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15. U wot m8 (Patreon)

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2024-01-16 22:21:34
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Content

0:00 Finding a routine for yourself/personal rituals/the vulnerability towards a loved one
20:08 Disenfranchised with modern art/One billion dollar movies
31:27 Does advertising work?/The 'good at business ' lie
48:38 Accepting bad filmmaking
58:08 Honesty with showing your references/What pieces of art immediately inspire us
1:14:37 The difference between fighting and violence/Lewis talks about relationship with violence at a young age/Stories of violent encounters
1:32:42 Canadian entitlement/The joy of the country vs the city
1:44:39 Possibility of playing games on a stream/table-top games and role-playing

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Esteban Rodriguez

I don’t know how many will agree with this, but I think while yes cinema has had a huge validity of being a significant form of art, (Hell, it literally is canonized as one of the great Seven Arts.) I feel that more than any art, it has had a strong tie to commerce and being a product and thus has always maintained a small stigma of being seen as not too significant when it clearly has shown to have proved that is significant. Which of course that isn’t something that only is exclusive with cinema in history, but it is perhaps the most very apparent and thus more easy to create a culture of only the most mediocre products. Something that has become infinitely worse now than in any other time in cinema history I won’t lie about that. I think about that line from "Singin in the Rain" when Debbie Reynolds’ character talks about how she doesn’t go to the cinema that much she says "If you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all." That’s a line that can easily be applied to any point in cinema history from the perspective of an average movie goer. Time and time again since the beginning, it has been how "Cinema is just a gimmick", "it’s just a fad.", "There’s nothing worthwhile anymore.", "Cinema is dying." For me, that is incredibly sad. For how much there is to be said in how there has been progress in seeing cinema as an true important art form, there’s also been a lot to devalue the form more than any other medium. At least there are specific eras that will now always have that eternal allure of greatness. Paintings have that in the Renaissance, Classical Music, even just the nature of the art of any great sculpture, architecture or piece of literature now has that and all have made a strong influence on future generations. Part of that comes from a lack of reference as was discussed here which I have grown to really uphold. There should more of a public conversation not just on the cultural impact of certain films but their artistic and thematic impact that lets the public explore more for themselves. I think it creates a natural curiosity. Because when a lot of contemporary films are constantly getting forced by the media as "Masterpieces", no matter how much I do love many that have come out, it ignores at lot of what came before and does promote ignorance. One idea that I liked and think it can be at the very least a small positive impact was one from Director James Grey in how cinema can be treated in public education in the same breath as the great literature and other arts. Sure they might not get Bertolucci’s "The Conformist" or Lang’s "Metropolis" at first glance. But that’s ok. "Let them hate it at first, then they might come back to it." - James Grey It’s definitely how I felt after rediscovering Shakespeare’s Macbeth a few years after I read it in high school and after expanding my tastes and now it’s one of my favorite stories. Then again, cinema is still young by comparison and as much as there 21st century contemporary world has a lot that is unknown for its future in how art in general will be treated, I am confident that there are enough people (at least friends that I have met) that do have genuine beliefs and passion in pursuing above all great storytelling and inspiration. PS: In terms of whether I have seen more ads than trailers before films at the theater, fortunately at least for me in San Francisco that rarely happened where the majority of what I see are trailers. The only time I remember ads being prominent was for Barbie where they just played Barbie ads the entire time before the film. That sucked. However, on that note when you briefly mentioned "The Boy and the Heron", I remembered when I saw that film in IMAX last month, it probably had the most hilariously bizarre selection of trailers I had ever seen. It started off with some Mark Wahlberg film with some dog that I already forgot the title of. Then there was Aquaman 2 (looked like shit). Then there was that Illumination film with birds that nobody saw. (looked like shit) Afterwards the last two is when I was so baffled. Right after the Illumination one, they played a trailer for Kore-eda’s "Monster". The complete tonal whiplash from those two trailers was so bizarre I fucking laughed out of pure instinct. Lastly there was Wim Wender’s "Perfect Days" (which I have now seen and thought was great.) So yeah I don't think any selection will top that for me. Was almost as amazing and bizarre as the film itself. PS - PART 2: The references that very much always in my subconscious mind are classical music. Mainly Mozart, Beethoven, Bach and Mahler. Their music are just always in my mind and the way they communicate emotion always gets me inspired to the point I just made a whole show based on the borderline devout love I have for this music. Others would be the Black Paintings by Goya. Especially when I draw, I always feel comfort in the knowledge of how even though they’re not the most "detailed" works, the aesthetics and content these paintings explore give such strong emotions every time. Then there’s several films like "The Tree of Life", "Mishima", "The Color of Pomegranates", "Persona", "Barry Lyndon" and the most recent one would definitely be "Teorema". Wow this comment was long as hell.

