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[CLOSED] The Harry Potter Book Club! - Your Notes for Chapters 5,6 & 7 Of The Chamber of Secrets! (Patreon)

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THIS PART OF THE BOOK CLUB IS NOW COMPLETE! THANKS FOR TAKING PART AND SEE YOU NEXT TIME! :)

Hi guys! Finally the Heatwave has calmed down a bit so I hope to get you plenty of stuff real soon on here! Apologies again for the quiet couple of weeks.  When I get the chance I will turn your movie suggestions into polls, but in the meantime -

Here is a chance to get your comment read out in the next Book review video!

If you are reading along with the reviews, we are covering chapters "The Womping Willow", "Gilderoy Lockhart" And "Mudbloods and Murmurs"! So if you have any thoughts, opinions, comparisons or questions regarding these, please leave a comment below!

I do have to ask, try to keep them fairly short, like 4 or 5 sentences.  That way I can cover more when making the video.  Also try to keep them on subject and not referencing anything that we are yet to cover. Ideally, keep it to 1 comment each if you can (if you have more to say after commenting, you can edit it and add to it! :) ).  These are just rough guidelines rather than rules, I want to be able to fit in as many of you as possible! :)

OH! And if you would like to leave a comment but would rather I didn't read it out in the video, please feel free. Be sure to say you would rather it not be used in your comment.

Thanks, guys!! :)

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Michelle Linardis

Severus Snape catching Harry and Ron cracks me up every time - I would have given anything to see that in the films! I love Snape's humor and sarcasm.

Nix001

DON'T FORGET TO WATCH THE RELEVANT SECTION OF THE MOVIE FIRST!!!! That will save you at least fifteen minutes of wondering 'if that was in the movie!' or adding thing to the movie from memory that were not actually in the movie! Other wise - looking forward to your read through! Keep it up and enjoy.

Raider Max

There is so much I want to say about these chapters but I'll just keep it to one thing. I really love how the book had Hermoine not know what mudblood means because that makes sense. Being muggle born she would not have known that plus it gives more to Rons character explaining that word and explaining he is pure blood but it means nothing to him......didn't like his shot at Neville though 😆😂

Lovegood

Lockharts quiz cracked me up so much. It’s so annoying it’s funny. The one problem I have with the movie about these chapters is that Neville faints due to the mandrakes in the movie because it’s ‘funny’ and Neville is Neville. But Neville’s one big strength is herbology. I just think that did him dirty.

Isis Peoples

I'll take my chance now to just tell you, First stay cool please! Hydrate! Take good care of yourself and loved ones. Second, I look forward to the 1, 1.5 hr, 2 hr lol upload of these book reviews. I enjoy your company. I love to hear about your HP experience. And I cannot wait for Book 3 4 5 6 7!!!!!!!!!!!!

Natalie Nolet

I love that the trip to Hogwarts is so much more realistic in the book.... hot, sticky, uncomfortable... nothing to eat (other than toffee) or drink... not the quick, cheery trip it was in the movie!

ari

the films have a tendency to give ron's iconic scenes from the books to hermione in the films. ron starts getting sidelined in this film specifically which is a disservice as he's such a loyal friend who's actually useful and not just comic relief !! ron explaining the term mudblood makes a lot more sense considering he grew up in the wizarding world. i find it unlikely that hermione would've come across the slur in some book she read in the library

Benjamin Hütz

People always say there is no ravenclaw representation throughout the series... well with Lockhart there is more than we ever need. This guy is just hilarious... a complete idiot, true, but hilarious :D

Dara Jeeling

As always I am interested in what you think about Snape. And no, he still is not at his nastiest...

YaeliEz (Yael)

I’m sure you have noticed what Ginny has almost forgot at home, imagine what a nice year we could have had, or maybe she would have asked Molly to send it and then questions would have been raised… who knows.

YaeliEz (Yael)

Book 3, is definitely where I remember one of his nastiest moments.

