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Episode 146: Mandalay (Patreon)

Published:
2021-03-25 05:16:30
Edited:
2024-10-11 00:17:08
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2026-06
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Felix Biederman joins us for a mind-numbingly long journey into the mysteries surrounding the largest mass shooting in American history. Featuring: the aerospace industrial complex, scuba gear, video poker, 4chan, Ellen DeGeneres, bingo parlors, George Soros, and more.

Check out Felix's new show, Time for My Stories 

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Keanu

he’s the only funny person on chapo.

Eric

As a notion, what if he did leave a “note”, but it was perhaps “retrieved”

Michael S. Judge

Paddock's mother sitting alone in her house like Sarah Palmer drunk and watching 5 seconds of nature-doc violence looped over and over ... that really bothers me

Peanut Horse

Watching this in 2024, and after reading about countless terrible police responses to shootings in the recent past, it honestly sounds like most of the weirdness from this story can be attributed to the Vegas PD and Casinos collaborating to cover up for the fact they were totally useless despite being armed and outnumbering paddock, along with the small possibility the Vegas PD couldn’t catch or let an additional shooter go.

Peanut Horse

Imagine how much money Vegas would lose, how much scrutiny would be put on that city and their officials in such a short time, if instead of the national story being a gambling addict was able to do this because he had bumbstock, the national story was that the LVPD was too pussy to handle the situation after an hour of shooting, and possibly let one accomplice get away

Lochlyn

Shut up nerd

radiofreeada

The sheriff at the time is now the governor of Nevada 🤔🤔🤔

Shannon

years late here but as a former hotel employee i can confirm that hotSOS does have a feature that flags open doors. i am not sure when it is triggered (if it’s any time a door is open or only after a certain amount of time), but i did go into the server room at work and fuck around with the system to confirm the feature exists. also people pronounce it hot sauce lol

Sam

I think this is 100% the thing.

Sam

Didn’t chaos come out in 2019? This sounds 1:1 with mk ultra. His father was a criminal who kept getting paroled for no apparent reason. US Air Force is all over this. Paddock had no criminal record or history of violence prior to the event and then does something beyond heinous (jimmy shavers). Surprised you didn’t even surmise here.

CJ

R.i.p. David Lynch 🌹

Waleed

I don’t understand why people always say this same shit. 1. It was a big deal. 2. It still is talked about. 3. It has a trigger movement. 4. There is a memorial site.

buttface

Damn, why did felix have to be on this

Chapo Bath House

This is a weird detail to pick from this ep, but the stryofoam and blades could be to arrange the artificial flowers. pretty sure Michaels sells them all in one aisle lol

Swimaroo

Felix wanting to be a Tengu is very on brand: blows fat clouds? ✅️ mischievous? ✅️large beak and martial art prowess? ✅️ unusally birdlike ??? 👺

Joey

They definitely didn’t solve anything lol. Unfortunately

Hampton

The glass wasn’t broken

Evan Staggs

Brace is correct about the shell casings, however, it is possible and there are models that catch the casings within the helicopter to prevent damage

Josh

Damn it took 146 episodes of True Anon to get to the first mention of Hasan Piker. Sad that it’s over, but happy I can finally move on to episode 1 of Chapo Trap House to see how long it took them.

Tonksndante

I'm not gonna ask why you're looking for that. Am gonna ask you for a timestamp though

Tonksndante

I think it was 49mins to answer my own question

k

Stickdeath wow what a trip down memory lane

Your Mum

Listening to this in 2026. Pulled up Eminem’s 2020 darkness video - at the end you see all this news feed discussing various shootings. The audio talks about a San Antonio school shooting - wanted to know which one he’s talking about it so I looked it up, and first results are instead from a few hours ago. Maybe five dead in a school shooting in San Antonio today. … gun reform now Jesus Christ

Reece Coren

So Paddock was running guns using his military intelligence connections, the Vegas shooting was actually a shootout from a major gun deal gone wrong, and the casinos covered it up because they at least knew about if not actively facilitated these deals?

ian e

🍿👁🍿

Brendan Garcia

My relationship with the world will never be the same.

kaicycle

3 hours of mental health degradation fuck yes

Vincent Utah

Don’t listen to anything Felix tells you about Stitcher. He has betrayed us all.