Sophia Lambton

Hi Lewis and Luiza, I too am surprised at people's lack of instinct vis-à-vis the artificial. But we're already dinosaurs beside our Gen-Z counterparts: when you've grown up watching CGI and sinking into retouched IG photos I suppose it's harder to distinguish between authenticity and mass-made fakery. For me the saddest understanding I have come to face has been the fact that most people (99.9%) are happy for their movies to be mediocre. They might comment on the subpar cinematography (everyone's favourite word), or anodyne performances, or mindless plot, but I don't see them giving up their Netflix or their Disney Plus. As crushing as it is, the most popular movies and tv shows on IMDb are the wasteland we shun. Most people don't need the Criterion Channel (not that that's a godsend either but it's worthy of comparison). And there've been more commercials than theatrical trailers for years (in my experience). As an author I can confirm Luiza's summary of BookTok is spot on. Thank you for your beautiful analysis of War and Peace. I'm not as close to it as you are, to put it mildly. You also made me want to read Moby Dick. Loved your Welles vs. Hemingway stories. North American entitlement is stunning. I guess you have to be really thick-skinned to be able to stand it. As a Londoner I feel your Manchester pain. It's really hard to find a good restaurant here: much prior research is involved! Guys, Spotify lets pretty much anyone on but they expect you to run *their* ads (sorry). It's just ads promoting their platform. I totally get why you wouldn't want to, though. And I certainly hope so about the Google Hangouts - it's about time! :) Looking forward to watching The Aesthetic of Love. Sophia

Esteban Rodriguez
>>127183543

A big thing that also happens in contemporary cinema watching is also how so many never get the difference between saying "that was a quality film" to "I really liked it". So we can say it’s mediocre but some will see these as amazing pieces of art. I definitely know friends whose tastes are very much in line with stuff like Barbie, Saltburn and Taylor Swift to a T. It’s fine to enjoy that to your own will but now it’s like we need everyone else to validate that perspective. Thankfully my friends are not like that online. (For the most part). Also I definitely share your enthusiasm in seeing the first Google Hangout come to fruition.

hyperballadbrad

One of my absolute pet hates in Manchester - the fucking queues that are seemingly endless for Gooey and Federal. No fucking cake or coffee is that fucking good. You know the people queuing like fucking idiots are just ready to post a photo of their purchase on instagram whilst bumming 'local outlets' - it's bullshit. I aggressively eye roll whenever I walk by. But I have to think, why am I feeling this way? What is it doing to me? Just causing me stress. Sometimes you do have to change anger/frustration into either laughter or just peace.... 'let go and let God' :-p Enjoyed your explorations. I now have some more books to add to my 'to read' pile - Damn you!! Ha

hyperballadbrad
>>127177947

Haha.... you're commenting like me now! Do you type as you listen, and go back and add additional comments? :-p

hyperballadbrad

Shout out to Luisa for the NIN mention. Listened to The Fragile for the first time in a criminally long time!! Incredible album.

James Herbert
>>127228506

Somewhat Damaged and The Great Below are of my favourite NIN songs, what are some of yours Brad ? I also really love those two early Ministry records, The Land of Rape and Honey and The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste. Although they are very different to NIN, they scratch a similar itch which I cannot find in other industrial music, are you a fan too ?

James Herbert

I can't wait for the google hangouts and also for your first pubicly released short film, which I hope is going well and isn't too far away from completion now :) Many thanks as always for inspiring me with your brilliant and genuine discussions - James

Žofie Zajíčková

Hi! this episide made me proud cause I work for Warhorse studios (KCD makers) I am very new in the industry though, so I appriciate your gaming Insights:) Greetings from Prague, Žofie

Meel

Really enjoyed this one appreciate y’all 🫶🏾

chris

hell yea Blood Meridian and Moby Dick. The judge smiled.

J George

Ok, let me try to do my 10 most influential pieces of art - since I'm a musician, I'll do five albums and 5 non musical pieces: ALBUMS Novos Baianos - Acabou Chorare Radiohead - In Rainbows D'Angelo - Voodoo Jeff Buckley - Grace Every single thing Jimi Hendrix has ever done; he's the reason why I decided to pick up a guitar 11 years ago. NON-MUSIC Basquiat's oeuvre Crime and Punishment In the Mood for Love Capitães de Areia (The Sandpit Generals) Ganja & Hess