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Episode 131: Norman Finkelstein Pt. 1 (Patreon)

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2021-01-21 00:33:43
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2024-03-04 16:13:43
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We’re joined by scholar Norman Finkelstein for a frank discussion on growing up, Maoism, Maoism II, the disgraceful legacy left us by our supposed betters, and the origins of his interest in Palestinian freedom. Featuring Noah Kulwin of Blowback Podcast & Jewish Currents.

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Kyle Petty

Before I start this interview, I got to say I love some of the old heads out there, Finkelstein is one of them that is very thought-provoking and should be listened to. I agree with Liz's (James Baldwin) sentiment that the generations have a lot to learn from each other. I like to think that I give people the benefit of the doubt in my life and assume we are friends or on the same side at least. Unfortunately, it has just felt like time and time again that same mentality is not reciprocated from the older individuals I've come across, specifically in the workplace. I will say that is formed a certain bias or bitterness but nonetheless I hope to get over that because there is a lot to be gained from the older generations. I'll double down though, that it would be real nice if they would try to do the same; Not be dismissive, Not move the goal posts, hear pur general comcerns with the current day, but I'm not sure how often that happens anymore. Especially as the Boomers get into their late stage life and at that age old people usually don't listen to anything. I feel like that wise peakness his usually 50's or 60's that stage is passing amd then It's just senile dementia from there 🤣🤣🤣

Methew

Dreams do come true:) thanks TAFS

Liz Epperson

this is such a sweet episode. its like listening to three kids chat with their favorite teacher maybe a few years after graduation. and norman is just the best. love to hear him in a setting where he’s not being tested by idiots.

Rachel

This was so good. What a legend. ❤️

cameron

Love norm. Simple as.

Alec

NO WAY

Hassan Farooq

Lol Brace I remember giving u money for some medical shit like 3yrs ago and they denied me a holiday visa to Turkey bro

Will McCauley

Had the pleasure of hearing norm talk in oregon a few years back and spoke with him briefly afterwards. Genuinely great guy, so glad you guys got him on.

vermouth

Good why the fuck would u want that

vermouth

Play the fuckin time zone song

natalie

YEAH BUDDY

natalie

that was an ironic yeah buddy

Gurjot

Let's fucking gooo!!!!

LL

HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Vincent Utah

The Dersh would certainly not approve. I on the other hand do approve.

kaicycle

Hell yeah 😎

cakcakcak

which tier gets us the [explicit] version

danny

love this man

BruceInAdelaide

Great to hear someone my age like Norman!

BruceInAdelaide

Loved reading the NY Guardian in the mid 70s.

BruceInAdelaide

Brace, did you think in looking back, that having the Sparticists denounce your commendable union drive, had no impact or perhaps even made your drive look more practical??? Sometimes letting sectarians hoist themselves on their own petard can be the best way of managing them.

Taz

Lol you have to ask old people pointed questions or you start hearing about the bleep bus

BruceInAdelaide

BTW, i was anything but a Maoist then or now, but you have to like Comrade Xi!

TM

INCREDIBLE

James Whale

This great . I really appreciate yall interviewing commie elders and olders . We can learn alot.

kaicycle

Norman Finklestein "doing a Maoism"

themaroonlagoon

I could listen to stuff like this for hours upon hours upon hours.

Kati Ketz

Was this who they were talking about in a previous episode where there was technical difficulties?! What an amazing get, hyped to listen to this

Drew Ohringer

God this just brilliant. Acerbic, funny, endearing.

TM

Is he financially okay?

Carine

Never heard and Liz and Brace sound so giddy (but still being great interviewers)

Mick Liebgrin

Long live Norm, this is precocious information, I gotta seek out what he’s up to now, I would listen to way more of him just talking

cstenzy

He's so great to listen to, excited for part 2!

Amber Tellez

Oh, wow! Can't wait to listen to this.

A S

He's so cool. Here's hoping for Part 3 is a cage match against Dershowitz.

Cooper Trevitt

Hearing the bleeped nword from Norman is the one the funniest things I've ever heard on a podcast.