Equality State Of Mind

Three hours. Jesus fucking Christ. A real estate psycho wanted to get the high score, and you sickos made the goddamn Snyder cut.

Noah

Finally

Josh

Can someone tell me what Twitter account Felix is referring to at 8:30? It sounds like “deddy”

Avalon W-K (edited)

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2026-09-09 19:00 biiiiitch it was bedtime til now!!! >:^)
2021-03-25 05:38 biiiiitch it was bedtime til now!!! >:^)

biiiiitch it was bedtime til now!!! >:^)

Claire Simon

Literally making a three hour drive tomorrow THANK YOU BRACE AND LIZ

Adam

bird man rubbing hands gif

Anonymous

This is my snyder cut. Thank you

kerry

been hoping for an ep on this 💯

Jessica S

Four hours of TrueAnon with Felix bonus? Yes, please. 🎟

S

Paddock episode is here, yeesss

Mr knucklehead

inland empire shout out 20 minutes in love it

Zukunft

Hell yeah dude.

Part Time Stoic

This is the healthiest thing you could ever stay up listening to.

SammyG

Oh fuck oh shit

Lewis Richardson

Is this not showing up in the RSS for anyone else?

TrueAnonPod

It won’t show up till tomorrow morning; there’s some problem with acast where the files too big for them but not patreon. It’ll be up tomorrow in RSS

Andrew Kuhs

Holy shit, 3+ hours?!?!? Thank you!

P Red

Felix and Brace together are such a intense riffing combination it almost gave me an overdose

Matthew Floratos

3+ hours? Dios mio what an effort from you four. Thanking you kindly

elle

the purest soul on twitter

Sélène

Thanks for the notice! Glad you're on the phone with the CEO of ITunes and gave them the ok to add the most powerful servers for this massive episode.

elle

thank you for returning eric paddock to his rightful place in the discourse

Dallas

Can't believe I'm saying this about a 3 hour episode, but this is begging for a part 2. I NEED to know more about the Soros connection and the mysterious survivor deaths.

jules

thank you yung_chomsky i cannot imagine editing 4+ hours of this.

Robert

but was the show noisy?

Nelbird

Why u gotta do video poker like that dawg??

Liz

Shit yeah

Loic

What an imposition! Thanking the help is the most loathsome burden.

Kyle

I was good friends with a chick who survived this shooting. Fucked her up real bad.

Adam Gorvin

Three hour episode with Felix?! This is Christmas in March baby

Bingo Bongo

in vegas there were a few pop up memorials the year after, and one in the clark county treasurer's office, but that's all gone now. people in vegas still have "vegas strong" on their cars, but no one talks about the shooting anymore.

Matt Pierce

The arms dealer angle isn't something I'd heard before. Makes a lot of sense.

Sophia

me listening to this while at my data entry job

Dan Z

Please do more 3 hour episodes. I gave a lot of time on my hands

Andrew

Styrofoam ball is to stick fake flowers into

Eamon

Happy Birthday to me, been dying for Las Vegas Deep Dive

philip podolsky

Such great points from Liz on the dark banality of the Paddock family with their cockroach mentality

jillian

Lets fucking gooooooooooo

Biglacheese

First off, one of my favorite episodes of any podcast, second I would pay for and listen to a podcast of felix and brace talking about guns they like every other week

Wilson Garrett

was literally just reading the wikipedia page for the vegas shooting last night. it’s insane the way the hotel countersued the family members of victims and legit profited off the shooting.

hellbitch

On the following Sunday the Santa Rosa fires started and lasted for two weeks. October ‘17 was wild as hell.

Mosie

I think about how effectively this was erased from the cultural memory often. What a weird and tragic event it was.

stuckforever

This happened in 2018?!?!?! What the fuck it feels like it happened so much longer ago. Feel like i would have said Obama was president when this shooting happened.

