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Episode 251: Freaky Tales to Tell for a Fright (Patreon)

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2022-10-26 13:27:28
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2024-03-05 16:41:35
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Jack Wagner from Otherworld joins us to talk ghosts, spirits, energies, and The Gateway Process. Liz tells her tale of seeing a ghost. 

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PineBat Jo

Brace drop the tumblr @. No one says blorbo

Stirling Perry

Liz literally described sleep paralysis. I've experienced it. It's a relatively common biological condition. It basically explains all the "alien abduction" stories: You are indeed paralyzed, and you also halucinate. You see beings around you, etc., and it's terrifying. Every culture in the world describes it. In China, they call it a "sitting witch". It's simply a fucked up neurological phenomenon.

D G

If you guys don't like Neil Degrass Tyson you could easily do an episode on him. He's very full of shit. There's an entire site dedicated to debunking the garbage he pushes. Plus there's all that sex pestery. Basically he's like the Dr Oz or Dr Phil of astrophysics.

Victoria

Random late reply but I also have extremely interesting and overall positive hypnagogic experiences. I look forward to them

Miss Lourdes

Perfect art!!! Happy Halloween 👻

AbeLinkin

I think I live in the spookiest area of the country. Chevy Chase, MD - land of a 1,000 agents

Ivan A

Faded than a hoe

Kompromatic

lol the subliminal jihad guys are gonna be so pissed

Josh VanValkenburg

I love the gateway experience. Just warping my brain with beeps and boops

Mackenzie

practical magic girlies let's goooo

Graham Hoese

I thought this was a Christian podcast? Halloween is Lucifer's Easter. I cannot endorse this devil talk, plz refund my $5, thx.

phil m.

Come to Soak Lake City

Chris

Boo!

Manny di Presso

I know Liz’ ghost story is about to be a banger

HEATHER

my friend lives at the farm lol

K

Yas Jack!!! YBS ❤️

Peacock Jive

Bigfoot/sassy is 10 outa 10 real

M

I very much like the things Liz thinks about the world

PrinceVocalFry

Omg, thank you Liz for talking about how absurd and, yes, narcissistic the "simulation" shit is. Tech-bros are hitting new levels of idealism in the guise of "science" with absolutely zero explanatory power. My god, imagine venturing out into the para-scientific and coming up with something that boring and empty. These nerds need to be sent down to the country immediately.

Hannah Wacha

Liz is always so correct wow

Magnus

What Liz said sounds like sleep paralysis I’ve had it before

NYCM&AHole

Isn’t it called liquefaction?

Kristen

I felt like I gasped with liz in sync lol

Doc Adna

too short!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mia

liz is 100 percent correct about the communication with animals thing

it's me

Liz just had sleep paralysis. It happens to me at least once a month. Maybe we know the same shadow people

Aaron Harrison

I would have easily defeated the broken man

Taz

Oh my God Liz I have the exact same experience!!! Down the being in bed, can't scream, couldn't move, and at the edge of my bed was a dark shadow. When I tried to reach it its head turned to look at me. This is exactly what I experienced

justdave

Brock is a cooler Brace

justdave

And personal experiences are to be shared and understood, too many people have the capacity to write off others because of the fear of their inability to perceive 'outside' shit, I never saw no aliens and I'm basically from area 51, but shit man what the fuck do I know ya' know? (What if I told you the history of the cia and you never heard it before, no citations, no research, just some fella goin 'and that's where the kid fukn comes in')

Danny

Liz, check out the Wikipedia article for “night hag”

Terry Kenney

Like Liz said, good riddance. Bye.

em

Sweet! I got super excited last night when I saw the Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark illustration on Instagram @booanon. Way to get into the spirit of the season, thanks🎃

Munir hakim

What was it specifically if anything that turned you off ?

Oscar Cozza

Come to Minneapolis you cowards

Munir hakim

Idk man. I don't believe in anything supernatural. Never had an experience. All the ones people have told me seemed like they could have just been their brain making it up. interesting ep nonetheless and I'll check out his show! Thanks

Kirstwb

yung badalementi

Jason Troutman

I’ve used the Gateway Experience little over a year. It’s legit if people put the work in. I’ve had to learn techniques that aren’t in the tapes to help the process. But highly recommended for anyone with an open mind

Antipaganda

Same. With me the figure appearing was Goofy, but like a creepy Goofy.