Ringo_the_Cat

Haha, the McDonald’s story is like an inverse version of when my brothers visited me while I was living in China, saw a Bojangles while we were out shopping or something, ran toward it like a mirage only to find it was closed with like ten giant chain locks on the door

Creeping Jeff

I recently watched a group of young Muslim activists interview Mr. Finkelstein and the thing that stuck with me was his claim that the leaders of the Israeli govt aren’t all Zionists, in that they don’t really believe in Zionism or much of anything, they’re just racists that want to stay in power.

Kati Ketz

Would not be able to handle an hour of Zizek sniffles so thank God for that

Justin Hastings

Easily one of your guys’ best episodes

mrakobesiye

That story about his mother hiding her eyes when war was on TV news.... A lot of people today have no idea what the Holocaust was. That he got blacklisted as a denier is a crime

ligia a

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Kati Ketz

What a great episode. I've always referred to Finkelstein as the citation king but I'm switching to citation sniper from now on. All the young ones who weren't familiar with Norman Finkelstein before this: go on YouTube and watch him absolutely body Dershowitz on Democracy Now

Erik Hellsten

great catch guys! getting that feeling when your friends from different circles meet and get along

jjr

Incredible episode. Will be re-listening to this.

disk0

Norman confirmed gamer

Ash

The Fink!!

KYZ

This man is a blessing. Thank you fink, lotta old cranky Palestinians in my fam love you

Rhod

Loved this episode

CC

Finklestien pretty brutally chastised me at a public meeting when I was a Trotskyist kid, at the time I was bumed out. To me it proved he was petty bourgoise and a lib. But nowt as an adult, whose not a Trotskyist, now I can see he was right. 😅

Katra Gedleh

great podcast but as a black listener the constant use of n*gger makes me a lil uncomfortable, especially since theres no black people on the pod...

raychilldolezal

Normie loves the gamer word... bridging generations

tyler

FINK!

bnlar

The old man should stop saying the n-word. He's got quite the comfort with it. Other than that, good job Norm.

Jack Lawrence

Yeah I get that, but it does drive home just how insanely racist everyone was 45 50 years ago. It's in a way good that what was normalized then is abhorrent now.

natalie

why did he gotta drop those n bombs like that..........to no pushback.......a bit offputting

natalie

completely agree it's very hard to get through which is sad bc it's very interesting to hear him talk about palestine and the racism that existed in his community but.....doesn't mean it feels good to hear

Gavin O'Connor

Boop...Boop..........Boop...Boop...Boop.Boop. Boop!

Katra Gedleh

it really was. like it wasn’t necessary at all. that was the last thing a lot of black people heard before they’re brutally murdered and for him to just say it so easily with no hesitation is...weird

Katra Gedleh

Its the fact he said it was such ease that gets to me, like you couldn’t just say n-word with a hard r???

online Leftist Archive Project (LARP)

Love you, Norm. Thanks for your work, and your honesty and courage over the years. You've really cut through ALL the bullshit of our parent's generation and it's amazing.

Daniel Bear

woohoo. (bleeps accounted for...im glad you guys did this interview and posted it. understand that was probably an awkward decision to make. im trying to just be patient with the man, cause there’s a lot to admire there)

orc

They should make an Irishman style movie/tv show about Shanker and the 60s NYC public unions, sanitation strike, John Lindsay, the city bankruptcy, etc

Daniel Bear

i get that they’re probably kinda star struck and all seem a little nervous at the beginning but... think it would’ve been good to call him on it.

Zachary Kaminski

I loved this episode. Listening to norm reminds me of talking to my jewish grandfather, also from brooklyn.

Hazzy

"im going to say the n-word" -Norman Finkelstein. Solid ep my gs

Emily Devereaux

Thank you for having him on your show. Listening to him literally always brings me to tears. He’s a wonderful human being!

Julian

It’s just a fucking word. You’re a ridiculous cry baby.

Julian

Blacks murder twice as many Whites as the inverse, in the US every year. I wonder what they hear before they die?

uleg0

hey TVX why are you listening to TA?

