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[CLOSED] The Harry Potter Book Club! - Your Notes for Chapters 16 & 17 of Philosopher's Stone! (Patreon)

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2022-05-30 20:20:11
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This part of the Potter Book Club is now complete! Thank you all for leaving your comments! Don't worry if you missed it, look out for the next one and be a part of the review!! :)

Hi guys!  Again, so sorry for the delay, with all the drama on the channel, this got a bit pushed back!  Here is a chance to get your comment read out in the next Book review video!

If you are reading along with the reviews, we are covering chapters "Through the Trapdoor" and "The Man with Two Face" in this one, as well as an end of book wrap up! So if you have any thoughts, opinions, comparisons or questions regarding these, please leave a comment below!

I do have to ask, try to keep them fairly short, like 4 or 5 sentences.  That way I can cover more when making the video.  Also try to keep them on subject and not referencing anything that we are yet to cover. Ideally, keep it to 1 comment each if you can (if you have more to say after commenting, you can edit it and add to it! :) ).  These are just rough guidelines rather than rules, I want to be able to fit in as many of you as possible! :)

OH! And if you would like to leave a comment but would rather I didn't read it out in the video, please feel free. Be sure to say you would rather it not be used in your comment.

Thanks, guys!! :)

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Lovegood

You already touched on Dumbledore being a bit of a puppet master pushing Harry towards the confrontation with Voldemort in the last reaction. In these chapters I feel that even more. I only think he made ONE miscalculation that almost got them killed. The tasks almost seem tailor made for Harry and his friends. Everyone knows that Hagrid can’t keep a secret (Fluffy), Harry is the youngest seeker in 100 years (charms challenge), Ron is known for being good at chess (transfiguration challenge), Hermione is known for being logical (potions challenge), they already defeated a troll once (DADA challenge), and Harry already had encountered the mirror, so he sort of knew how it worked and wouldn’t have been distracted as much by a vision. The one mistake was that Dumbledore probably expected that Neville would go with them. Neville is known for being a prodigy in Herbology, so he would know what to do. And I think it’s interesting that of all people it’s Neville that surprised Dumbledore with his actions.

Dinsdale_

I love the potions challenge, and I love that it's Snape that has come up with it. Understandably not that cinematic so didn't make the film but shows Snape's intelligence with a challenge that would confuse or trap most wizards as Hermione says.

Benjamin Hütz

There is this one thing that confuses me every time: The difficulty of the Challenges. How could the teachers think that these protections would hold anyone with a little bit of knowledge away from the stone? I mean entering hogwarts alone undetected would be quite impossible.. so if someone manages to do that, these stone protections really wouldnt do anything. To think that quirrel and voldemort himself couldnt get past fluffy for almost an entire year is ridiculous.

AWR93

The twist with Quirrel being the bad guy was done so much better in the book than in the movie in my opinion.

Kattie Martin

Since the trio thought it was Professor Snape, I tried imagining him dramatically doing all the tasks. Also I feel like the chess scene was more violent in the book.

Hilde

But this supports the theory that it was meant more as a test for Harry and his crew than anything else? Or does it not make sense? Just thinking aloud here 🤔

Josh Z

I don't know if you noticed, but the devil snare is totally different in the book. In the movie Ron is made to look like a total idiot, blindly screaming his head off. Moments like this are how the movies blow characterization and it always happens and I always found it super disrespectful to fantastic characterization of the books.

Rebecca May

It's one of my favourite parts of the book - I love how impressed Hermione is and how much she respects that Snape would come up with something like this.

Michelle Linardis

I love the twist at the end using Snape as the red herring - such a great moment when you realise all the shady things he did throughout the book, was percieved wrong.