Magnus

For me it was some shadowy guy, I was terrified and woke up screaming, people said I was sleeping but I was awake. It only happened once though.

Katherine Moss

Man. My sister had sleep paralysis every day for like a year. She was abused as a child by my stepfather, her father and that’s who she would see. She was in hell every morning basically. And then one morning she had it, and Bruce Willis of all people was sitting there, and he said to her something about how he had fought him or it, whatever it was, and that they wouldn’t happen again. And they didn’t. She lives in Brooklyn.

D. Elwood

lol a psychic told my mom and grandma that I, like, astral projected when I slept then the movie Insidious came out and they spent years giving me little charms and candles and shit so I wouldn't get possessed anyway this episode was fun

Aurelie

Can u have dr mona sobhani on the show <3

Char Kelly

Growing up (American) Irish catholic in New England, ghosts were a real thing that you respected, were terrified by, and didn’t fuck with. Jack description of a jinn is sooooo accurate to the way I was raised and still feel to this day about ghosts!! Extremely on point

Char Kelly

Really appreciate everyone’s “don’t fuck with that shit” energy that y’all all brought to this discussion

Sebastian Wittekindt

Guys pls I’m here with you on the spooky spiritual stuff but can we leave the left / right brain stuff in the past 😭 this conception of the brain is something science moved past in the 90’s.

Oliver Crane

A lot less Too $hort content than I was expecting based on the title

Katherine Moss

Another comment. I kinda experimented with binaural beats and was listening at night on earbuds as I went to sleep, and had a semi crazy experience one night after listening. It was like I had called upon a kind of medic. And it took over my body and found that the problem was my consciousness, so for the procedure, they tricked my consciousness that was running throughout my body into this trap. And then a full diagnostic was done, and found that the problem was in my leg. My leg had been hurting for a year at this point. Oh. At this time I could feel what was being done. But I was trapped. I couldn’t think. I guess in this idea, thinking couldn’t occur if your consciousness wasn’t allowed to move throughout your body. But, long story short, I think I went back to full sleep (I was in a weird semi conscious place when this was happening) and when I woke up in the morning my leg wasn’t messed up anymore. No idea what to make of it. Except it worked? I also had the same idea, that the woman had, that anybody could do this. It was also related to chakras. I had called upon a medic for damaged chakras by listening to binaural beats. I had no interest in chakras before this. Or after really. Lol.

Evan Scott

If anyone else gets sleep paralysis regularly (i used to get it like several times a month), sleeping on your side instead of your back (or on your front, just not on your back) really cuts down on how often it happens. I only get it like a couple times a year now

Katherine Moss

Man. That really reminds me of the most recent “You Can’t Win” episode. It’s not my favorite podcast, but in this one they go through the process of doubting the common story of a thing, and coming to a new understanding of how things are. It’s maybe my favorite episode of theirs I’ve heard. It’s good to hear when really skeptical people change their mind. Specifically, it’s in regard to the Franklin Scandal, after going over the facts.

Terry Kenney

I was patronizing the investigation of conspiracy theories. It's fine if they deviate thematically from time to time, I'll just wait for the next episode. But what I heard was "if you don't like this -- fuck off bitch." I'm just not going to support people with that attitude.

cwen

This show is for girls

Katherine Moss

There’s also a way to experience this in a really positive way. I’m not sure if it can be done through practice. But the hypnogogic and hypnopompic periods for me are felt probably 85%of the time as a really extra creative and relaxing time. Like, it’s one of the best things in my life. Sad, or just maybe it feels that good. Idk. I guess, if you can manage to not have fear as an immediate response to not being able to move, you can learn to use these times for artistic endeavors. Oh but yeah. I agree with not sleeping on your back. That’s when that experience of not being able to breathe really happens pretty sure.

lucifersgravy

anyone else ever seen a tall shadowy man in a hat with a bear sized dog who suddenly appear next to you in the middle of the night lol

NYCM&AHole

I never had the gateway experience because I bought a Dell.

Dan Z

I have chronic night terrors. And the treatment and causal info is very limited other than it might develop into Parkinson's (uh oh). Maybe it's a possession?

Stop the Spread

That gateway shit is CRAZY. I have a bootleg of the process. It works.

