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Episode 132: Norman Finkelstein Pt 2 (Patreon)

Published:
2021-01-24 20:23:10
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2024-03-04 16:14:00
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We are again joined by Professor Finkelstein, discussing his decades-long relationship with Professor Chomsky, the accusations of holocaust denialism and of course, Alan Dershowitz.

Finkelstein vs. Dershowitz on Democracy Now 

Noah Kulwin on Patreon 

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D G

The link in the notes goes to an incomplete version of the debate which doesn't include some of the parts which Finkelstein referenced in the interview.

D G

The following link goes to a complete version including the parts Finkelstein referenced in the interview https://youtu.be/vxXLPBMst4Y?si=iZXollkEWsjV3JuK Unfortunately it's lower in quality than the other versions. Dershowitz puts his slippery lawyer tricks and tactics on full display.

Dylan Lackey

Norm is the fucking man. Already loved him, but listening to your discussion with him makes me love him even more

Brennan

no offense norm but you should’ve shot that bitch in the head

vermouth

Yo this guy slams

David B. Hobbs

I’m paying for Patreon but my RSS link only provides the free episodes :(

TrueAnonPod

Should be a link on our patreon page for another RSS

David B. Hobbs

I think it’s an ACAST thing? I’ve tried both links + three diff browsers in iOS, but I always end up on the “Allow ACAST” page and when I hit the button it times out — hasn’t happened with any other pods

David B. Hobbs

I cleared my cache, but it now says “We’ve notified the podcast owner with steps to fix access to their private feed.” Sorry!!! Could be a Finkelstein thing? When I DM a link to the birdwatching vertical on his blog I got my instagram suspended for an hour and my friends in the GC couldn't open the link

TrueAnonPod

We emailed em, trying to work it out ASAP

Robert Sayre

Kagan didn't swear in Harris, Sotomayor did.

Doug Cartel

I bet Dershowitz met Natalie Portman and was like I LOVED YOUR PERFORMANCE IN THE PROFESSIONAL Ok I dont see how she would have worked for him if he did say that The joke is he fucks kids

Jaxon

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Sam

Gripping. I wanted to hear about how he fell out with large swathes of the left. Have him back on!

weedworf

Prof finkelstein for 3rd/4th official cohost

Tron Quip

Legendary. Top quality guys. Props.

kaicycle

Chomsky making "typing" noises in the middle of the night 😳

R Finkle

a blessing for ears battered and torn by daily cuomo press briefings.

jack blatt

goodman and dershowitz dated? 🤯

BoYeV

Super secret 24-hour livestream link?

Kevin Hickey

idk if he’s right about Jacko’s “beat it”

Bryon Kinsman

Did I hear allusions to some spicy COVID info from Comrade Finkelstein?

Part Time Stoic

I hope the good Professor fucked that guard up

Blaz Kelbl

Fantastic pair of episodes.

madrabbitvictory

Absolutely the best episodes with a guest. I love Norm.

SMO

Awesome two parter guys

Otto Laakso

Goodman dated Allan Nairn

Otto Laakso

The professor is 70 percent right, 30 percent wrong

Hassan Farooq

The mj stuff was a lovely surprise

Cory

This guy is such a gem. Can’t wait for part 3!!

calvin kilby

Finkelstein is a major personal inspiration for me, it's wonderful you got him on. He's a treasure.

Gavin O'Connor

Could listen to hours more of this man, what a king

Blaz Kelbl

The trick is to listen to it 3 times.

The Lomax Chronicles

Great-uncle Alan, Townes, and now "Goodnight Irene." Greatest hits of my childhood keep popping up, haha.

Milo Keogh

Lmao the Michael Jackson rant was the best part

Kevin Price

What author did Noah mention??

orc

Go off king!

Bryan Skinner

This has been the best stuff in many months. Finklestein slaps. Thanks for this 2 parter.

Scott

What a wonderful interview, very much looking forward to his next appearance.

Izak Kennedy

GO OFF KING plz make him a reccuring guest if he will oblige us

Dr. Ron Jambo

Epic interview even for those who know the whole Finkelstein saga inside-out. I don't think I ever heard him swear before – "Those woke sacks o' shit at Martha's Vineyard!" rofl

Rubicon Crossing Guard

This has been one of the best interviews I've heard in recent memory from a podcast, a radio show, etc. Thank you so much, definitely see if he wants to / can be a recurring guest. Love y'all

LC

This ruled

Rene Saller

The second half of the interview was even better than the first, which I scarcely thought possible. Please invite him back on the show as often as possible. What a delightful and fascinating fellow!