Hilde

Not to mention the very unnecessary moment when Harry is dangling from the car by one hand… 🙄

Thunderbird

I just love the detail we get of Lockhart in the book, like him annoying the other teachers with tips nobody asked for or him thinking Harry is emulating him, which is why he advises Harry on how to become a celebrity (because let’s face it, surviving the killing curse is not nearly as important as winning the Witch Weekly’s Most-Charming-Smile Award five times in a row). Also I find it funny that Hermione has a huge crush on Lockhart which makes her not pick up on how incompetent he is whereas Ron and Hagrid see right through him. I think in chapter 6 is the first time they talk to someone from Hufflepuff. What was your first impression of Justin Finch-Fletchley?

Josh Z

I would say that COS is the most accurate movie adaptation of the seven books. It still bugs me that Ron and Ginny suffer from complete character assassination throughout the films. The sad part is the casting was so great but many actors were forced to play one dimensional versions of characters. I loved the movies growing up, but as an adult, I can only the flaws or missed opportunities for the cast to flex their acting muscles because something was cut that would have been great to see on screen.

Hawwah

He didn't do anything "nasty" in book 2.

Rebecca May

I find reading Chapter Five from Snape's perspective really quite sad. He spent the entirety of the last school year working his butt off to protect Harry - for which he got no thanks from anyone, least of all Harry. Now the school year has been underway for all of five minutes, and Harry has pulled this very James-like stunt, which risks both his own safety and the security of the wizarding world (which is incredibly important to Snape). Then the first thing he hears from Harry and Ron is that they hope he's ill, or he's been fired, and that everyone hates him. Nice.

Jacob sparks

I love how scared of the howler Ron and Neville are. Because it's so true that for a 12 year old being screamed at from parents would be the most awkward and embarrassing thing.

S1lm4r1l

I love the Lockhart Quiz and Ron's reaction of stunned disbelief to Lockhart's outrageousness. Mudbloods and Murmurs is a very important chapter when one stops and thinks about it. It's the first real setting up of the whole Pureblood versus Others conflict that plays throughout the story. Love that Hagrid's the one to cheer Hermione up a bit.

Predaguy

I really wish the movie had shown the picture that Colin Creevey took of Harry and Lockhart. The description of Lockhart forever trying and failing to keep Harry inside the frame is pretty funny.

PaulaC

Harry and Ron are complete boneheads without Hermione. They just do the first thing they think of without considering consequences. If Hermione had been there at King’s Cross, she would have known to contact an adult instead of driving the enchanted car all the way to Hogwarts.

Mordimer

I love how there's a party in Gryffindor's common room and everyone congratulates Harry and Ron their flight, Lee Jordan is extremely excited and inspired, twins would want to go with them. The further you go with the books the more differences from movies you'll see. I think that those movies as adaptations are really bad, specially later ones, but books are awesome, so can't wait for more of your long analysis! 😁

Hilde

Great points!

ari

the reveal of ginny being possessed by tom riddle was not properly built up in the film cause she barely gets screen time, it sucks :(

Jacqueline Chaiton

"Why didn't you send us a letter by owl? I believe you have an owl?" Professor McGonagall said coldy to Harry. Harry gaped at her. Now she said it, that seemed the obvious thing to have done. "I-I didn't think -" "That," said Professor McGonagall, "is obvious." God I love Book McGonagall.

Dara Jeeling

I thought book 4 "I see no difference" - but then, that could also be book 3 - I really need to get back and read prisoner XD

Dara Jeeling

yes, he is always his usualy, charming self *giggles*

Sara

"I see no difference" is from book 4 if you want to know.

Katie

Because that's from book 4 and isn't in the movie that would be a spoiler for Veggie

Kunzite Blossom

In Harry's defense, even if he did send an owl, they would have been late. By time Hedwig would have gotten there, and McGonagall arranged for the train to get them and go back it would probably be the next day. They would have missed the first day of class. Unless she would have arranged some other mode of transport, be apparition or port key. Maybe even floo network somewhere in Hogsmeade? Though, Harry and Ron probably don't know much about port keys and apparition (well Ron might know a bit) and it would have been too early in the series for us readers. Though what can you expect from 12 year olds? Their main concern was getting to school on time.