Jordan Fish

Not eating a few hours before bed has pretty much solved it for me. Also, if you get stuck and can’t move, one trick to break out is to try to just wiggle one finger or toe. It has to do with fine vs coarse motor controls being differently affected, as i understand it.

Lorean Martin

I listened to the Djinn ep on Otherworld. My SDA Christian family told me to never mess with anything relating to spirits or magic with no wiggle room and it planted that seed for me to be cautious but I can totally see how it’d also plant the seed of attraction and fascination. Thanks for having him on.

Megan

this was amazing

Alexis

Terry seems a little too fragile to be on the internet

TangiePower

Felix once told a story about a stupid guy who claimed he saw a ghostly skeleton giving him the middle finger.

repairmanman

Frankenstein is real to me, god damn it.

Luke

Hate to be that guy but the Stanley hotel in Colorado isn’t where The Shining was filmed, but it was the hotel Stephen King stayed in that inspired the book. Really cool hotel, they filmed Dumb and Dumber there!

Will

Hey Liz I’m pretty sure you had sleep paralysis! I’ve had the same multiple times years ago, but all I could see was the darkest void imaginable in the corner of my room and a roar that shook my whole body. Shit was terrifying

Morgan Christison

I lived in a recovery house (modeled after a sober house) for eating disorders and a girl who lived there before me had died and we were experiencing all sorts of paranormal activities (footsteps in the upstairs room, doors slamming, sinks turning on.) One night the 6 of us who lived there were in the living room because I had found her blog from before she killed herself and we started reading it and she FREAKED out. The kitchen sink turned on and two of the bedroom doors slammed. I didn’t believe in ghosts before that but other than saying it was a plumbing issue or a weird coincidental air current in the house, I can’t explain what happened any other way

Yup

Liz, that was sleep paralysis, aka "the sleep hag". Timberline Lodge (exterior of Kubrick's Overlook) is in Oregon. Also, I feel like you're eating The Subliminal Jihad guys lunch and dessert now, so bravo? And in conclusion: Stephen Gammell is the goat no cap.

Q Goatman

i hope this guy has dasha on his show to talk about how scary the devil is

Yup

dasha is the devil

Marcus

Giving children candy, and complementing them? This "anti-pedophile podcast" has really fell off.

Shiv

Fox “Spooky” Mulder would agree

Gordon Schmidt

The worst ghost stories are the ones where "The ghost had broken limbs and later we found out a guy broke all his limbs there!" and the best ones are like "I was driving in the desert and there was a huge flash and a car appeared parked in the road with a guy next to it asking for help but I looked closer and the car wasn't a car and the guy's face was on upside down"

Shiv

sadly they sent themselves down to NZ already, much to the chagrin of the locals

Shiv

that actually sounds so terrifying /srs

Shiv

You deserve your wife sir

Shiv

wow I definitely had a binaural beats era for mere insomnia and might have to give it another go! congrats on the leg

Shiv

Also gonna be that guy: “Timberline Lodge in Oregon was chosen by the eccentric filmmaker to portray the exterior of the Overlook Hotel. Many of the interiors were based on the Ahwahnee in Yosemite, although filming took place on purpose-built sets in England.” (internet)

Michelle

Believe women

Gulb

Should have gone with like, Michelle became the scarecrow

demisays

not downplaying your experience, but this is a relatively common sleep paralysis phenomenon!

Gulb

A good film that explores the cowardly husband idea is Force Majeure.

bugsick

Can't trust a non ghost believer. They're sickos! What, you know better than every human society to ever exist? Get outta here!!!

K Barlas

Man, as materialists, c'mon now

meyer

it scared me

bugsick

Someone already figured out how all this stuff is connected and his name is Aleister Crowley

Marcus

Knowing the one true religion and not sharing is super messed up.

Rob Dag

Switching his Patreon sub to Neil DeGrasse Tyson

bugsick

Uh "a specter is haunting Europe"... Literally the first line... c'mon

TrueAnonPod

I literally say you can shoot ghosts with a gun

Brian Long

I HATE THAT GLORIA STORY WTF

LIL CHEEKS

Run out of pedos to expose ?

Pendleton

I stopped halfway through. Too much "woo-woo" shit for me.

emp10s

LIZ the old hag is the universal sleep paralysis entity!

