the fifth floor of the East wing of the castle. I wish I could see how Rowling pictured the castle while writing. - I love the continued student (and staff) rebellion. - With as much damage as Grawp does to Hagrid, it’s very inappropriate for Hagrid to ask Harry and Hermione to visit Grawp if Hagrid has to leave. Just like sending Harry and Ron to visit Aragog, trusting that the spiders wouldn’t eat Hagrid’s friends. - It’s really cool that the Gryffindors make the ‘Weasley is Our King’ song their own. Thank you for all your hard work, remember to take care of yourself and the lovely noodle!

Alex Hopps (edited)

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2026-09-20 18:00 WEASLEY IS OUR KING! Been waiting for this to come around every time you have mentioned hating that song! It reminds me of one of the nicknames that my bullys used to call me becoming a nickname many of my friends and colleagues began to call me in an affectionate way. I feel like inserting a tyrion quote here "use it as armour and it can never be used to harm you" I love the way the song was weaved into the chapter and how the realisation happened, leading to getting to celebrate rons moment of glory
2026-09-05 10:27 WEASLEY IS OUR KING! Been waiting for this to come around every time you have mentioned hating that song! It reminds me of one of a nickname that my bullys used to call me and how that became a nickname many of my friends began to call me and how differently i feel about it now. I feel like inserting a tyrion quote here "use it as armour and it can never be used to harm you" I love the way the song was reintroduced into the chapter and how the realisation happened, leading to getting to celebrate rons moment of glory

WEASLEY IS OUR KING! Been waiting for this to come around every time you have mentioned hating that song! It reminds me of one of a nickname that my bullys used to call me and how that became a nickname many of my friends began to call me and how differently i feel about it now. I feel like inserting a tyrion quote here "use it as armour and it can never be used to harm you" I love the way the song was reintroduced into the chapter and how the realisation happened, leading to getting to celebrate rons moment of glory

Music Here (edited)

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2026-09-29 20:00 You were right about Hagrid's secret! Many people consider this the worst chapter of this book/the series. The biggest reason is that they don't care about Grawp, and that because of him we miss Ron's victorious quidditch performance. I'm not completely in that boat, but this is not my favorite either. (will edit later)
2026-09-05 10:34 You were right about Hagrid's secret! Many people consider this the worst chapter of the book, or even the series. The biggest reason is that they don't care about Grawp and that because of him, we miss Ron's victorious Quidditch performance. I'm not completely in that boat, but this isn't my favorite either. I think you've been mentioning that Quidditch is basically just there to showcase Harry's brilliance. Well, in this chapter Gryffindor win the Quidditch cup without Harry. I think we need to have a serious discussion about Harry's Quidditch career. Maybe he's just a fraud being carried by a super team? 🧐

You were right about Hagrid's secret! Many people consider this the worst chapter of the book, or even the series. The biggest reason is that they don't care about Grawp and that because of him, we miss Ron's victorious Quidditch performance. I'm not completely in that boat, but this isn't my favorite either. I think you've been mentioning that Quidditch is basically just there to showcase Harry's brilliance. Well, in this chapter Gryffindor win the Quidditch cup without Harry. I think we need to have a serious discussion about Harry's Quidditch career. Maybe he's just a fraud being carried by a super team? 🧐

Sten4321

Hi Veggie Weasly is our king! - Love the chaos in the school, and Umbridge having to spend her day(s) running around putting out (sometimes litteral) fires. - Grawp is a sweetheart, a bit of a big toddler, i love him as a character, even if asking the trio to take care of them is... unadvised... I understand both where Hagrid is coming from, and Harmonies annoyance with Hagrid. - Love the ending to Ron's quidditch arc in this book, showing that Angelina was right in betting on him even with his awful earlier performances. Ron's biggest problems in general is often himself.

Madikuma95

Weasley can save anything, He never leaves a single ring, That's why Gryffindors all sing: Weasley is our king! 👑 It was last year that I realized Filch punting students across the swamp meant he was ferrying them by boat, not drop-kicking them like a football. 😂 I think the filmmakers wanted to make Grawp more endearing, so they presented him more as a mentally disabled child rather than a dangerous brute. The movie scene does get some flack from me for being another "Ron is lame, Hermione is cool" moment. Do you think Harry and Hermione will be able to teach Grawp anything?

Alias93

The movie made Grawp to be more friendly and clumsy, not as vicious as the giants were described in book 4 and in Hagrid’s tale. Hermione’s reaction is also very different, she’s terrified and rightfully so, if Grawp had grabbed her like he did in the movie he would probably have killed her. It’s a nice pay-off that the Gryffindors reclaimed the Weasley is our king song to celebrate him after their victory, Ron must have played well for once by the way they were all carrying around as a hero. That should give him a boost in confidence, considering how everyone was talking about Fred and George at the beginning of the chapter, he gets to be in the spotlight for once.