Jacqueline Chaiton

Oh I totally agree, you never come to the obvious conclusion when you are panicking and especially not at 12. I just love her sarcasm and sass in the books and I can 100% see Maggie Smith nailing this line in the movie.

Kunzite Blossom

Exactly, 12 year old boys in panic mode won't think straight. Even if most 12 year olds probably would have been like "eh less class for me, i'll wait" but for Harry Hogwarts is home. He wants to go badly. And theres Ron not wanting to get in trouble by being late so does something else to get in trouble. Maggie was perfect as McGonagall, i do wish this line was in the movie though. But that can be said for a lot of stuff in the books.

H

"It was difficult not to feel jealous of Ron when he thought of the Dursleys and the sort of welcome he could expect next time he turned up on Privet Drive" This line is a great reminder that Harry wants what Ron has, while Ron wants what Harry has. I also really like that Hermione have a proper crush on Lockhart, in addition to her (at this point) trust in authority figures. For me breaking down that trust is an important part of her story arch throughout the series, while the crush makes her... human. Which is good.

Annamarie schwirian

I really wish they showed how Hermione crushed on Lockhart it made her seem more human.

Triene

I think Harry and Ron are more just average 12-year-old boys. Boys take longer (generally) to mature than girls in the first place, and Hermione, as is so often stated, is exceptional. She is very intelligent and good at memorizing facts and details, and has good deductive reasoning and critical thinking skills, especially for someone her age. But she is still 12. Things like her Lockhart crush and the way she handles certain situations reminds us that, yup, she’s a 12-year-old girl.

Triene

That really jumped out at me too this time through! How wild to think.

Triene

I haven’t commented on one of these yet and wanted to do so if nothing else to let you know that I love all these videos, and keep up the good work! I’m a big fan! As for these chapters, I think a lot of people above brought up interesting bits, but I wonder if you are with me in greatly enjoying Jim Dale’s performance as Lockhart. I think its attitude and inflection are pretty much spot-on for the character!

Hawwah

You seem to mistake "being nice" for "being a good person". These are two very different concepts.

Hawwah

I find Hermione's crush quite disturbing, to be honest. Hermione is 13. Lockhart is at least 25, possibly older.

Eshi

Some significant differences you see in the book is when Draco calls Hermione a mudblood everyone in the Gryffindor team gets angry about it. And also you will see that Ron is the one who explains everything about the word to Harry and Hermione.

Diego Zenhäusern

Well it's movies they just can't resist putting in an unnecessary action scene at some points *side-eyeing DH part 2*

Diego Zenhäusern

Rowling might be a shitty person,but little things like this show what good of an author she is (at least in this series, I haven't read anything else she's written😅).

Diego Zenhäusern

@Hawwah PlusHermioneshould be way smarter than to fall for him🙈😅 Edited to correct spelling mistakes😅

Diego Zenhäusern

I don't know if it would have helped, had Harry appoligized to Snape after suspecting him all throughout book one...but it certainly would have been a nice touch.🤔 On the other hand Snape has been horrible to Harry (and most other students that aren't from Slytherin) throughout the entire year so I can't really blame him for not trying to make amends and instead just going on with hating him.

Diego Zenhäusern

Yeah, the mudblood scene is so much more impactful in the book, because everyone flips out, not only Ron!

Rebecca May

I'm not saying I don't understand... I really do. Harry is 11 years old and Severus doesn't make himself all that easy to get along with. That being said, saving someone's life definitely trumps some unfair and sarcastic comments in class. If Harry had chosen to be the bigger person for once, had gone to apologize and say thank you to Snape, Severus would have been forced to reevaluate his opinion of Harry. I just find it so sad that instead Harry happily settles into his hatred for the man, because hating someone is so much easier than making amends with someone you dislike - and in so doing he reinforces Snape's opinion of him. Understandable, but sad.