Rebecca May

The line - "Harry pocketed [Hagrid's flute] to use on Fluffy - he didn't feel much like singing," - is underrated comedy gold. Such a hilarious image. Also, I can now never read or watch the End of Year Feast without thinking "THEY GOLDEN SNITCHED IT!".... and no, I'm not complaining, I love it. XD

itsanursething

When I first watched this movie, I remember being so frustrated about what was left out (final exams, the extra tasks to get to the stone, Harry's talk with Dumbledore, the toilet seat). But after a while, I realized that the books and the movies need to be looked at as two separate entities. They are both complete in their own right, even though there are differences. I do think though, that Harry, Ron, and Hermione seem more like kids in the book than they do in the movie. They have moments of panic where they forget things, they act silly, they get frustrated easily. The books seem more accurate (to me) in the portrayal of three 11 year old wizards trying to fight one of the most deadly wizards of all time. I also like that Harry didn't outright kill Quirrel in the book. I'm surprised how much that was glossed over in the movie.

Hawwah

One thing that bothers me: when the trio learn they were wrong about Snape, they don’t draw any conclusions from it. None of them feels guilty that they wronged him so much, falsely accused him of a murder attempt and other horrible crimes and in Hermione’s case even physically attacked him. None of them even thinks about apologizing. I think at least Hermione should have been horrified learning how wrong she was when she attacked Snape. False accusation is a serious matter that can destroy a person's life but the book treats it as no big deal.

Diego Zenhäusern

Yeah, one of my favorite things is that it us Hermione that loses her head and is looking for firewood😅

Benjamin Hütz

Meybe in dumbledores eyes, yes.... but i cant imagine snape or mcGonnagall not taking the protection of the stone serious

Diego Zenhäusern

An interesting trivia: You can actually not solve the potion riddle yourself with the information given in the books. This is because you don't know the order in which the flasks are arranged. I noticed this when trying to solve the riddle myself and double checked on the internet to make sure it was a thing and not just me being dumb😅. So Rowling has created a riddle that the reader can't solve (because he lacks visual information) but Hermione can🙂. I don't know though, whether she did this on purpose or just though no one would be bothered to try and solve the riddle themselves😅.

Judith

In the movie, Harry killed Quirrel without a second thought or ever feeling bad about it. I thought that was so out of character especially for the movie-Harry. The books are much more realistic with Harry defending himself but nearly losing to Quirrel. He is 11!!

SaChaMa

How do you feel about the extra challenges and tasks to get to the stone that are covered in the book? I understand you can't keep everything from the books in the movies but I was particularly sad they didn't keep the potion challenge. Looking back as an adult, I find it weird that the teachers used little "quizzes" and physical challenges to protect the stone instead of just massive protective spells, haha. But I get that it's ultimately a children's book, so it's more exciting this way and actually solvable for the trio.

Hawwah

When was Snape "horrible" to them? When he took ONE point from Gryffindor for Harry talking back to him? That was actually extraordinarily lenient, especially when you compare him to McGonagall.

Katherine

Totally agree, it was the part I missed most from the film.

Hawwah

The movies really do Ron dirty and turn Hermione into an flawless, overpowered Mary Sue.

Stephanie

Something that always stuck out to me is the idea of the challenges being reset, we see that not everything can be reset because the troll is still knocked out from Quirrel conveniently, but Hermione calls out the potion as not enough for two people and the chessboard would have been destroyed because of the nature of wizards chess. I also love the visual of Quirrel doing all the tasks, like flying on a broom to catch the key or playing chess by himself. I always thought it would be funny if he wasn't good at chess or something and the gang caught up to him there, like lapping someone in mini-golf.

Methanoutput

One bit, i realised was missing in the movies, is Hagrid crying after realising his mistake. He told a stranger how to get around Fluffy and in the movies, there is basically no reaction from him at all. Cant wait to hear your thoughts and Book 1 finished HYPE! Seeing you exploring the Chamber of Secrets is gonna be awesome!

Schloodie

"Through the trapdoor" is a great early example of how deliberate J.K. is with the writing of the trio. We have four challenges here, one that they solve with teamwork and then one for each of the trio. Then in the climax of the second book Hermione is not present, for the finale climax in the third Ron is missing, in the forth Harry is facing it mostly alone and in the fifth it's a complete team effort. She obviously tried very hard to keep things balanced in a way, in contrast to the movies where a lot of little choices skew thinks heavily in Hermione's direction, which is a shame.