Sunblooded (edited)

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2026-09-05 11:40 Hey woozle!! (And I guess veggie too) Ha 🤣 I love the twins, that swamp was genius, and the teachers not removing it and just watching umbrage try and fail to 🤣 love it!!!!!

Hey woozle!! (And I guess veggie too) Ha 🤣 I love the twins, that swamp was genius, and the teachers not removing it and just watching umbrage try and fail to 🤣 love it!!!!!

Andrew K

Hey Veggie! Some people call this the “worst chapter” in Harry Potter, but I disagree. It isn’t as interesting or fun, but I think there are worse chapters at the start of Goblet Of Fire. The chapter still has highlights and it is worth seeing Hermione’s hysterical reaction to Grawp - she’s hilarious in this chapter! The scene with the centaurs is also very intense - they appear so much more dangerous and unpredictable than ever before, and Hagrid referring to them as “mules” makes everything feel even more of a threat. It is interesting that while Hagrid has a lot of love for magical creatures, he’s very dismissive of the centaurs and uses offensive language (he’s also dismissive to House-Elves and muggles too) - why do you think he has such a different view of them compared to Aragog, Buckbeak, or the skrewts?

Noni

Hi Veggie Do you think Ron’s improved performance is down to his new mindset or to the fact that he no longer has the pressure of living up to older siblings? It could be a little of both but I tend to rely on the Wizarding World Press rules from way back (Hermione is almost always right unless she’s emotional and Ron is almost always wrong unless he’s joking) and side with Hermions’s view of this. That rule gets broken a lot of course but it led to some interesting speculation about the future books. And we meet Grawp, another play on words. Grawp or Grow Up which is likely what Grawp heard said to him more than his actual name due to his small size.

Diego Zenhäusern (edited)

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2026-09-11 08:00 WFFTITWFF Veggie! I have to say it is really disappointing how cavalier Harry and Ron are about Montague's fate. Especially considering how upset Harry was just a chapter ago about James' treatment of Snape. And I guess that's all I have to say this time...so that's a shorter comment this time🤷‍♂️😅
2026-09-05 13:31 WFFTITWFF Veggie! I have to say it is really disappointing how cavalier Harry and Ron are about Montague's fate. Especially considering how upset Harry was just a chapter ago about James' treatment of Snape. Edit: Though to be fair that's me speaking with the mindset of an adult. When I was around Harry's age I didn't really care about Montagues condition either. So while their indifference is not great I also get it.🙈😅 And I guess that's all I have to say this time...so that's a shorter comment this time🤷‍♂️😅

WFFTITWFF Veggie! I have to say it is really disappointing how cavalier Harry and Ron are about Montague's fate. Especially considering how upset Harry was just a chapter ago about James' treatment of Snape. Edit: Though to be fair that's me speaking with the mindset of an adult. When I was around Harry's age I didn't really care about Montagues condition either. So while their indifference is not great I also get it.🙈😅 And I guess that's all I have to say this time...so that's a shorter comment this time🤷‍♂️😅

Garfnob (edited)

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2026-09-11 08:00 Greetings, Chapter – 30 - is the term punting in common usage over there? The first time I heard this chapter I pictured Filch drop kicking students. That made no sense so I had to look it up. - did the triwizard tournament make the bubble head charm common knowledge, or was Harry just bad at searching to ways to breath under water? - I get why Filch wants to get rid of Peeves. He is a menace.
2026-09-05 14:45 Greetings, Chapter – 30 - is the term punting in common usage over there? The first time I heard this chapter I pictured Filch drop kicking students. That made no sense so I had to look it up. - did the triwizard tournament make the bubble head charm common knowledge, or was Harry just bad at searching ways to breath under water? - I get why Filch wants to get rid of Peeves. He is a menace.

Greetings, Chapter – 30 - is the term punting in common usage over there? The first time I heard this chapter I pictured Filch drop kicking students. That made no sense so I had to look it up. - did the triwizard tournament make the bubble head charm common knowledge, or was Harry just bad at searching ways to breath under water? - I get why Filch wants to get rid of Peeves. He is a menace.

Garfnob

:) "It was last year that I realized Filch punting students across the swamp meant he was ferrying them by boat, not drop-kicking them like a football." - i needed to look that one up the first time i heard i.