Monty Tenderson

The most interesting part for me was at the end, Liz running through the people who claimed to see multiple shooters on the ground and subsequently died.

Zack Burke

Matt' Christman's idea that this was Paddock's kind of twisted 'final victory' is the only thing that really makes sense, and I think it's the scariest motive.

Dalton Wilcox Cowboy Poet Laureate

Yes we listened to the whole thing. One of my favorite episodes. Jim Breslo also talks about ufos. Wish Brace would of chimed in

Alex

One of my coworkers was a concert goer Paddock shot and killed. I didn’t know her that well but one day I went in and saw her talk about her plans that weekend and the next time I went in she was gone. I didn’t really grieve because it wasn’t my place, but it was just an incredibly surreal experience for me.

Baron

Glad I’ve been rewatching season 2 of Twin Peaks this week, Bruce is incredibly Leland-esque, great ep 👍🏼

Zachary Hardy

This is the shit I pay for. So spooky, I remember seeing some crazy stuff at the time so let's see what TrueAnon have dug up a few years later.

Baron

“Roy” is evil 😎

Catherine Skinner

This is an episode that calls for that feature that made Brace send out like ten emails a few months ago

Kamal Ortiz

2017 but your overall point still stands, for sure

Jacob

4 hour episode? Let Fucking Goooo

Shane

a dream literally a dream!

Micheline

THREE HOURS BITCH?!

Micheline

Nvm I’m excited

D. Elwood

as someone who owns a 1911 and an M1A, lemme tell you, Springfields just feel incredible; fantastic pieces of machinery, Felix has good taste.

Jesse

During discussion of Jesus Campos, nobody mentions this article qting his brother in law, who said that Campos said Paddock was on a first name basis with many of the staff, who knew that he had guns with him. He was a high roller, you don't think staff are going to be suspicious of someone bringing 21 suitcases up to the suite? Also explains that Ellen show was completely scripted and shot ahead of time, MGM put his family up at the Vdara and flew him to Mexico, a trip he had planned before the shooting. The author might be a good guest, he seems to have hit this beat pretty hard. https://baltimorepostexaminer.com/exclusive-mgm-resorts-international-buys-mandalay-bay-security-officer-jesus-campos-silence-with-all-expenses-paid-trips-condos-in-exchange-for-nda/2018/12/09

MD

Cmon Liz you can’t just tease Leon Czolgosz conspiracy theories and not deliver.

Josh

Yeah according to PA SCHOOL BONDS on Twitter he's a Nazi

weedworf

Ive been waiting years for this i have tears in my eyes 😭

Marc Silverstein (edited)

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2026-09-09 19:00 San Francisco & Chicago Jew mashup
2021-03-25 21:27 San Francisco & Chicago Jew mashup

San Francisco & Chicago Jew mashup

Mondo_TV

I’ve heard JANET referred to as Just Another Non Existent Terminal by everybody’s favorite Area 51 truther Bob Lazar.

Part Time Stoic

Link to where he said this? I want to hear the cushbomb’s take on this.

Bryn Nieboer

seriously tho what's Roy's @?

Jaxon

sushi COMPED

wonderfell

I love a 1 hour episode with 2 hours of felix bits mixed in

Louis

In rapper Eminem's song titled "Darkness" on his January 2020 album Music to Be Murdered By, the song and the accompanying music video portrays Stephen Paddock's thought process before the shooting while also serving as a metaphor for Eminem's nervousness before a concert performance.

Stateside Reds

about 3 or 4 months ago Matt mentioned the Vegas shooting on his stream. I accept that I’m a computer illiterate Gen Xer, but I found it incredibly hard to find anything about this event. which is just insane, given the nature of the internet. I found the tv interviews with the brother, but never really found anything else beside news clips that were big standard local stuff.

Zack Burke

Shit fam. Either a Cushvolg or one of the live Trueanon streams on Youtube. It's all just a blur.

Gustavo Bartolo

4chan had one of those "some of you guys are cool, don't go to x" joke posts about Las Vegas shortly before the shooting.

calvin kilby

anyone else having playback trouble or is it just me?

