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Episode 30: The Ishvalan War of Extermination

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Valenton

I wanted to continue watching your reaction to FMAB so bad, thanks Flexie!

Ori Kira

I hate and love Kimblee character he got valid points, he may be a psychopath who enjoys killing, but he knows who he is and is willing to call out any hypocrisy he sees. The conversation between Ed and Hawkeye is based on an actual interview that the writer did with an actual sniper veteran. ....... Some info about my girl Riza, she is 4 years younger than Roy. Roy joined the military at 18, so she would've been 14. She went to the ishvalan war while still in the academy. She was 19 when they saw each other again in ishval. He was 23. They were both traumatized by what they were forced to do. When he took her under his command, she was 20 and he was 24. He was a major and she was a sargeant. As long as she works to protect him as he rises to power, they can't be together because of military anti-fraternization laws. If the military learned they have a personal relationship, Mustang would be court-martialed for the equivalent of statutory rape. Because the law assumes a subordinate cannot consent when it comes to a superior officer. They can be together if she transfers out of his command but then she could not help him with his goals. So, they're not together as their punishment for what they did during the war. They love each other but they refuse to allow themselves the luxury of being together until all their goals are reached. .... last point do you remember the disease that killed Trisha. The Ishvalan war resulted in tremendous casualties. That’s a lot of deaths in decay, and a lot of that was carried westward. Ed mentioned that there was a plague that was tearing through some of the eastern towns. The plague originating from the war was in the manga. The inspiration came from world war 1 events as mentioned by the author. This was such a good ep, I love FMAB and sorry about the long text.

Nic Q

The burden Riza was referring to was the gun, not Ed’s feelings for Winry. Because Riza realized that by giving Ed the gun, she had unintentionally given him the burden of having to consider using a weapon most associated with killing people. This was such an important episode for Riza and Roy’s characters. It’s not just that they feel guilty about participating in the genocide of Ishval, it’s also that they were both complicit in using the most powerful alchemy in the story (literally the only alchemy we’ve seen so far that can drain a philosopher’s stone with such little effort) for such evil. Riza by giving Roy the research and not sniping him when he was using it to burn hundreds of people alive. Roy for turning that alchemy that he claimed was for good against innocent people instead of King Bradley. In a way, Bradley was right — no god was going to strike him down, it’s the people who have to do it. In this, both Roy and Riza chose to do evil instead of striking it down themselves. So it makes perfect sense that they’re both devoted to the goal of creating a world where they, and all those like them, can be punished for what they did to the Ishvalans. Their ultimate goal is for Roy to be Fuhrer so he can dismantle the military government, turn Amestris into a democracy, and give the people the right to put war criminals like on them on trial like their own version of The Hague. It’s kind of insane that they’re doing all this so they can be punished but it’s also incredibly admirable. What great characters.

Golladan

The watered down version of the Ishvalan War of Extermination.

James B

This was yet another banger. Next episode has one of my favorite scenes in the series. So excited to be sharing the viewing experience with you

Matthew

"I'm in a really good mood today" kinda broke my heart knowing what you were about to see lmao

Alex Hencher

Trust me, Hawkeye and Mustang is so much more complicated than that.

Tyler

Thank you for the reaction! I knew the back tattoo reveal would get your lore mind working! Every episode is both answers and questions in such a wonderful way. I do like that the enemies in this show are not just physical challenges to our heroes but ideological ones. Kimblee here tests Riza the same way Envy tests Ed when they’re stuck inside Gluttony. It’s not just “I’m going to destroy the world!” vs “We won’t let you!”, it’s more like Pain vs Naruto in terms of a battle of worldviews and values, but rather than just between main hero and villain, it’s for every character. You see Scar’s mind shifting a bit as he encounters Winry, GreedLing is literally a battle of who wants it more. So even when there’s no action on screen, every conversation is a battlefield that has stakes. Bradley could have easily just evil monologued, but the author makes sure he actually makes his points in such a way that we catch ourselves nodding just a bit. Lastly, Mustang + Hawkeye always gives me the image of a horse (or muscle car, depending on how you define Mustang) while a hawk flies watchfully overhead. Some of the names in this show are pretty on the nose (looking at you, Armstrong) but when the bad guys are named after the 7 human sins, it’s always worth exploring how the author interprets them. Envy as a monster made of the voices and bodies of others. Lust as the Ultimate Spear. Greed as a shield. Wrath as a king. Scar as not just what’s on his face and arm but as a walking process of trauma. Part of the reason this show is evergreen for me is how we understand all of those things changes as we get older. Always something different to take away.