Nic Warnock

Great ep! The soothing storytelling demeanour of Professor Finkelstein sometimes reminded me of Kool Keith’s 98 year old refrigerator story https://youtu.be/66OQ-GPYfCE

James Whale

🙏 greatful for this guy

SoldierBlue

I really appreciated the TVZ reference a few episodes ago. Easily my favorite artist.

Lewis MacKenzie

I don't know about anyone else, but I would be more than happy if TrueAnon became exclusively a Norman Finkelstein interview podcast

Dr. Ron Jambo

You better catch up on the other stuff!

_tarrvis

Or helps them untangle the entire Epstein web that they've been diligently working on

Comedy News

An interview with Finkelstein is 100x more interesting (nowadays) than an interview w/ Chomksy

Tom Owens

Such a great couple of interviews, Norm pushed me over the line to subscribe. Can’t wait till you get him back on.

Dale Sedgwick

Imagining an alternate timeline where Norm fucking mercs Dersh for disrespecting his mother and Epstein gets life in prison in 2007

LL

I love the part where he attacks and dethrones god

R

Thank you, I love these interviews and miss the self effacing deeply nerdy deeply feeling deeply committed voices of academics like Prof Finkelsteins. #freenormanfinkelstein

Larkin Cruice

How are you gonna let Norm say the N word several times in the first episode? That should have been cut or used as a reason to explain to him that just cause he is old he can’t say the N word... pretty shameful honestly. I don’t think he’s a racist and love him generally but, that was extremely offensive.

Andy

Jesus, they already bleeped it

a clash of purple

Shut up. If you need it explained, he wasn't saying it "just cause he is old," he was saying the word because that's how the people he's describing talked and he wanted to emphasize how prejudiced they were. Besides, Norman Finkelstein is far past giving a shit about stupid discussions about who does and doesn't have a hood pass or whatever.

Larkin Cruice

Have a “hood past”? The fact that he says it at all, he has no concept of how hurtful his words are and is too arrogant to be corrected. Bleeping it is besides the point.

Harry P. Ness

He very clearly has a concept of how hurtful those words were, which is obviously why he told us that people in his life said them. Are you a woke text-to-speech bot or something?

Harry P. Ness

Jesus fucking Christ, I can't stop thinking about your dumbass comment. Like, you think you're helping fight racism by going after a man who is laying bare the truth of what his friends and elders said behind closed doors? You think you're helping by bursting into tears every time you see a bilingual crayon box? You think, you, a person with the world's whitest name, is going to protect black people by trying to convince others that no one has ever said the n word? How the fuck did you even find this podcast? How do you dress yourself in the morning without curling up into a ball and crying?

georgie

are you guys gonna do another q and a?

Corey Wagner

Seriously, my favorite two episodes of the show. I was telling my girlfriend about the episodes and she actually got to see him speak some time 10+ years ago.

Yugopnik

While Norman is truly a brilliant mind I'm getting some psychopathic vibes from the dude. A really "raw" motherfucker. Kinda makes me like him even more.

Katie

His “falling out” with many on the left was over his repudiation of BDS. He used to make $$ in speaking fees from pro-Palestinian groups, but then he burned that bridge by taking up the same stance re: BDS as most liberal Zionists and then digging his heels in when Palestinians criticized him for it.

lkmewqa

how many n bombs does he drop in pt2?

Lee Bryant

I would find it cynical to wait to release this for free

Lee Bryant

For everyone not to hear him say, "flying fuck" like this shit is remotely defendable. That defeat, that anguish, that how do we not see this? That is palatable. It shouldn't be behind a pay wall. It's moving.

Brian Zane

Amazing interview. Question: what do you think he did to the nazi?

babygurl

Fuck I just caught up to the present epi and now I cant just binge these

Larkin Cruice

Lol Get off my dock then. It just shows your white privilege and fragility that you can’t take a genuine criticism about an old whit man being out of touch and therefore inadvertently racist. Saying the N word isn’t a joke or something that that can be thrown around by so-called leftists even if it’s used to validate a point about overt racists. Grow up you child.

