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We interview former Epoch Times writer Steve Klett about his time working for the Falun Gong-owned newspaper in 2016. We discuss his experience with a Dutchman, potential labor trafficking, and what it means to be a human bot.

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NYCM&AHole

Should’ve called it Epochalypse Now

J98

Damn they just gonna promote some guys mark Fischer podcast wit a straight face? What is it, 2017?

Brian

On another note: We need an episode on Noam Chomsky stat.

Alex Carson

“mark fisher podcast” sounds like this fucking bum should go back to writing for the EpoKKKh times

Eric

Epoch times are launching in sweden and are aiming to be ”the largest newspaper”, so cool

Zach Young

I love waking up to new Trueanon. Happy mayday

K H

I would love a kimono unironically. I don't think they make that much ethical silk though.

K H

I done been up. On China time.

Tom

Pronunciation is either EE-pok or eh-pok but never eh-pic. C'mon guys, get it together:P

K H

20:47 Racial gong.

K H

He's gay.

PrinceVocalFry

YC is going to have to add a "no pedo" to his pseudonym now

Michael S. Judge

I had a conversation with Garry Kasparov in 2012 or so, and he's one of the dumbest guys I've ever met

Buried Ledes

Semantic satiation, that’s the thing where repetition makes words meaningless.

K H

Brace needs to be held accountable for his feed and for appropriating Hydro culture.

Ben Hansen

The outro to this episode might be the funniest fucking thing I’ve heard on this podcast despite it actually being a real situation and not a bit

Richard Cochnar

Calling sweats “cozies” is adorable and I’m going to start doing it.

Jawn Feddermang

I’d like every episode where Liz hates on the Dutch to be its own mini series. It’s a Whole Ass Vibe as the kids say.

K H

Ay yo my by boy got some wet ass bones like wtf? Hair slippin off the damn skull.

CM

I love severance season 2

Bobby Volcano

Who else had "don't talk to anyone while you're pooping" on their TrueAnon rules of life bingo card

Jesse DeStasio

I recommend a Hanten, a sort of winter kimono that feels like wearing a blanket. I'm not a sex pervert, btw, I just like traditional japanese garments.

Demented Avenger

TrueAnon at last came to an undeniable fact: Rush is the greatest Canadian rock band, period. *cue Bastille Day*

Jeremy Logan

Steven Klett is the mother fucking man

Joseph Guerra

Love Liz's pushing hard at the end "Im asking YOU!"

Evan Scott

Pretty hard cut to music after the guest mentions Avril Lavigne. He was right later in the episode when he said he couldn't trust you guys. Wonder what truths he revealed

Paul

after having to wright click bait articles about trump tweeting for a chinese cult, this guy had to smoke so much weed, you can still hear it in his voice im glad he is out

Alaina Nuvola

Omg I've seen that baby too, IDK how!

Isaac Suárez

Great Interview, I subscribed the “Lost Futures” podcast on YouTube

Ben

The point about academics/ designers to creative directors is really apt

AK

Liz in Kreayshawn mode

Rusty

Lord, dating someone in a cult has gotta be exhausting

Kathatestheweb

In regard to the discussion about KL in the first part of the show— Catherine Dior is a fascinating historical/fashion figure. She was part of the French resistance during WWII and had a huge influence on Christian’s designs and signature fragrances

NYCM&AHole

Should’ve called him Gary dumbassparov

NYCM&AHole

Jimmy Falun Gong did a 10 parter with Wendy Painting

Andrew

Toilet anecdote

Brian

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

AbeLinkin

So did this interviewee ever realize that he was part of the bit? I think we need to have a follow-up podcast that dissects this episode.

Austin Z

Does Young Chomsky really have ties to the late Jeffery Epstein? This needs to be addressed

carl

ya'll have hated on a couple musicians I like. but guns and roses is good? Chinese democracy praise?

NYCM&AHole

Rips off the Falun bong

Ian

Did Yung Chomsky cut at the Lavigne reference because the conversation turned into Avril Clone talk???

Cardboard

Anyone have a link to Steve's medium article?

Cardboard

Great job Steve!

bruce

strange guy but you can tell he's suffered a lot

hailey

Super interesting interview, great ep guys. Genuinely had several moments that made me gasp. I’ve had an intense fascination with Falun Gong ever since my grandparents bought me tickets to Shen Yun in 2017, it’s been awesome hearing you guys finally do a series on them!

Laika

Center center? The only centers I'm in is the World Trade Centers.

Toddy Todd

IMO the story behind the creation (or lack thereof) of Chinese democracy is better than the album itself

playstation69

Gonna disagree with you Brace, I always talk to people when either pooping or taking a poop. The test of true friendship.