Rebecca May

Oh Harry absolutely comprehended what had happened, in my opinion - "He caught Harry's eye and Harry knew at once that Snape's feelings towards him hadn't changed one jot. This didn't worry Harry. It seemed as though life would be back to normal next year." This is the status quo, and Harry has no interest in changing it, though he now has the opportunity. Instead he's accepted the easy explanation that Dumbledore gave him (that Snape saved him because Harry's father saved his life before) and has gone back to hating Severus in peace. Again, I never said I didn't understand it, just that it was sad. I make no excuses for either one of them, but saying that Harry didn't understand what occurred does him a disservice. (Even if you think he didn't have time to understand what happened by the end of the first school year, he sure as hell had time to process it by the start of the next year, when he was saying horrible things about Snape while having no idea that the man was standing behind him.)

Diego Zenhäusern

Something I noticed reading this time: Ron is - other than in the movie - not an idiot that just forgets to make the car invisible until Harry tells him; but instead the car gets reveal to muggles  in London only because the invisibility device fails (which it also does in the movie but just later on...making it even weirder to me that they chose to let Ron look like an idiot instead of depicting it like it hapened in the book). On another note: I find it absolutely adorable that Mrs.Weasley has no clue how large a "muggle car" is supposed to be from the inside😅

Diego Zenhäusern

I think it makes sense for Harry's character not to apologize to Snape. He's been shown to not always be the perfect boy with the best morals (e.g. as Veggie noted multiple times that he was way more petty towards Malfoy in the books than in the movies) and he's also only 11...and of course there's also the narrative perspective to consider. For instance does Rowling's plot twist probably not work to as well as it does if we think that Snape's a pretty decent guy throughout books 2-6.🤔 That said, I also 100% agree with you that it would be diminishing to Harry's character to say he didn't understand the situation enough to see that there might be an opportunity for reconcilliation if he wanted to take it. So I'd agree with you that it was his choice not to grasp this opportunity, either because he didn't believe Snape would ever go for it or because he himself was to petty to try it (and I'd say it was probably a little of both). So all in all I'd say that I think that it's sensible the way it was written from a character and a narative stand point. But I totally understand why this missed opportunity can be a little disappointing/ sad to people. And I think it would also be kinda interesting to see how our story would have looked like if Snape and Harry had been decent or maybe even nice to each other.🤔

Rebecca May

Completely agree with everything you've said here - especially your reasoning as to why Harry didn't choose the reconciliatory route, you're probably spot on there. :) It was never my intention to say that the narrative choice was wrong, either. :) I was only pointing out a flaw in Harry's character (we all know he isn't perfect), how Snape may have been hurt by it, and reminiscing over what could have been if only Harry had taken this particular missed opportunity. After all, like you said, it would be nice to know how the story might have shaped out if either Severus or Harry took the opportunities they were offered to bury the hatchet.

Diego Zenhäusern

Totally agree with you! And thanks for the productive and amicable discussion here🙂.

Rebecca May

Thank you - and the same to you! :)

itsanursething

But what 13 year old girl *doesn't* crush on older guys or teachers?

itsanursething

I totally could have seen McGonagall arranging for them to floo into her office or something. I mean...magic!

itsanursething

This book is where I had my first major issue with the movie versions. Hermione should NOT have known what mudblood meant, let alone be hurt or upset by it. She did not grow up being discriminated against for her blood status or oppressed or being called that name. Even if she had come across it in a book, it wouldn't have carried the same weight. It also took so much away from Ron, and the rest of the Gryffindor quidditch team for that matter. That whole scene (Colin included) was so boring in the movie compared to the book.

Garry (Not Jerry)

Gerry here. I mean Garry. 😆 As a kid reading the bit where they fly the car to school it made total sense to my 12-year-old brain. As an adult, I’m thinking that they just stole ron’s parents’ car! Did they think Molly and Arthur were just going to leave it there? why didn’t Ron and Harry wait for them to come back? They must have noticed that Harry and Ron didn’t go through the barrier! What a pair of numpties!