ChelseOrElse

I saw unexplainable lights in the sky about a month ago and I was fully convinced it was a UFO. I looked into it and unfortunately found it was ElonMusk’s star link satellites.

zach miller

Since you brought up northern Canada, you have to do an episode on nahanni aka. the valley of the headless men in northwest territories. Maybe a series on unexplained deaths in national parks? I'm sure you'd have a variety of pedos, druggists, weirdos and ghosts to talk about with that.

Mariam A

My sleep paralysis demon once tried to grab my waist and neck, and one time i was humping me while spooning with me, most of the time it just the same experience as Liz but i dont see anyone. I just feel their presence.

Doug Cartel

cant believe a murderous scarecrow invented the floss dance

SF

Also that gal- the place in New Paltz Brace references is the Mohonk Mountain House, a very cool huge old resort hotel

SF

Samsquantch

Doug Cartel

is sasquatch a sasquatchewan?

coochykatana

I hear family members, dead and alive, speak to me super clearly and wake me up. It’s not a dream it’s like an auditory hallucination. Usually when it happens with my mom I call her and there’s something urgent going on that she wanted to talk to me about.

Doug Cartel

hey wait the story about the choker was that fuckin creative essay someone showed me years ago, get outta here

hater

these comments are mid y’all that was a great episode

E M

For me, the "sleep paralysis demon", "shadow figure", whatever you want to call it feels linked to the idea of the Guardian of the Threshold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_of_the_Threshold The only time I've had sleep paralysis was when I was reading How to Know Higher Worlds by Rudolf Steiner (this was a while ago) so the link was immediately there for me. But this is very much in line with what y'all suggest about this moment in sleep paralysis being a glance into that realm that is normally hidden. The way people describe transcending the shadow figure in sleep paralysis is also very similar to the way the Dweller is supposed to function - you have to train yourself for this moment in order to move past and "transcend" (whatever that means). Also fun fact, the idea appears ins S2 of Twin Peaks: https://twinpeaks.fandom.com/wiki/Dweller_on_the_Threshold

Tyler Reed

At the end of the episode when Brace was talking about the dumbest Scary Stories I was really hoping it would be the chihuahua story because that one has stuck with me since I was a kid, and I cackled whenever he started telling it. Great episode 👍

Manny di Presso

You would have left your wife and children to fight the broken man alone

Manny di Presso

It’s me, guy who pays $1/month and demands to only hear exactly what I want on this podcast

Zach

Really w Liz on the Simulation Theory people ... high narcissism ...

Catherine Hutchinson

Sleep paralysis: my youngest son gets it in the morning sometimes. As a child he used to see a sinister sheep at the foot of the bed - I guess that makes a change from old crones!

Nick

Yes

Nick

Liz, gotta sleep on your stomach. That’s sleep paralysis

gekko

If TrueAnon was started in mexico this would be a monthly thing

Vincent

Shot out to Brace on the Even Flow drop. I lol’ed

Clarp Blarpkiss

Seeing Angelica Huston in "The Witches" had a huge impact on young Brace.

Doug Weldin

I’ve never wanted this show to have a visual element more than when Liz told her ghost story and then Jack was just like “…yeah that’s just sleep paralysis dude”

Scarysteakspice

Same thing that Liz described happened to me about 11 years ago the day my grandmother died. Maybe it was sleep paralysis but it never happened before this and hasn't happened since

Alex Kizuk

There's no such thing as left brain/right brain that's one of the most basic misunderstandings of neuroscience. Seriously guys just read like one chapter of one book before doing a podcast.

Kelson

Hey! Thanks for doing this podcast, this episode was great! I used to be a Richard Dawkins esque skeptic and realized it actually... sucked. Being open to things outside the realms of physical explanation is much more fun. Aside from that, folks, believe what you want, skeptics just enjoy the smarmy power trip feeling they get when they try and discredit anything paranormal. Like, yeah I don't fully believe in ghosts but I don't doubt other's supernatural experiences and I certainly don't judge, hopefully one day I'll have my own! Much love, keep it up y'all.

Kelson

Agreed.

Alex Kizuk

Sorry I thought it was obvious what I meant. The idea that the left brain is creative and the right brain is rational (or vice versa) is total bunk. Of course there are small differences in speech processing, tone processing, etc.

