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Episode 229: Scrolling Towards Bethlehem (Patreon)

Published:
2022-05-31 13:14:41
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2024-10-11 00:15:57
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We are joined by Ben Tarnoff, author of the forthcoming book Internet for the People to discuss the early wave of internet marketization, platform capitalism, and whether or not we should blow the whole thing up.

Episode 18: DARPA Marx 

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Josh

“… Kalshi, have you heard about this?” Oof what a bad omen of awful things to come.

Don Workman

Yep another great. Pod cast I will be listenin 2 this one on my way back frm a Cat Stevens rally I’m about to be attending.

Buster Malino

Brace went to the Philippines and gave everyone there a big kiss. Little did he know, he gave everyone mono

John McElroy

Sniffle-upicus strikes again

aghs

5th

Luke Buckley

Looking forward to listen to this as I spread misinformation to all the old people at the nursing home

tMinozaJ

Brace is pretending to be sick to conceal the real truth: Coindexter is slowly absorbing him from the inside

csalyer .

RIDE THE INTERNET

Ellie Voyyd ⚧️

trueanon on Neocities when? F4F follow me on neocities!!! neocities.org/site/elucidatedvoyyd thanks

justdave

My minds eye says portland is a nexus of evil and nihilsm

William

Chaining digital assets to the Blockchain in web three sounds like the precursor to what davos assholes want to do with the great reset

sir peepus

get well soon bracey

Antipaganda

I'm assuming that Brace means he got it on with a succession of really short people in assorted ethnic outfits. And everyone was singing constantly.

Exotic Instinct

Had a buddy who played Myst 2 mods online with the point and click inventor. He took the cash and hit easy street, just gamed out.

Lucas

❤️sympathy for Brace❤️

Graham Hoese

I'm just gonna say it, this episode is not very accommodating to the Amish community, wtf is the internet?

Jessica S

Coughing = new scarlet letter, for sure. I finally got a doctor note confirming historical explanations of coughs (allergies, etc) so they’d stop sending them home from school for non-COVID reasons. Too many busy-bodies reporting “concerns” to the office. Even documentation of prior COVID case wasn’t enough to stop the insanity. Gah.

Frank

Mucinex guy is cool. Tough look for Liz

JK

It's a mistake to try to talk about the political economy of the internet without centering the geopolitics of the internet. The internet was created by and for the US mil/int/security apparatus, and the political-economic conflicts around the internet today are secondary to the conflicts within and between (1) US mil/int/security apparatus (2) foreign states (China, EU) and sections of US capital (tech entrepreneurs) trying to carve out relative autonomy from the US state. The debate around "centralization vs decentralization" is largely dominated by different factions of the US state and capital which are cynically advancing their own interests. Both "centralized" and "decentralized" visions of the internet tend to ultimately serve different visions of US military imperialism. It's not meaningful to talk about "creating a good internet" outside of a discussion of a strategy to abolish the US government. It's a utopian waste of time. It makes as much sense to develop left reforms of the internet as it does to develop left reforms of the US military or intelligence establishments.

Lizard

God gives his worst sniffles to his bravest warriors (also shoutout to OMSI)

justdave

In this final hour of trueanon let us pray that brace succumbs to his illness quickly and bravely, and doesn't go out like a sniveling little baby coward, using all his wealth and resources to cling to life, becoming a real life nosferatu, Amen 🙏

Internet jones

White House webpage might have been a bad example lol. Remember my 6th grade class finding this out in middle school

Jon W

The most cowardly thing Brace could do is adandoning his commitment to becoming an Adult Baby in his final hours

AfroCommie

Get well soon Brace, only listened to the trailer and you sound stuffed :(

Jde Chzbrger

First internet use, not a clue when it was explained, 1993 Baltimore, I was 11, I looked up guns, then sports illustrated swimsuit models, now we got algorithms all up in our shit. Boobs/Guns to the moon!

justdave

We're all adult babies at the end friend

gen~

my fave trueanon topic <3

lilfukka

Yes blow it up

Harvey

Can never tell if Liz is serious when she says everyone already got covid

Zachary Manenti

With the use of 30 year hindsight u can sum up the history in this way. But in fact this is an historical summation, a scholarly interpretation, which may have its value and its truth, but i was in my early 20s in 1995, and i wd back Liz on the point there were plenty of things to do online: chat rooms, internet academic research, porn, and let us not forget the explosion of email. Also monetization of the internet was still in play in the 21st aughts…. when donation and subscription were the only experiment to purportedly counter going back to advertising model. I would say it was not so much that there wasn’t a bunch of stuff to do ( activity) on the internet in the 90s, but it wasn’t all organized around consumption of things… it wasn’t all buying and consuming as the major activity of the internet. That is/was the dream of drooling hounds of free market capital. So it is important to differentiate ‘activity’ and ‘not much to do’ from making it easier to buy and consume objects of commerce. More there wasn’t much to buy, not yet what we have today: the massive commodification of every single fucking thing, including info. History is mostly , and IMO wrongly, for the books….its a story, but i was there too. coulda woulda shoulda internet and whatever still lies beyond ….

Cameron Young

Liz - drop the finals prediction- Warriors in 5? MVP?

Zachary Manenti

not ur best guest imo. sorry to tell u really how i feel… haha. he said nothing really in that academic jargony way. poor explanation of trustless decentralized blockchain … not that is a hope to wager any longer. true at least what he said: web 3 is nostalgic for old internet. But pluralization is no answer to the call. he didnt offer much of a view or think thru much… i wd call him pretty libertarian himself. and btw, have we noticed … the mall is no more? hard to take a metaphor seriously esp when it is basically over…even if there was once a spatial link. If i were looking for such a metaphor…i wd call upon Walter Benjamin’s ‘Arcades’ for the transparent commodity marketplace in cyberspace. Look, cybernetics is not bad. process of relations and ‘systems’ seems to be the best description of phenomenological life. But without the social as in socialist ( power of the ppl majority) government to regulate monopoly corporate capitalism, feggedabout it. With some regulation and ppl going for walks 3 hours a day… away from their screens … we wd b able to move away from Black Mirror doom and gloom. But, i wdn’t hold one’s breath.

Juno Parsons

to brace’s point on whether the internet should really exist or not; there’s an incredible book from the late 70’s by Jerry Mander; “Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television”. Mander was an advertising executive for years and writes at great length about not only the sociocultural, but also physical and, thus reciprocal spiritual effects of mass media consumption. it changed my life more than most any book i’ve read. i can’t recommend it highly enough

Anabelle D

lmao brace just fucking with the guest

RedJon

Had a hard time listening to this episode, all I could hear while Ben was talking was Brace breathing and sucking on his Juul

Sardonic

One thing I'll say as a developer, the low-code revolution is upon us. Arguably being proficient in something like Salesforce is already more valuable than a given single programming language on the resume.

zack wait

Ben sounds just like Tina from Bob's Burgers

Juliette DeMaso

You know on some sites he could charge for that. A friend told me this.

Juliette DeMaso

That exchange over double grossie tho.. worth every penny of my five bucks now that the internet has replaced all of the relationships I once had that might have yielded such irl conversations.

Regina

okay i NEED to know if this is a mucinex ad please for the love of god TELL ME IT IS i’ve been debating this since may 21, 2022