Larkin Cruice

Why don’t you go around saying the N word? Or maybe you do..

Harry P. Ness

It seems like you really believe that what you're saying in good faith so I'm going to stop being a smartass to you. You've made it clear that you understand *why* many of us consider it productive for Finkelstien use the whole word when revealing how racist someone was. I urge you to consider whether it's wise for YOU to decide that someone who personally experiences racism is less capable of coming to the same conclusion. I've been accused of trying to be a white saviour in my younger, woker days. I was told that it was insulting to treat black people as a monolith who need to be spoken for. I believe the folks who told me this were correct to do so. In 11th grade history, my teacher showed us raw death camp footage. She also showed us super racist old Disney cartoons. She thought is was important that we see the ugliness and be repulsed by it, rather than just be left to imagine it for ourselves. Was this a harmful act on her part? Why?

Larkin Cruice

First, there is no utility to Professor Finkelstien using the N word, when using a place holder to illustrate the exact same image takes away nothing from his story or message. Second, an old white man using the N-word is alienating and insulting to BIPOC people who might otherwise be receptive to his politics. I believe he thinks saying it serves some educational value, but it doesn't and he obviously hasn't done the education necessary to understand that he should not be personally using the word. Did your high school history teacher personally use racial slurs to teach about the holocaust? Norm needs to update his vocab, stop being so stubborn and prideful, and ask someone not white what they think about him using it. Your knee jerk defense of him and all the likes it got is emblematic of a larger problem of personality worship and uncritical thought that is too common on the anti-woke left. It borders on white male chauvinism. Learn how to take criticism. Learn how to modify your position when you are incorrect. Its not personal, more for all the white male leftists on this page.

Harry P. Ness

I stopped doing woke performance allyship *because* actual bipoc told me to stop, so I suggest you learn how to take criticism. It's not personal, more for all the constantly weeping grad students on the internet.

Solomon

I don't speak for all Black people but I do speak for me. I always get the hairs on the back of my neck standing up when a White person says the N-word. But they sit down after I pay attention to the context. Context matters. He clearly wasn't saying it to offend. I feel like White people are more knee-jerk pissed about any use of that word than most Black people. Again. I only speak for one Black person...me. I'm more upset at Finklestein shitting on the right to a defense which would honestly harm way more Black people than any word. So lawyers shouldn't defend someone of they think they're guilty? That's absurd. We all just assume racial or even class bias wouldn't lead a bunch of lawyers to deny defense to people they assume are guilty without looking at the facts. Everyone deserves a defense, period! From some guy accused of selling an eighth of weed to Eichmann....No one should sell weed to Eichmann. I like Finkelstein's sense of absolute indignation but he can be a bit sloppy and self-righteous.

Lettuce Jones

Best guest by far. I first learned about Finkelstein from the ALAB podcast, but these interviews gave me such a better idea of who he is and what he's done. I started watching the democracy now debate and GOD DAMN it's amazing, a must watch!

Michelle C

"Let" lol give me a break. If that is what offends you then absolutely no one here gives one tiny fuck what you think or feel

Andy

The N word is Norman

DH

I love that you kept in Norm answering the phone.

Chica del Río

I understand that Finkelstein doesn’t want the guilty to be released, but it’s hard for me to understand how he has forgotten the point of why protecting the innocent is valued higher. Does he understand why the death penalty is a bad idea? The fact is that some people in jail are not guilty because the system is not perfect. If you weigh it in favor of jailing the guilty over trying to avoid accidentally jailing the innocent, you stack the deck further against impoverished defendants. I’m not such a fan of adding to the power of the state to crush defendants such as the way the state has bulldozed whistleblowers and people like Aaron Swartz. Or people like Julian Assange. And there are also lot of innocent black defendants that are assumed guilty over a bias towards their race. So the rush to judge and punish the guilty seems wonderful when you’re certain someone is guilty, as in the examples that infuriate Finkelstein, but even though you may feel certain, it is better to provide the right to a defense because you have to treat everybody the same. If you don’t offer a defense to the powerful, you then deny it to the underclass too. Unless you can solve the problem of making punishment of the innocent become impossible, protecting the innocent from a mistaken conviction is more important. In the end, punishments of the guilty by the State are not as important as protecting the innocent from state excesses. Aside from that one point, which someone else mentioned above as well, I was very happy to listen to all the thoughts and memories Finkelstein discussed.