Julian

Because I like it. How is that relevant? Is there a rule I’m unaware of that says in order to enjoy the show I must also suffer ludicrously false victimhood narratives?

Eric Neilson

Finkelstein is right about the Russians sharing experience with the Polish and European jews. Hitler's plans for the Soviets was extremely grim.

Dominik

This was great!!

Chris Ryan

Haha why is everyone so mad about that, he was saying it for a reason wasn’t he? To describe how racist the neighborhood was? I don’t get it

Anonymous

Thank you this broadcast. I look forward to part II.

Dave

Amazing episode.

ClownBabee24

This interview is incredible. Thanks guys.

Christopher (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-09 19:00 Fantastic interview gang! Reminder! Here's Norm owning a Zionist at some uni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vRBingBhKw&ab_channel=Mnthsm
2021-01-21 20:03 Fantastic interview gang! Reminder! Here's Norm owning a Zionist at some uni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vRBingBhKw&ab_channel=Mnthsm

Fantastic interview gang! Reminder! Here's Norm owning a Zionist at some uni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vRBingBhKw&ab_channel=Mnthsm

ryan

What a cliffhanger

Chris Ryan

Maybe you guys are right I haven’t finished the episode yet. I’ll reserve comment. To me thus far it sounded like he was talking about often people used that word. Which is just an uncomfortable truth

Katra Gedleh

1. You pulled that statistic out of your ass 2. Black people barely make 13% of the US population yet make nearly 40% of prison inmates 3. Keep tap dancing uncle tom, maybe one of them might actually like it :)

Katra Gedleh

You can enjoy the show and acknowledge how uncomfortable the word is tf

Taggart

Love you guys- brilliant interview ❤️

Ryan Kane

This was fantastic. Thanks to all of you!

Taggart

Meant to say ... your tunes are magical Yung Chomsky 😊

Tin Hinson (edited)

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2026-09-09 19:00 ngl I heard the cold open & was like fuck Brace is bantering pretty hard with Professor Norman Finkelstein
2021-01-21 21:56 ngl I heard the cold open & was like fuck Brace is bantering pretty hard with Professor Norman Finkelstein

ngl I heard the cold open & was like fuck Brace is bantering pretty hard with Professor Norman Finkelstein

malpertuis (edited)

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2026-09-09 19:00 Can't wait for part 2. He tells his life story so intimately & with real soul, heart - vulnerable honest shit. ♥️♥️♥️♥️
2021-01-21 23:16 Can't wait for part 2. He tells his life story so intimately & with real soul, heart - vulnerable honest shit. ♥️♥️♥️♥️

Can't wait for part 2. He tells his life story so intimately & with real soul, heart - vulnerable honest shit. ♥️♥️♥️♥️

Tyler Reinhard

“as a black man” this old timer gets to drop the n word calling out the details of the racism of his own community back in the day. a lot of pearl clutching going on here; but let’s be real — a real one getting bleeped is always better than the cautious well-meaning outsider afraid of conveying the complexity and gross-ness of how things actually played out. not offensive to me, this dude is explaining shit we need to understand.

Carson H

Fantastic episode

cakcakcak

it is uncomfortable and that’s why it was bleeped and i don’t think it has any moral bearing on anything

Julian

Hahahah you pointing out the disparity in population makes my point even starker. It is a fact, I swear to you. Do some research.

luis

How are your chinese stocks doing comrade

luis

Whats chapo

David Manson

This was one of the great trueanon eps. I really hope you guys take the show more in this direction. It was also really cool to hear Finkelstein just vibing and laughing instead of having to scream at some fucking asshole on a talk show

QUARANTINE DREAM

I adore moments like that in life. I had a fairly famous prof say I was full of shit in front of like 80 ppl in college (he was 100% right), and I absolutely am so happy to have not only had that happen, but to look back on it so endearingly. Important moments.

QUARANTINE DREAM

dude, get another twitter account, it's just a suspension, you can take out this steam mostly on there

David Nepsky

This was the best episode of your podcast to date. It made me cry at the end. And i love Liz doing the intro and conclusion with Brace as a side correspondent

BruceInAdelaide

Hi Luis! I think China is developing a mixed economy with the state leading from the commanding heights.