Garry (Not Jerry)

Movie mcgonagall is not half bad either (“particular proclivity for pyrotechnics”, “a night of well-mannered frivolity”)

Garry (Not Jerry)

I just can’t see Harry apologising to Snape. Not because of his character, but because of the type of relationship a school pupil has with their teachers. If Harry went into a snapes office after class and apologised to him, it would almost seem to deem them as equals. Like people that have a personal relationship. Harry talks to snape about potions and his homework, and that’s about it. If he steps out of line, he is punished for it. Of course when Harry likes his teachers he can develop a more personal relationship with them. Such as with Lupin or Dumbledore. But not snape.

Garry (Not Jerry)

I believe quirrel was also ravenclaw. Again not exactly an ideal representative

Kunzite Blossom

As you said, to your 12 year old brain it made sense. So to Ron and Harry it made sense.

Methanoutput

Had to make sure, i did not skip a chapter because in my german edition the Chapter 'Mudbloods and Murmurs' was translated with 'Die unheimliche Stimme', which means 'the creepy voice'. Anyways reading this chapter, i realized how, for some time, i have been really annoying to my older brother, through the dialogue between Harry and Colin. Colin is so fascinated with everything Harry does and it seems a little bit mean, that Harry is so bored by him, but i can understand why Harry would be annoyed. And why my brother was. :D

sarah4hp

Why would it be in any way disturbing? That is the case for a LOT of teenage girls, and a perfectly natural thing. As a teen girl I had the BIGGEST crush on Viggo Mortensen who played Aragorn in LOTR, and he is 26 years older than me... it was just an innocent crush on a celebrity, and nothing to freak out about. My niece has a giant crush on Tom Hiddleston, aka Loki, and he is 24 years her senior. Let us allow teenage girls to BE teenage girls without making it dirty or wrong for them to have crushes.

sarah4hp

The Lockhart quiz remains the funniest introduction to a DADA teacher ever. He is so in love with himself that all he cares about is that all his students knows his favorite color, what he most wants as a gift, and to hear which of his achievements have most impressed them etc. And then, when it comes to him actually doing magic he can't do anything 😂

Hawwah

People can hate on Professor Snape all they want; the fact remains that he is the teacher most concerned with his students’ physical safety. When Harry and Ron didn't arrive at Hogwarts on the train with others, Snape was the only teacher who noticed they were missing and went to search for them, while the rest of the staff sat at the feast. I think it reveals a lot about his inner character and motivation. One thing that characterizes book Snape is that he is verbally harsh, but always physically gentle. His students' physical safety is number one priority for him. Whether Snape likes or dislikes someone has no bearing on whether he protects them or not. He simply does it. It's one of the reasons why I like book Snape so much.

Annette Elliott

Part of what I love about the books is actually reading about the classes and it's not always Gryffindor and Slytherin taking the classes together. Notice in the book it's Gryffindor and Hufflepuff taking Herbology together. Not Slytherin like in the movie.

Jacqueline Chaiton

babbling bubbling band of baboons is one of my all-time favourite moments in a movie.

Renee Pope-Munro

These chapters include what is by far the most egregious change in my opinion. Giving Hermione Aron’s wizard ing world knowledge robs not on Rob of his agency, but Hermione of the emotional weight of realising she has been the victim of a racial slur. Also, a a proud Ravenclaw it pains me deeply that our first representation is a preening Gilderoy Lockhart 😑 I do think his house sorting raises an interesting point that the defining house feature can come in many guises - as we see with Neville re: Gryffindor’s courage

Thunderbird

@sarah4hp I completely agree. I mean what teenage girl doesn't have a crush on a celebrity like an actor or boyband member etc. I think it is perfectly normal, nothing to be weird about. Also it makes Hermione a lot more relatable and human instead of this perfect person she is in the movies.

Ashley Faith Reacts

How do you feel about book Hermione not being fazed by the mblood comment? I hate they had her cry in the movie AND underplayed the Gryffindor rxns.