sSnorlax

Hawkeye is by far my favorite character of the series

ghost

The author interviewed Japanese ww2 vets while making this series, which I think comes through in this episode especially. The perspective of young people wanting to protect their country but getting pulled into commiting war crimes instead... it's horrifying to consider how easily it can happen due to the pressure from those in control. On one hand, they were dragged into something they didn't want, but also they all pulled the trigger (or used the alchemy) with their own hands anyways. Destroyed their own morals for their own survival, and now they have to live with it.... And try to lead the next generation to do better than they did. Insane episode.

Buzzard (edited)

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2026-10-27 07:00 King Bradly was channeling Muzan from S4-E8. "I've received no Divine punishment whatsoever. Even though I've killed hundreds... thousands of humans... I have never been held accountable. Over the last thousand years... I've never seen the Gods or Buddha."
2026-10-26 01:33 King Bradly was channeling Muzan from Demon Slayer S4-E8. "I've received no Divine punishment whatsoever. Even though I've killed hundreds... thousands of humans... I have never been held accountable. Over the last thousand years... I've never seen the Gods or Buddha."

King Bradly was channeling Muzan from Demon Slayer S4-E8. "I've received no Divine punishment whatsoever. Even though I've killed hundreds... thousands of humans... I have never been held accountable. Over the last thousand years... I've never seen the Gods or Buddha."

Ori Kira

yep, much more. Am just sharing some stuff the writer said to add more to their story. This anime is well written, and have many wonderful characters and stories, also some dark themes that we dont see much of in anime.

snowie

It goes without saying, but I do so adore the relationship between Roy and Riza. You see how literally ride or die they are for one another throughout the series up to this point, and now we finally learn why. Not only were they bonded from shared experiences during the civil war, but even before that, she was the key to Mustang even learning flame alchemy. Understand, it wasn't simply a case of Hawkeye just giving Roy access to the knowledge on her back (which it is, mind you. all that flame alchemy is is tattoo'd upon her), she also had to place her trust in him. So at the end of the day, it was also her decision to allow him (Roy) to learn her fathers alchemy. We also see a little more of Kimblee as well, and one of the reasons I actually enjoy him as a character, even if he is truly as awful as they come. The man is one of principle, but not only that, but respect as well. We know from this one scene that he holds some regard for human life, even if he is so willing to take it. In fact, it might be because it's so easy for him that it becomes a point of contention. Roy and Riza attempt to, in their own young naievete, rationalize in their minds why this was happening at all. That they were somehow victims being forced to commit this genocide. But, Kimblee confronts them on it, and forces them to come to terms with the fact that above all else, they chose this. By putting on their uniform, they accepted that someday they might be asked to take lives in the name of what it represents. You might hear in the comments how so much was cut out of this telling of the civil war (it covers an entire volume of the manga), but I want to add in my two cents. Sure, in this episode alone, there are scenes not present, but many of them are actually spread out through the series. They're recontextualized wonderfully in my eyes, and used in ways that add more weight where placed. The biggest example so far is, of course, Scar and his Brother. Their story that we saw last season was actually part of this civil war saga. Anyhow, excellent work, as always! So excited for more to come.

Kanly

I grew up during a 35 years civil war, the themes in FMAB speak to me in unexpected ways

Christopher Sanders

Hyate best doggo! It's always interesting to see the older cast remember that the Brothers despite having done some crazy things are still technically fairly innocent. I like that Riza is basically big sister here for Ed and that he's comfortable enough to confide in her.