Slartibartfast

I want an Elon episode and I’m gonna throw a fit until I get what I want. You won’t see it but trust me I’m breaking all my toys and wetting myself right now.

Noah Mingus

This episode was listened to by Jeffery Epstein who is alive right now in Eugene Oregon.

Doug Welch

Wasn’t Douglas Haig a British General in WW1?

QUARANTINE DREAM

dude, felix. I adore you for that area 51 story. because i remember saying to my dad "DAD I KNOW WHAT HE MEANT BY E=MC2 I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT WHAT IT MEANS" and he was like, dude, it's not a mystery

QUARANTINE DREAM (edited)

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2026-10-23 11:00 oh please do dorner <3
2021-03-26 01:22 oh please do dorner <3

oh please do dorner <3

JD

Props to the dream syndicate reference!!!

Jeff

*trump voice* it’s the perfect podcast episode But for real tho i was hoping y’all would cover this at some point. Glad felix got in on it. Brace's soda metaphor is on point; so many threads to pull but nothing ever adds up. One thing i didnt hear you mention is it turns out paddock was VERY into gun rights and all that; would get “triggered” (yep, i said it) when the topic came up. I think one of the brothers' interviews touches on that. A lot of right-wing terrorism energy to it, also considering that he worked for the IRS just to learn how to hide income (which you did mention). Also that in months prior he apparently booked rooms in other hotels strategically overlooking other concerts, almost like he was doing dry runs, or maybe he was legit gonna do it then but got cold feet. While the topic is obsession-worthy in its own right, it’s especially pertinent for me because i happened to be there on vacation when it went down. ~2 miles north of there that night but was staying in Old Vegas. My own anecdote contributes little to the greater narrative but as another comment said, it was surreal. Of course it continues to be.

Charles Ralston

I hit a royal flush on video poker and got that hand pay jackpot. few know

P

Kinda wish you guys got a little more tin foil on this one to be honest. I mean the George soros shit and the witnesses dying is kinda insane and brace kinda pushed it off

Shane Gill

I envy everyone who listens to this after me and gets to experience it for the first time.

christina morrison

I live in Vegas and there are “Vegas Strong” things everywhere, memorials each year, etc. The memorial this year was not as extravagant because of COVID, but it still happened (I know survivors of the shooting, and they attended). It died out of the media quickly simply because it hurt tourism, which is the entire Vegas economy. Obviously they would hush the story ASAP, they bury any stories of violence on the strip. I never understand why anyone is weirded out by this aspect.

boop

i love that felix referenced two different fromSoft video games without liz or brace noticing :) also: SOROS? ELLEN? SCUBA GEAR?!?!?!

Casey

"A low level defense contractor" also is the job of Michael Douglas' character in Falling Down. A movie which basically predicted all of this

QUARANTINE DREAM

ok, i'll just do the real work on my next podcast and declare some obvious true facts

Leo

Does any one remember the YouTube lady who sent by “sane progressive” ?she thought the Las Vegas shooting was totally stage and just lost it

John S

The 'crazy lady' saying everyone is gonna die is reminiscent of the 'girl in the polka-dotted dress' from Ambassador Hotel lore.

Claire Simon

I need to stop commenting on shit when I’m drunk

Grigori

www.reddit.com/r/OccultConspiracy/comments/78p48i/twin_peaks_vegas_syncronicity/

Blanket!

wait who r roy and detty (prob mispelled) on twitter i wanna follow

Tex

Do an episode on the Nova Scotia shootings

shoutout2hisFamily

Regarding video poker being paddock’s game of choice: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/las-vegas-shooter-made-video-poker-his-job/ If you 1) play optimal strategy, 2) at certain machines offering the best odds, 3) at casinos offering big comps/perks for big gamblers, it is possible to beat the house for a decent income but it’s an absolutely miserable existence. I used to live in Vegas and know many people who grind out like $100k in betting volume each year trying to break even to get top tier vip casino cards for things like free rooms, meals, valet parking etc. usually takes them like 12-18 hours to put in that kind of volume.