Kevin Morris

I always loved how at the end, Dumbledore makes it a point to make sure that it’s Neville’s points, NOT Harry’s, but Neville’s points that secure the victory for Gryffindor. Just a great way of boosting Neville’s confidence and hinting at how much of a hero he would become.

Renagades united

I was in my 20s when I first started reading the potter books, I was going through a rough patch in my life and it took me away from it. I'm now 42 and have read, listened and watched the films millions of times. Have a huge merchandise and I mean stupid amounts. All who know me think I'm made lol.

shady07

Snape is a verbally abusive bully. I wouldn’t expect any of the trio to feel guilty about anything to do with Snape

Dara Jeeling

Said it before - I was not suprised Quirrel was the bad guy I was kind of sad, that the left the potions Riddle out Also... it felt kind of unfair of Dumbledore to reward the points during the feast and no before. SURLY he realized who won. Always felt like showing the Slytherins which house he prefers.... And yes, I getit it's a kids book. The only thing that made it better was that Neville is the one that actually wins for Gryffindor.

Garry (Not Jerry)

Voldemort would never get past the mirror without Harry. Fluffy was there to scare off pupils. The rest of it was just for Harry and his friends.

Garry (Not Jerry)

Stephen Fry really struggled to say “pocketed”. He did an interview about it. It’s hilarious.

Garry (Not Jerry)

We talk a lot about how the books are different from the movies, but re-reading them, I was struck by how much of the dialogue is identical. Movie Dumbledore is also exactly as I imagined him. Richard Harris was just magical. Very excited for more potter book club and can’t wait for book two.

Hawwah

If Snape is a "verbally abusive bully", so is McGonagall. But that's not the point. Even if Snape was the worst human being ever, it still would be wrong to falsely accuse him of something he didn't do.

PaulaC

The movies gave way too many hints that Quirrell was the bad guy. As an adult or even a teen reading the book, one might have been able to figure it out. But at the time, and lets remember when this was written, children's books did not do this. They didnt have this massive twist at the end. Since this book was written, "the twist at the end" has become very popular, in both YA and adult literature. We have now started to expect it and look for it. Reading it now in 2022 is so very different from reading it years ago when "the twist at the end" wasn't a thing. No one expected it.

Alex

One thing I wish this book would reveal was how exactly Quirrel managed to break into Gringotts and almost steal the stone. Because even the trio couldn’t do it in Deathly Hallows without the help of a goblin, a dragon and leaving a lot of damage behind.

Annamarie schwirian

I Think the challenges to get to the stone show the one major flaw in the movies. The fact that they only made Hermione seem smart. She is smart in logic and books, Ron is amazing at strategy games like Chess . Which even in the muggle world is hard.Harry excels at Defense against the dark arts and just having a good heartI think it's a huge movie flaw that they don't show the others standing out.

Jerin Akter

Poor Neville, the one time he stands up to people, he gets petrified by Hermione. But he does have the best character arc over the series, just wish they showed more of it in the movies. Btw, love these reactions and looking forward to seeing your reactions as the books evolve to be more intriguing.

Giorgia M

I loved the extra obstacles in front of the stone in the book, especially the potions one. I hate how the movie potrayed Ron and the devils snare situation to make Hermione seem smarter/better but I suppose she needed her moment to shine, if not in the potions part. I will say that you can tell JKR was not an experienced writer yet as I find the ending to be, dare I say… anticlimactic? Also, I sadly found the last few lines a bit of let down, it’s almost as if the book just kind of finishes out of nowhere without any real impact.

Thunderbird

I just love how Harry is pretending to be the Bloody Baron to get past Peeves and using Hagrids flute to get past Fluffy, I think those scenes are way underrated :D Also I think it is pretty cool that we got more riddles and tasks from other teachers in the book. What did you think about them? And now that you finished the first book, do you feel you understand the ending better than just after watching the movie? What was your favourite moment from the book, is there something you really wish was in the movie and which is your favourite character from this book? My favourite characters from the first book are Fred and George I think they are absolutely hilarious!