Illiterate Mochi

I love how complicated and nuanced Riza and Roy’s relationship is. They’ve known each other for so long, and they’re definitely trauma bonded. But more than that, their feelings for each other are mixed and twisted up with grief and regret and guilt. I’m sure Roy feels guilty for inspiring Riza to join the military, and Riza feels guilty for giving Roy the secret of flame alchemy only for it to be used as a weapon. Their story is so tragic, but their relationship is beautiful despite everything.

Gpinko

Roy and Riza literal ride or dies since day 1. She decided to entrust him to her father's research, Flame Alchemy, in order for Roy to achieve his dream. He wanted to use it to protect others, and instead he used it to destroy others. Incredible episode seeing things from different perspectives, including Kimblees. He's terrible, but he was speaking some truths there that clearly stuck with Riza to this day. Such a brutal but incredible episode seeing some of our favorite characters we love, doing horrible things and the experiences that made them who they are now. I love this series so much.

Shank.wu

The parallel of "order 3066" and the US's "Executive Order 9066" is heartbreaking.

Tyler

I love this specific episode so much because it really has you wrestle with it. Your comment about how alchemists don’t see how much damage they do was so interesting to think about because we as the audience don’t either. Not when it’s Roy. We see everyone else’s body count to some degree but not his. Yet he easily likely killed as many people as Kimblee. So what’s the difference? Riza also brings it up near the end, in a time of peace, Roy essentially is a genocidal mass murderer. What do we choose to justify and look away from and not see? Because it’s war? Because we like them? Because the story tells us they’re a hero? So I also appreciate it that even as Ed tries to justify it, Riza insists at the end of the day, they still chose. Over and over again, shot after snap after shot, they chose. And here I am rooting for them. It’s a trip.

Ajax

Former US Army, Context: I was in MLRS, and we often get used as 2nd-hand-infantry. In my experience, the people who get traumatized by their military duty are the ones who never understood the fundamentals of right vs wrong, and what justifies certain actions. The ones who seriously considered these things on regular basis before they joined the military usually have no issues with the morality of it. But being self-certain like that also makes them feel like psychopaths to normal people. Hollywood likes to portray the blood and gore as the big issue, but in reality that is just the final straw for the ones who were not prepared. But for the ones who are ready for it, the blood and gore is just an inconvenience.

MiceCube

Not really doing anything to shake that psychopath label...

Sakamoto Plays

This episode is one of my favorites because it shows the humanity on all sides of a dark situation, and still shows how they all move forward. Edward and Hawkeye are so respectful and kind to one another here, which establishes that deep level of humanity to begin with - this scene is beyond masterfully set. It’s so quiet at times; therefore really specific in how and why it chooses to display violence, and there is never violence without consequence. Really masterful writing here from Arakawa, eps like this remind me why the series is the GOAT, and we’re STILL not even halfway through!

Justin Leow

Again, I watched FMA when im in my 14/15. Cannot figure how I have processed this show properly then. But this show has been impactful and made me think a lot to how I see life then. 🤔

Pedro Hernández

Like any well-written anime, FMAB has several layers of interpretation; it may appear to be a fantasy adventure about two brothers, but beneath the surface, it serves as a warning of how political and military corruption can destroy nations to their very roots—all without the people even realizing it.

DGThunderer

I'm glad FMA:B shows you the price of war. It's an important theme for the show, but a lesser show would just show a few snippets. FMA:B lets you sit in it and lets its characters change and suffer because of it. You could even say that the war is the single major driving force behind two major players: Mustang and Scar.

Swigzby

This whole episode is just exposition but they did it so well. Using conversations between Ed and Riza as well as Scar and Marcoh to fill in the blanks in a way that doesn't make it feel like a filler episode was amazing.

James B

Interestingly the two shows' universes are set during approximately the same time period.