Ringo_the_Cat

Hi dillards dept! Kinda random but do you recall dillards when they were Gayfers? My grandmother who recently passed worked for them for many years. If you just think the name dillards sounds funny please disregard

Julian

Mr.Hardware, Rather than googling my handle like an obsessed weirdo, your time would be better spent researching crime statistics. Prove me wrong.

Poinks

my favorite part is when he said "situational comedy"

David

If you liked this I recommend watching Paul Jay (TheRealNews) interviewing Finkelstein on youtube.

Catherine Hutchinson

Thank you for having Norman on. He never fails to impress (and sometimes shock). Although he can be combative this interview is moving.

Mark Owen

Fun comparison - when the Germans invaded the USSR in 1941 Stalin also went incommunicado for 2 weeks.

jillian

norm should go on cum town next

Rory

Liz and Felix are honorary zoomers

Rory

Norm actually never said the n word, Nick was just sniping

Sam Zeng

Nick Mullen wants to know your location

S P

What an absolutely delightful episode!

Jessie Marshall

What a wonderful interview. Liz was right. So great to just sit back and listen to someone tell you an amazing life story.

HATERSLAYER420

been bingewatching norm now. fantastic episode, fantastic man. can't wait for pt. 2

non_pacifist

Woah my guy what are you doin

Corey Wagner

I have nothing of any depth to add, but this is maybe one if my favorite episodes. Cannot wait for part 2.

Seth Aronovich

Dr. Finkelstein is an absolute legend.

Quinn

Love Finkelstein so much, surprised to see him on here but very glad. Can't wait for more.

Rene Saller

Hurry up and upload part 2! I'm dying over here!

gatito

norman go on cumtown

Stephen Norrie

Fascinating on racism within his Jewish milieu. Much of this racism (hatred of "handouts", etc) was sublimated as neoliberalism - and seems to be resurfacing today.

Nick Henderson

One of the best interviews you’ve done!

madrabbitvictory

Holy shit. This was one of my favorite episodes.

Adam Brosnan

Best Finkelstein interview I’ve heard, and I’ve heard just about all of them

D.K. Wilson

Rather than fearing you'll be outed as the race soldier you are, realize it's the Internet. That you know there's no equivalent damaging word for you & yours obv makes you grin from ear to ear. It's also telling that you and SO many people fail to see how how intellectually disingenuous you are. You use the FBI for cover when it's convenient yet would, in the sentence following the one where you so proudly quote their context deficient "statistics," call the FBI traitors when an FBI investigation comes anywhere close to outing your favorite authoritarian. (Can you get rug burn through your kneepads??) Oh yeah... also, you do know people lie --- right? Of course they do. And so do the statistics they produce.

Oisín Dubh

This interview made me finally bite the bullet and subscribe. Excellent stuff.

EaZy E

Wait. I’m sorry, what was that word...I wasn’t following.

Sue Bond

Same as other commenters, this interview made me decide to subscribe, though I had been thinking about it for some time. Great stuff!

Anneliese

Thank u liz for looking out for the zoomers ❤️

Anonymous

I love Norman ! So sweet and bitter to hear his story told. The Holocaust industry is such a classic

Katie

As someone who grew up a Jew in post-soviet Russia I love Norman so much... this series has been the best one on the podcast for me so far. Almost teared up on this one. Thank you so much for this!

Kennedy Connor

if you have difficulty with marx. read paul baran's,,POLITICAL ECONOMY OF GROWTH.

Aditya V

A touching episode. Hearing Norman Finkelstein's story was a great experience

Julian

You’re right Mr. Wilson, all the statistics are fabricated.

Zzz

Hero.

Chica del Río

have kept up with Finkelstein a long time, nice to see him on here

Chica del Río

I don’t understand how people are saying they decided to subscribe over an episode behind a paywall that requires a subscription. Is there a way to see this episode outside of Patreon? I might point others to it if so.

slashsecret

TA posts the odd eps on free streaming services

Scott Lenz

Um: RBG, Dice, Cousin Brucie, Chris Rock - all went to Madison.