Marie Meleo

This guy is litrally a moron

Jimothy Realname

When I was 17, I saw a sorcerer at a McDonalds. My buddies and I were sitting at a table, them facing the wall and me facing outwards. I notice that an old man across the aisle is staring at us, so i tell them "yo, this guy is staring us down." They turn around to look, and we see that he's now levitating a fry between his hands. My one friend also claimed that as we were leaving (we got the hell out of there), he saw the man produce a glowing red orb within a napkin. Anyway, just as i was pulling my car up to the house, I ran over a dog turd. Curse of the sorcerer.

Grimmu

it's crazy that you guys posted this. and liz said not to be mean so i won't be

Golander

I'm gost, I'm here, I'm haunting

kenton

In which they almost solve Havana Syndrome

00000000000000000000

TrueAnon already did some crossover episodes with Recluse, now it's like they're in Where Did the Road Go territory. This is like The Flintstones meet the Jetsons but with podcasts.

Kevin

Is Crazy Spirit still a band? My old band played a few shows with them back in summer 2011

Niven Wilson

Besides all the ghost stuff, the notion that the discovery of DNA was a surprise to biologists rather than a series of discoveries over at least 100 years is embarrassing

PequodPod

I had an episode of sleep paralysis where I woke up to a shadowy ghost that was very specifically Richard Nixon.

Daniel Estrella

Chihuahuas are big rats. Hate them. BUT. Greedings from Guadalajjjjarrraa

LET ME DELETE MY ACCOUNT YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES

A friend of mines mother was a spiritualist person who did reiki and readings and removing bad spririts from houses etc. She had a light and sound machine. It was headphones that sent a real low level bass pulse that varied in speed along with glasses you wore with your eyes closed that had flashing light in them. I tried it out, it was kind of like when you closed your eyes on mushrooms. I ended up wearing it for like an hour and a friend of mine eventually shook me awake, I remember opening my eyes and it was just the same as having my eyes closed. I blacked out. I supposedly stood up screamed and fell on the ground and has a seizure. Years later I did DMT and I remembered the moment I woke up and had the seizure and the images I saw then were the same as what I saw on DMT. It was Grimace lying in a pig trough covered in his own feces.

Emma

Because they're from California and it's like a law that Cali/PNW people gotta hate on each other even though they are basically two flavours of the same thing

carl

spooky scary--boys becoming men, men becoming wolves

Alejo

You a victim 😂😭

mari

ahhh there was a dog cat rat guy in santa barbara when i was growing up. he got exposed in the newspaper because people thought he was homeless but it turns out he was making 6 figures panhandling with the animals 😭 i wonder if it’s the same guy y’all were talking about!

BROTHER TO BROTHER

Sleep paralysis for sure. I have really bad sleep apnea and see the most horrific shit.

Matelda

Everyone says the sciences need more humanities & this is true, but also the humanities need more science

Claire Simon

Any guidos in this thread have any spooky bird encounters???? My great uncle visited me in bird form when he died

gatito

They gonna hate this one for sure

William Imhoff

Good episode. Much like you guys & other's have described, "High Strangeness" related things are something you write off until it happens to you. I listened to Jack's podcast. 50% of it I deam as super interesting because I don't immediately smell bullshit. Like he said though, you listen to some of the stories and they come across as just that, stories. The episode "The Messenger" reminded me of this "Clairvoyant" in town that would take advantage of my mother's distress when she lost a few brothers and her mom within a short period. I think these people are good at storing small details in their head for decades and then creates fantasies with them. I completely understand Brace's hesitancy with certain things related to UFO's. I thought it was bullshit until I had a completely unexciting encounter with one. I was having a smoke one night and was looking at the full moon, thinking about if I had any lenses that could get me a clear image of it, mind kinda wondering from that thought while looking at the unusual amount of stars in the sky (for being in Cincinnati). Something which appeared to be the size of a star, but with SLIGHTLY more luminance to it, beamed across the sky as fast as someone would quickly move a pencil across a two ends of paper, if that makes sense, then came to an immediate stop and went 90° in another direction, completely vanishing over the horizon. Like others have said, you see enough planes, drones, and aircraft in your life, especially here being a short distance from an airbase to kinda know what you're going to expect out of a certain vehicle. The event was so mundane, but why wouldn't it be? It snowballed an interest into the theories & stories behind it all. It's mostly all bullshit, but still.. Ask your friend more about his UFO experience and keep an open mind. No matter what it really is, it's pretty weird.

hk

The Stanley hotel in Estes park Colorado inspired the novel which is prob what she was thinkin

ACE

Reject science, return to alchemy 👁️

Bent Mind

Ouch Liz.. “no one smarter than you listens to this podcast” but yes i concur, the right brain vs. left brain description was a little off so I accept his apology.