Hawwah

Shitty person?

Hawwah

"But what 13 year old girl *doesn't* crush on older guys or teachers? " Me, for example. When I was 13, I had a huge crush on a 13-year-old classmate, not on adult men. When I was 13, even 15-year-old boys were "adult" and therefore "old" from my perspective. I first read Chamber of Secrets when I was 14 and I found Hermione's crush very weird even back then. Now, as an adult, I find it disturbing.

Q

Agreeing with the above comments that Hermione and the other Gryffindors' reactions to the mudblood scene make so much more sense in the book. I think Hagrid's reaction is also really interesting, given what you've said previously about his issues with Muggles. I don't think you're wrong that he holds some (probably unconscious) bias against them, but a) I doubt he's had much interaction with Muggles given how obviously magical he is and b) he does show a lot of compassion for Hermione and disdain for the concept of blood purity, which makes sense given his status in the wizarding world. I also think Neville was poorly represented in the movie scene with the mandrakes. This is his best subject! Having him faint was unnecessary. Anyway, I love watching your reactions! You're doing a great job and picking up on a lot of stuff!

Kattie Martin

I still can't decide if Lockhart is my "favorite" DADA teacher. Just because of how useless he is. How did this guy convince so many witches and wizards that he knew how to do anything is still amazing to me.

Elizabeth Mann

We don't know that's why Snape went to look for them or that he was the only one who noticed. I'm sure Harry's absence would have been noticed very quickly by the staff. Dumbledore's charged him with watching over Harry, so he could have sent him. Also, while movie Snape only berated Harry and Ron for risking the exposure of the wizarding world (which is a fair thing to berate them for), book Snape was more concerned with making assumptions about their big-headed motives and seemed less angry and more gleeful about them getting in trouble. So maybe he came looking for them because he wanted to be the one to have the pleasure of telling them off.

Hawwah

My sweet summer child, you are just as gullible as Harry. Of course we DO know why Severus went searching for the boys. Unlike Harry, we readers know his real allegiance and real intentions. We see him continuously and consistently working to protect Hogwarts students (mainly Harry but not just him) in the background during the course of the whole series. However, as a double agent, Snape can't do this openly. He has to disguise his real intentions, he has to pretend he's not protecting Harry while protecting him nonetheless. Harry, who 1. is a gullible child with black-and-white view of morality 2. doesn't have all the information and 3. wants to see the worst in Snape, repeatedly suspects Snape of some kind of foul play only to be proven wrong again and again. We readers, especially with the benefit of knowing the conclusion of the full series, should know better. Didn't the books teach you anything? One of the recurring themes of the series is "don't judge a book by its cover". Harry trusted Quirrell, young Tom Riddle (from the diary) and Crouch jr. because they acted nice to him, only to find out later that they were cold-hearted murderers plotting his death. On the other hand, he accused Professor Snape of multiple heinous crimes, without any real evidence, just because Snape was stern and unpleasant towards him. Then he couldn't wrap his head around the fact that Snape actually protected him and even saved his life. That's because back then Harry was a child with a childish, black-and white view of morality. However, an adult Harry sees Snape in a completely different light. "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me." (1 Corinthians 13.11) On a seemingly unrelated note: when I first read the books as a teenager, I didn't like Mrs. Weasley very much. She was always scolding her children, always forbidding them something, frankly, I found her pretty annoying. Now, as an adult, I understand that she acts like this because she deeply cares for her children and their safety. I still think she overdoes it sometimes but I 100% understand where she's coming from. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and she's just a big meanie who doesn't want her kids to have any fun.

Fiur

I really like the way Lockhart is presented to the reader. You get immediatly this impresson of charlatanry. However it is also really funny how he just assumes that Harry chose to fly to Hogwarts with the Ford Anglia just because he wanted to be as famous as Lockhart himself. I also really liked that we finally got some more interaction with Hufflepuffs like Professor Sprout and Justin. As always thanks for your dedication and great work. Greetings from Germany.