Sam Sal

I’m still listening

Tex

thanks!

Rob McGrail

isn't the styrofoam ball for sticking the flowers into

Jon

A boomer felt like he lost status.

spiritual mick

Excellent ep. Fun fact: coming to your city is the theme song on Sean Hannity’s radio show

HEATHER

This coming out just as we experience another shooting really added to the impact. fuck

small_brainman

so glad you guys were able to solve/crack this case! I haven't listened yet but I've been researching this off and on for like years and I can't wait to hear what you dug up!!

Alexander Cabot

Great episode. Just thinking how it’s not like a forefront event in media or engrained in our psyche like sandy hook. Makes me think that if it was a “deep state”event, that they realized mass shootings don’t have as strong as an impact OR they realize more and more people are catching on and they have to be very careful with how tracks are covered and not be so blatant.

Julian

Why would he cut a check to the IRS if this was being planned?

HATERSLAYER420

i hope they see this post! that about the author at the bottom is interesting enough to have him on for that alone lol

pod accoster

I came back to sift through the comments to find out roy's handle. Can't find it!

Blanket!

damn well thanks for trying! I'll let you know if i ever find out lol

DH

Because it was the deadliest mass shooting in American history and no one cared about it after only a few days??? Lol

2na

Do a SEALS episode with Jocko

Trevor Brown

Doesn’t want them garnishing his wages in hell?

christina morrison

First of all, everyone is lying to themselves with the narrative in general, I didn’t live in vegas at the time of the shooting and I remember hearing all about his gf (a big story was whether or not she was involved) and his weird ass family. Not to mention all of the security footage of him carting in the bags of guns. If you literally google “las vegas shooting” + any major news organizations there are stories up to a year later (if not longer). If it dropped off of broadcasted news then, again, it was most likely done under the influence ($$$) of the Strip casinos, as (once again if you spend literally 1 min googling) they suffered MAJOR drops in numbers directly after the shooting. I am NOT saying there isn’t anything weird regarding Paddock himself, but the news regarding the event is the LEAST weird part of this.

Rai

great ep. wish y'all weren't so obsessed with being weird about fat ppl tho lol. (tbf this is mostly brace)

natalie

I thought the exact same thing, it triggered me back to liz commenting on (i think) meghan mccain's weight in an episode. I looked up a photo of the man they're talking about and he's really not that outstandingly fat lol

natalie

liz the "call her big daddy" joke deserved more laughs

Rai

yea like I get they're edgy or whatever but being shitty about fat people isn't exactly counterculture lmaoooo

Woke Batou

Can totally see Felix with a 1911, tho I always thought he'd be a USP guy for Metal Gear Solid reasons

gen~

"–I will NEVER call it CzEcHiA… but Czechia,–"

T P

God damn felix is annoying af edit that shit out.

Jordan J

Burn After Reading 2

thanksgoku

Would also love a follow up ep

Sparrow

this but unironically

used to be steve

Last week I just booked a room at the Mandalay Bay for Psycho las vegas in August 🤷‍♂️

Callie Ogborn

Three hours of trueanon I’m cumming

Rand

The ep was not as satisfying as I expected but brace’s soda metaphor kinda explains that. I with they had covered that video that came out of those four guards escorting some vip out, came out the night of the shooting I think. Also, I think more could be made of the pic of paddocks obliterated head leaking so fast. This is the first shooting where that happened and it is sus af. Almost like they knew they were losing control of the narrative early and were doing damage control.

malpertuis

I thought Tengu were notorious boy knappers

luis

Insane shit. Would hate to be expected to find an explanation for all this... chaos

Hazzy

same boat :^)

G

This was frustrating I feel like Liz was right about a lot of stuff and ready to go down that path and they just explained everything away like the phones and helicopters

Danny

heroes by berardi might be interesting to you

Gregory

Felix must become what he hates so that he can destroy the Satanic Pedophiles.

Roxanne Tromly

And razor blades to cut the styrofoam

Comedy News

kind of a great episode. I wouldn't mind if they were all like this!