Chris

I remember idozer

kallampero

Very curious about this intersection between hemisync/binaural beats and the brain states sought by hyponosis/TM/astral projection, as well as whatever this "high end" audio equipment is that's required to achieve this. I skimmed over the offerings of the Monroe Institute, and tbh, it looks like every other hyper-woo extortion racket, charging thousands upon thousands of dollars for "manifestation" workshops and the like. if that org met muster for repping/mentioning on the pod, I'd sure like to know why.

Sandy

Catching The Big Fish is the David Lynch book. It got me to start a daily transcendental meditation practice. It is a skill that is developed over time, but after almost a year of practice I have SEEN things. Every time I do it I see moving light shapes and waves on the darkness, for a long time it was rings of light closing into the center of my vision. Though I've had a revelation that this was a manifestation of a subconscious detrimental mental process that I've since been able to gain awareness of and deal with more directly. The only time I had experienced this previously was through my clinical depression-related Ketamine treatments. I have also had a couple "breakthrough" moments, when I've been able to fully enter my subconscious mind and interact with it in a dream-like state. With symbology and landscapes as strange and symbolically potent as The Red Room or any other David Lynch behind-the-curtain location or entity. It has been important for me when looking at these things is that when in this space you will see WHAT IS THERE not necessarily what is inherently TRUTHFUL or GOOD. And for the more abstract things especially, must leave yourself open for an evolving interpretation, and not be quick to jump to any certain conclusions. It can help you be more open to "feel" and "see" otherworldly things, and has helped me with my depression more than any other single thing has.

Chris

Brace had some pretty incredible one liners this episode

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VALIS

turbinity

I’m fairly certain that the “Hand of God” iDoser was a fake, I remember everyone hyping it up like he said, and then it was just a normal 20 minute iDoser that had an uplifting vibe that then sharply cut to loud, uncomfortable static, jump-scare style. The “legend” of how crazy it was revolved around how jarring that change was after a long, relatively pleasant intro section: the “hand of God” retracting its benevolence.

yung tiffany

trueanon links up with brandon wardell's smartest friend to freestyle about woowoo california bullshi

AbeLinkin

I know you guys are busy doing your tour, but if you guys could just submit like a 1min clip of Brace farting set to some dope binaural beats produced by YC I’d be forever grateful.

Ethan Detwiler

I have too tickets for the Philly live show I’m willing to give away for free. Not going cause of the Phillies. Ethanvozdet@gmail.com if you want them

Lucas Tedesco

My ex is ‘psychic’, at least I believe it. Told me stories of how she and her friend would practice remote viewing by going to different rooms of their houses (hundreds of miles apart) and describing what they saw of each other, among other things. She said the main reason people don’t see ‘spirits’ is because deep down they don’t want to or they don’t believe fully- they’re always around but if you’re scared or if you don’t want to see them you won’t.

a clash of purple

The mark of something being real as opposed to not real is whether it exists regardless of whether you believe in it... We know gravity is real because if someone jumps off a building, even if they really believe they can fly, they splatter on the pavement. We know ghosts and psychic powers aren't real because even true believers can't produce any real evidence of them despite trying very very hard.

Lucas Tedesco

Maybe. Idk, I’ve never seen a ghost, just heard some interesting stories which may be made up. More fun to believe though.

Lucas Tedesco

Sorry I’m almost 30, idk what that means

Héctor

great, great episode. broken man story was so spooky. i get sleep paralysis too. but i don't open my eyes bc i know i'll see some shit. i've heard an old woman laugh though.

Rhys Davis

Tried to steal a visa gift card to get some premium iDoser tracks when I was 13, thank you for bringing it up. Shortly thereafter, I began having near nightly sleep paralysis issues, doubtlessly unrelated but funny to think about it.

Maura Willey

please interview James "Bobo" Fay about Sasquatch