Hawwah

I still think it would be at least in Hermione's character to feel bad about it and to try to apologize. And I understand that the trio are children, but in Chamber of Secrets they don't seem to have any difficulty understanding how unjust it was when Hagrid was falsely accused.

Elizabeth Mann

I read this book for the first time when I was 15 (2001) and I had never seen a twist villain like this before. In those days, villains in children's media were always immediately recognisable. Even if the protagonist didn't know who it was the audience would usually figure it out. So those words, "It was Quirrell," were a shock to me. I didn't realise we were supposed to even doubt who the bad guy was, I thought it was just a Disney-esq obvious-villain-is-obvious. I thought the movie actually made it a little easier to figure out, mainly because when Quirrell gets knocked over in the book it's like a passing detail but when it happens in the movie they emphasise it by showing him get back up. It would have been better done if they just had the shot of him getting knocked down in the background and that was it. But that's just my feeling. My question: what is your favourite thing the book did that the movie didn't and vice versa?

Ashley Wall

So Quirrel had a troll as his defense strategy for the stone… and then a troll shows up on Halloween?! This should’ve been a give away. Also Hermione was a star with that potions riddle! Thanks Veggie!

Hawwah

Harry pretending to be the Bloody Baron is such a funny moment and it also shows Harry's quick thinking.

Annette Elliott

I love how the Devil's Snare challenge shows that Hermione isn't perfect like in the movie. Hermione froze when faced with real danger and her brilliant logic just escaped her. Harry is the leader because he uses gut instincts which allow him to pivot strategies quickly. It also shows that Ron is neither stupid nor lacking courage in the chess challenge since the risk of injury was much higher in the book than in the movie.

Fiur

Quirrell is such an interesting character because he doesn't seem like a bad guy at all until the big reveal at the end of the first book. There might be some clues here and there but you wouldn't expect someone like him to follow Voldemort, especially since Quirell was the teacher for muggle studies before he became the professor for the defense against the dark arts. In the end it seemed to be his hunger for power that eventually turned him into a loyal servant of Voldemort. However since a part of Voldemorts soul lived in his body, wouldn't that technically make Quirrell a Horcrux? At least temporarily? Keep up the great work, Veggie. Greetings from Germany.

H

Even in the movie, he didn't know that it would kill him. He defended himself in the only way that seemed possible in the moment.

Judith

Yeah, but he turned Quirrels hand into dust first and then chose to do the same thing to his face.... I just dont understand why they did that instead of the blisters and burned skin in the books. It was so unneccessary to change it!

sarah4hp

"Hermione always liked to go through their exam papers afterwards, but Ron said this made him feel ill, so they wandered down to the lake and flopped under a tree". This is such a hilarious moment for me as it perfectly shows how different Hermione and Ron are when it comes to exams and the academic aspects of their time at Hogwarts. Which of the three practical exams mentioned do you think you would have been most likely to ace and to fail if you had been a first year Hogwarts student? 1. Charms where you would have to make a pineapple tap-dance across a desk 2. Transfiguration where you would have to turn a mouse into a snuffbox 3. Potions where your task would be to make a forgetfulness potion

Garry (Not Jerry)

For an 11-year old he must have a dang good bloody baron impression!

Garry (Not Jerry)

Side note: why the heck would you need a forgetfulness potion?

Hawwah

Probably for an instance when you can't/don't want to use Obliviate.

Garry (Not Jerry)

I don’t think it makes you forget anything specific, just makes you forgetful. You take it and then forget to take your keys with you when you leave the house.

Kristen Campbell

I think Dumbledore was testing Harry to see what he can do since Dumbledore knows part of Voldemort lives in Harry. I think Voldemort wanted to see how far Harry would go and how he would go about it, Would Harry Attack Snape or Querril? or would he tell a teacher? He helped Harry understand the mirror and gave him back his cloak because he knew Harry wouldn't stop until he got the stone or made sure it stayed safe.