Jake M

S'mae Weggiele! Chapter 30 And so the rebellion begins! Love how the teachers get involved, even mischievous McGonagall helping Peeves unscrew a chandelier. Students using a bubble head charm for fresh air- I guess they all learned it after watching Cedric in the second Triwizard task? I assumed it was an advanced level spell, but clearly it's easier than it seems- which begs the question why Harry didn't find it in his research. On the flip side, what possible practical use does learning how to add legs to a teapot have!? I find Hermione's attempts to convince Harry about occlumency and rekindle his relationship with Cho very endearing. She's a great friend who clearly cares about Harry's wellbeing, even if it goes unappreciated and comes across as annoying. Something occurred to me in this chapter- could Hagrid possibly be neuro divergent? He completely misses social cues like sarcasm and fear, fixates on things obsessively (e.g. refusing to give up on Norbert or Grawp), seems to prefer the company of "lovably harmless" animals, and of course has a habit of saying things he shouldn't have said. Makes me wonder. Apologies for the longer than average length. I wanted to raise a few important points while still pointing out the ridiculous, as per usual. Love to you both- hope you enjoyed your birthday!

Maria

Hi Veggie, I find the Grawp storyline to be fascinating! What do you think about the ethics of Hagrid essentially "kidnapping" his brother? It seems pretty obvious to me that he should have allowed him to return to the other giants. I also love the centaur scene and how they call Harry and Hermione foals. It's a little glimpse of how non-human magical beings see the world. As many have said, I love that the twins spark a quiet rebellion against Umbridge. Their approach is kind of like getting rid of a boggart. They have done something to make her ridiculous, and being able to laugh at her takes away some of her power.

S1lm4r1l (edited)

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2026-09-11 08:00 Hiya Woozle and Veggie. Obviously, we know that Harry is getting some of Voldemort's thoughts and feelings. Is the reverse happening? Is Voldemort suddenly getting thoughts about exams and revision as he goes about his day? Firenze teaching at the school was cause enough for the other centaurs to attack and nearly kill him. For a species that aspires to deep knowledge and insight, this seems like a remarkably unenlightened reaction. Ron should be careful hitting his head on the lintel! If I had a nickel for every time a King of France had died after hitting their head on a door lintel I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, I know, but it is weird that its happened twice. *Might Edit*
2026-09-20 18:00 Hiya Woozle and Veggie. Peeves following Umbridge around and blowing raspberries whenever she speaks might be my favourite thing he's ever done. Such an annoying and petty thing to do. Firenze teaching at the school was cause enough for the other centaurs to attack and nearly kill him. For a species that aspires to deep knowledge and insight, this seems like a very ignorant reaction. Quadrupedal drama queens. Ron should be careful hitting his head on the lintel! If I had a nickel for every time a King of France had died after hitting their head on a door lintel, I'd have two nickels. It isn't a lot, I know, but it is weird that its happened twice. How do you think Ron will react when Harry and Hermione tell him about Grawp? He was extremely shocked when he found out Hagrid was half-giant in Goblet of Fire.
2026-09-29 20:00 Hiya Woozle and Veggie. Peeves following Umbridge around and blowing raspberries whenever she speaks might be my favourite thing he's ever done. Such an annoying and petty thing to do. Firenze teaching at the school was cause enough for the other centaurs to attack and nearly kill him. For a species that aspires to deep knowledge and insight, this seems like a very ignorant thing to do. Quadrupedal drama queens. Yet another great Ron moment in the books we didn't get in the movie, I've lost count now. Ron should be careful hitting his head on the lintel! If I had a nickel for every time a King of France had died after hitting their head on a door lintel, I'd have two nickels. It isn't a lot, I know, but it is weird that its happened twice. How do you think Ron will react when Harry and Hermione tell him about Grawp? He was extremely shocked when he found out Hagrid was half-giant in Goblet of Fire.
2026-09-06 19:57 Hiya Woozle and Veggie. Peeves following Umbridge around and blowing raspberries whenever she speaks might be my favourite thing he's ever done. Such an annoying and petty thing to do. Firenze teaching at the school was cause enough for the other centaurs to attack and nearly kill him. For a species that aspires to deep knowledge and insight, this seems like a very ignorant thing to do. Four-legged drama queens. Yet another great Ron moment in the books we didn't get in the movie, I've lost count now. Ron should be careful hitting his head on the lintel! If I had a nickel for every time a King of France had died after hitting their head on a door lintel, I'd have two nickels. It isn't a lot, I know, but it is weird that its happened twice. How do you think Ron will react when Harry and Hermione tell him about Grawp? He was extremely shocked when he found out Hagrid was half-giant in Goblet of Fire.