Duberstein

Right, grow up people, don’t be petulant, take a seat, let’s discuss white terrorism.

Brian Long

Braces bot voice lmao

Brian Long

Tiktok live is a terrifying place

SoldierBlue

I always wait till I’m pooping to call my wife to let her know I’m coming home

SoldierBlue

Second hand doesn’t cut it?

SoldierBlue

He just seemed really normal and it was weird

K H

You're a bad person.

K H

Go on...

K H

I'm going to say probably no.

Michael S. Judge

I can't remember exactly what year this was, but definitely second-term Obama. He gave me a long rehearsed-seeming spiel about the Evils of the Russian State in which he drew no distinction at all between Putin and any Soviet, really, because (paraphrasing) "Putin and the communists both want the same thing: absolute power." Because the whole thing was dumb and weird, I wanted to see what else he might say, so I asked him, "As a dissident Russian, what would be the number one thing you'd want from the United States?" And he, not exactly a fluent public speaker, shot back with zero hesitation, "A new Ronald Reagan!"

Michael S. Judge

Also he believes that Jesus Christ was real, but was born somewhere around what you and I would call 1400 A.D., and that he was (iirc) an ethnic Slav in Turkey or something. He also believes that nearly all major historical events have taken place, until very recently, in about 4 cities, and that every single pre-modern chronicler and historian who ever described any place was describing one of those 4 places. His rationale: "Statistically, it's obvious."

whalecum2020_official

My TikTok fyp is usually spot on but I’ll get the same crazy lives Brace is talking about. Maybe i keep getting them bc I’ve started screenshotting them for something of a collection.

Nathaniel Weiner

I like this guy's vibe. There should be a recurring segment where TA sends him into different fun cults and jobs.

Alexa

Good to know brace and I have the same tiktok feed

will michel

i answered an open call from a washington post reporter who wanted to talk to food service workers about pandemic perks, and even with something as corny as that they made me sound like an absolute dumbass. they misquoted me, took me out of context, cherry-picked some of the, let’s say, “broader” stuff that i said. journalists can all eat shit!

liz was firing on all cylinders for this ep, incredible, even moreso than usual. that title drop was *seamless*

playstation69

No, Brace is just a revisionist Dengist and CIA plant

SoldierBlue

Steve sounds like a nice guy and I hope he finds true love

K H

Que?

K H

A type of bank one might say, of fungible spanks.

Maura Willey

i need the address of the building in jersey city.....

Alex

Braće Beldenović

Sam Krider

Gen z and they would wheel out the tv on a cart just about every 9/11 to make us watch it again and hear how sad it made everyone, even up to high school lol

Bananab

Great episode

Emioly

That baby has been on tik tok forever

Emioly

My favorite live is the chicken they always dress up and pose you should say chicken into your phone 3 times n maybe you will get that one next brace

Abby

It’s been 48 hours and I’m still not over Jasper Fokker

Jason Edmiston

Steve Klett TrueAnon spin-off series, please.

Shiv

love to read the epic epic epoch times

Shiv

I want to know which 4 so bad

Michael S. Judge

I can't remember which 4, but they were all in that Russia/Turkey corridor (incl. present-day Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, iirc)

TrueAnonPod

I did not mention this in the episode but I do not like guns n roses. - Brace

Jed Levin

There’s one thing about this whole story that we still need confirmation on: the Italian woman was beautiful, right?

Jed Levin

All the stuff about Rush cracked me up!

Timothy

Fantastic episode, great guest. I’ll be checking out his podcast. Also, I can’t believe there are 108 episodes of the Good Charlotte podcast, and counting …

Timothy

Presumably also charming and had great style

Dame

Listened to this while delivering the epoch times to a few houses today

Alex Passione

All women are beautiful. dumbass

Natalie

this guy worked for famous birthdays for 11 months and that tickles me

Natalie

oh no it accidentally landed in the bushes

Li Hongzhi

I’m starting to think you guys don’t like me.

gene82

Drunk as duck I love you brace. Liz my mom love love love

Soda

3.5 eps about how fallon's gone :(

0_dp_0

I designed Ziwe’s show, if y’all ever wanna switch to a visual medium plz hit me up. 💞

TK Loving

What a bunch of shit. Unleash the Archers is the greatest Canadian band of all time.

Zzz

Dumb episode this guy is lame

Timothy

I love what you did !

Emioly

In SF for the weekend and just drove past a Falun Gong performance by the pier

Anon Ibid

Austin's best vegan restaurant back in the day was the Falun Gong owned Veggie Heaven. I miss it so much

T B

Hey in 2025 trump is pres again and actually going after the free press this time