Ronaldo

Roy is @chiweethedog

Ronaldo

@chiweethedog

Chris Lunn

Felix playing too much sekiro lol

babygurl

I prefer when there is more of a parity between jokes/info ratio. Felix took us on many tangents, some not particularily funny? It felt hard to follow the paddock narrative with him and it seemed like there was a lot more content/ground you might have covered w/out him

babygurl

That being said, I found some of the gun talk particularily interesting (cause I know nothing about them) specifically the parts when you covered where guns are being traded and what regions have what weapons due to trade routes etc.

Lake Thursday

Who hasn't gone to a Walmart and bought fake flowers and styrofoam balls before? The store places them centrally between the greeting cards and craft supplies, which is en route to office supplies and home decor. Because of the diverse category of things that fake flowers and styrofoam balls are included under, it's hard to resist the temptation to visit the aisle and buy a styrofoam ball, since when we were kids, it seemed like there was always some science project or lifehack from a Scholastic book fair spy kit book around the corner. Now in adulthood, they have an attainable, all-purpose mystique. You would only go down this aisle if you had no other driving purpose for going to the Walmart. You visit the styrofoam ball aisle when you have nothing to do but walk around Walmart and see what's there. I routinely buy fake flowers -- loved globally -- when I visit a Walmart, since they have rotating designs, and their organic shapes stick out among the aisles of big box and categorized products. Almost the opposite of a styrofoam ball, which I have purchased during the same Walmart trip before. I haven't used either in a meaningful way. Anyway great episode!

S.E. Nyarady

am I just totally misremebering, I could have sworn like 160 not 60 people died

Charliemars

2oz of every soda..that's a suicide. *chefs kiss*

Equality State Of Mind

I guess I'm not as far gone as y'all, but to me, Paddock was just a rich gun nut who would come up and talk to people at the range. I've met a half dozen guys like him.

Equality State Of Mind

(The ones I met didn't spend all their time in Vegas, accounting for their lack of murderous alienation.)

Grenadine Vetch

This episode got me from Reno to the Bay without so much as a peepee stop. Been haunting me ever since- so impressed.

Shane

Okay the stock shorting thing absolutely fucked my brain

John

Thats actually a pretty good explanation. Although it is still weird that there’s no truthers out there.

Gabriel Page

Felix is consistently not funny. The laughs he occasionally does manage seem so forced lol

J W

Fantastic episode. I wrote down a few notes while listening. - The FBI closed the case without determining a specific motive. I think Paddock intentionally denied them this knowledge, knowing it would simply hurt his victims more and build his infamy. - A Stanford scientist studied Paddock's brain. While he did not find brain damage that could explain some of his behavior, he did find a large number of deposits on his brain (far more then should have been present in a man his age). The deposits in question are not believed to serve as a basis for violent behavior, but they are an active area of research. NYT did a writeup of this. Maybe in a few years we'll know more. - I agree the behavior of the Eric brother was bizarre in those interviews, but my personal reaction was just that he was shocked by what happened. The 2nd day he came out for interviews, he stood there for a full minute or 2 just to sniffle and try to choke back tears. Most families hire a lawyer to speak for them in a situation like this; I wish he had done the same. Again, that's all just my subjective take. - Your discussion of Jesus Campos was fantastic, and I have really nothing to add other than I think people should watch the video for full effect. - I personally don't read too much into the missing hard drive. Other shooters have done the same thing to protect their privacy. The Virginia Tech shooter in 2007 tossed his phone and hard drive prior to the shooting.

saigyo

y'all are the best. that is all.

meee

This is super late but as someone who has used HotSOS—- it is not an automatic system. When employees receive calls/complaints from guests, employees manually enter the information into the system. There are preset options (like guest needs bedding, how many pieces, etc) but it’s possible to type notes. Guards typically only go to specific rooms or floors because of HotSOS messages, so I buy it.

the self-chiller

buddy, you're number 1 and don't let anyone tell you differently. my light and my star.

DarylBarenziah

This is the spookiest shit I’ve ever heard

Nicolas

Also why wouldnt there be an alarm if a door was open for a longer duration