Hiya Woozle and Veggie. Peeves following Umbridge around and blowing raspberries whenever she speaks might be my favourite thing he's ever done. Such an annoying and petty thing to do. Firenze teaching at the school was cause enough for the other centaurs to attack and nearly kill him. For a species that aspires to deep knowledge and insight, this seems like a very ignorant thing to do. Four-legged drama queens. Yet another great Ron moment in the books we didn't get in the movie, I've lost count now. Ron should be careful hitting his head on the lintel! If I had a nickel for every time a King of France had died after hitting their head on a door lintel, I'd have two nickels. It isn't a lot, I know, but it is weird that its happened twice. How do you think Ron will react when Harry and Hermione tell him about Grawp? He was extremely shocked when he found out Hagrid was half-giant in Goblet of Fire.

Florian

Hi Veggie, we learn a little bit about centaur perspective. What do you think about their customs?

S1lm4r1l

In fairness, they don't know how bad Montague's condition is. I doubt any Slytherins have been concerned whenever any of the Golden Trio are in the Hospital Wing. The fact they even spared a thought for him was generous and kind enough.

Diego Zenhäusern

I mean based on the fact that his parents are visiting it can't be good. And just because the Slytherins are inconsiderate they definitely don't have to be as well. I'll grant you that they are still quite young so it isn't fair to hold them to the highest standards all the time (which I added to my comment to give it a bit more nuance).

S1lm4r1l

No that's true, but he also hasn't been removed to St Mungo's either. So his condition is certainly serious but not necessarily life-threatening. Furthermore, we've seen throughout the series that Madame Pomfrey has tended to err on the side of caution, refusing to let Harry and Hermione leave the Hospital Wing despite them being almost completely healthy. Without Dumbledore I should imagine there's little to restrain these instincts.

CJ Haaay

Hi Veggie! I wasn't going to comment because I don't like this chapter but I do have to say that of all the things the movies cut out, I wish Grawp was one of them!

Esmeralda Joy

Totally agree, this chapter is useless. And I have no idea why it's in the movie since they didn't even have him come back to fight in the final battle

Alias93

Well he does show up again at the end of the movie. They could have just had the centaurs take away Umbridge without Grawp in the scene, but then there would be no reason for Hermione to bring Umbridge in the forest, since she wouldn't know about the centaurs being more agressive without going into the forest with Hagrid. Although the movie did set up Hagrid to be sacked like in the book but then it just doesn't happen...

Esmeralda Joy

Yes, good point. He does serve a purpose...still don't like the storyline

S1lm4r1l

It seems to be a plot point to give Hagrid something to do, another mystery with his various injuries and heighten the jeopardy if he gets sacked. It does seem rather crow-barred in though.

Howiedoing

"Chapter 30 is the ultimate redemption arc! I actually need to apologize for my last comment from the last Quidditch chapter—because I'm way more of a book fan, I completely forget how much the movies cut out or changed. I totally lost track of where the book timeline was! I know I said the song gave me a laugh, but I definitely wasn't condoning the Slytherins being mean; I just forgot that we hadn't reached the chapter where it becomes a positive chant yet. Seeing Gryffindor finally flip 'Weasley is our King' into a massive victory song after Ron wins the Cup was so satisfying. It perfectly balances out the chaos of Hagrid casually dumping Grawp on Harry and Hermione!"

Dodolulupepe

My personal idea on why Harry couldn’t find the Bubblehead Charm in his research is that one of the other champions took out every book in the library that mentioned it. And Cedric’s use of it then popularizing it makes sense, as you said.

Dodolulupepe

Hi Veggie! It's small but I love how when Hermione is incredulous that Ron (seems to be) trying to divert the Montague situation to being about himself, but then Ron says he'll get a Howler because Molly will think it's his fault, her tone is still frantic from earlier but she drops her indignance and consoles him :) one among many prior moments similar to this! It hurts to read Harry being so dismissive about Occlumency and putting up his curiosity so much despite what Snape, Dumbledore, Sirius, and Lupin have all told him, to the point that he hits at Ron's insecurity a bit. What do you think's the reason Harry's so particularly intensely curious about these dreams, especially when he doesn't know their source or meaning? Lastly, I actually find Grawp quite endearing and sympathetic. Somehow, I actually agree with Hagrid that Grawp wasn't trying to hurt him (or Hermione) - though of course it was still insanely stupid to bring him to Hogwarts when he clearly didn't want to.

Jake M

Wait, for real? I never got that pun 🫣 that's the second one this year, I only realised floo (flue) powder in January or so! 🤦🏼‍♂️

Simon audsley

"I wish I could fly way up to the sky but I can't" Not a lot in this chapter but you finally get confirmation that harry wants the dreams to continue rather than outside influences. Also we get to see meet grawp who I feel is a lot more imposing than the film version he also feels like an actual threat. Witnessing the politics of the centaurs and how much of a threat they are is also interesting and getting I bit more on Firenze's story. bonus quote from the live show of the above quote I saw in the 90's bonus points if can guess who said it "I'm gonna fuck that duck" Please note this was a kids show not the adult versions he did years later.

skinnyp

Hello Veggie, just wanted to chime in at the end of the month. Didnt really have time to read the chapters this and last month because a lot of stuff is going on, but mostly good. I finished my bachelors 2 weeks ago! I just wanted to tell you hi and look forward to give my thoughts on the chapters from next month on again. Youre in for a ride regarding those next few chapters, theyre intense. It really fits the autumn and winter vibe more, which are the Harry Potter seasons anyway. I will be going to London to see the Warner Bros Tour at the end of October, so im very excited for that. Im also excited for when you continue the Hogwarts Legacy streams on YouTube ;-) but no rush, we will still be there no matter when you find the time. Have a good day and see you next time!

Jake M

Orville? Is that you?

Sanji Joestar (edited)

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2026-09-29 20:00 Hi Veggie and Woozle, hope you're doing well. Really liked this chapter and I felt so bad for Hermione. She's really trying to be the reasonable one around very eccentric people. Apparently some english readers thought Filch 'punting' the kids meant he was kicking them over the swamp which is a hilarious image. '' It unscrews the other way '' is a legendary line from McGonagall 😂. Umbridge-itis seems to be a global pandemic. Ron jumping on the occasion to blame Harry for the money was really funny. I feel really bad for Hagrid. Despite his obliviousness, he really seems to care about giving lessons. And now that his brother's involved he really wants to balance things out but there's so much stacked against him. Hermione's not wrong even if she didn't mean that last part. Finally 'Weasley is our King' becomes bearable. I couldn't stand it anymore (which I guess was the purpose). Really looking forward to next chapter.
2026-09-27 14:21 Hi Veggie and Woozle, hope you're doing well. Really liked this chapter and I felt so bad for Hermi. She's really trying to be the reasonable one around very eccentric people. Apparently some english readers thought Filch 'punting' the kids meant he was kicking them over the swamp which is a hilarious image. '' It unscrews the other way '' is a legendary line from McGonagall 😂. Umbridge-itis seems to be a global pandemic. Ron jumping on the occasion to blame Harry for the money was really funny. I feel really bad for Hagrid. Despite his obliviousness, he really seems to care about giving lessons. And now that his brother's involved he really wants to balance things out but there's so much stacked against him. Hermi's not wrong even if she didn't mean that last part. Finally 'Weasley is our King' becomes bearable. I couldn't stand it anymore (which I guess was the purpose). Really looking forward to next chapter.

Hi Veggie and Woozle, hope you're doing well. Really liked this chapter and I felt so bad for Hermi. She's really trying to be the reasonable one around very eccentric people. Apparently some english readers thought Filch 'punting' the kids meant he was kicking them over the swamp which is a hilarious image. '' It unscrews the other way '' is a legendary line from McGonagall 😂. Umbridge-itis seems to be a global pandemic. Ron jumping on the occasion to blame Harry for the money was really funny. I feel really bad for Hagrid. Despite his obliviousness, he really seems to care about giving lessons. And now that his brother's involved he really wants to balance things out but there's so much stacked against him. Hermi's not wrong even if she didn't mean that last part. Finally 'Weasley is our King' becomes bearable. I couldn't stand it anymore (which I guess was the purpose). Really looking forward to next chapter.

Alias93

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Heather Judge

Hey Veggie, hope you're well! Had a rough couple of months so haven't been able to keep up with the book club, but hopefully back now! I love how the discussion about Montague and the twins is interwoven with the charmed tea cups moving about - it's a wonderful way the author makes the world seem constantly magical. This chapter continues the theory that Rowling will do anything to not have to write a full game of quidditch!

Methanoutput

Heeeey Veggie! You know what? Lets go Ron, i was so incredibly happy for him, when i listened to the audiobook the first time. He deserved this moment so much. Failing at a sport while all people watch is so incredibly embarrassing and annoying (at least it was for me), that i can empathize with him. Its such good feeling to finally win or play well in an official match. PS: Sorry i could not do the Side panels, I've got Umbridgitis. Hope You and Woozle are doing well! Cant wait to hear your thoughts!

Alan Michener

Hi veggie, Not much to say on this chapter because its not that heavy of a one. But I am sure you are very upset we missed a play by play of your favorite sport in this chapter. To make matters even worse surprise Gryffindor won the quidditch cup.