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My Response To Taking 20 (Patreon)

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2022-09-04 23:24:06
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Cody is right about most things...except one. PDM explains.

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Nick

I think the one dnd will make some money at first, but people are already sick of subscription models w streaming services. I think this will be the next 4th ed and will push people to other games. I also thing that's great for the OSR

Bryan Stephens

No computer game will ever match my head. no computer game will ever be as flexible as our heads. "Why the hell not" is when the players break the game and the GM loves it. The players have an idea that no one thought of when it was built. That is THE gold moment we play for. A computer simulator will not be able to do that. You are 100% correct it is communion.

Bryan Stephens

And if people don't get the Blade Runner reference, they are poorly educated in pop culture.

Adrian Webster

Our generation grew up with both D&D in paper form and the video game revolution and many play both. As you rightly note, they are not truly in competition, play in general has grown as an aspect of people's lives. if younger generations truly only wanted virtual experiences we would not also be in the midst of a golden age for board gaming. Board game cafes are clearly aimed at younger generations and succeeding. So yes, I agree, the in person experience will not be supplanted by the virtual, but both will have a coexistence.

MrGunn

Queen to Bishop 6, well played DB! I very much enjoyed your analysis, I thought it was very articulate. However, these things do come in waves, people will rush to the shiny new thing, and it will be great, for a time. However, not everyone enjoys Magic, I know I never got invested, same with Warhammer. I do love Squad Leader, Diplomacy, Rail Baron, Axis & Allies, and Pandemic. There is no accounting for taste.

RUNEHAMMER

hahah that opener was great. YEs Cody. yes we will. :D

Brad F

I agree with you, PDM. Nothing beats getting together with your friends to play D&D.

Jay

Magnificently stated with some clear examples and well thought out points. So YES I do agree. However, I can't do so without acknowledging that it is likely a considerable amount of younger players will gravitate toward the digital One D&D. At least, at first. The questions are will they stay there? Will they play only One D&D VTT or perhaps both? Also, there is always the possibility One D&D will eventually be replaced by another platform or gradually loose it's luster and hemorrhage players over time much like an outdated MMO video game. For me, I enjoy video games as well as Tabletop RPG games. However, I have no interest in most MMO video games or any of the VTT games such as those on Roll 20. Nor do my players. Guess time will tell on this one but my money is on PDM's analysis.

Thierry Lussagnet

You only need a good "theater of the mind" adventure with a DM putting his heart to it to hook new player to TTRPG. It's not easy and it' don't work everytime but when it do work you'll see people ready to travel a hundred miles just for an evening session. VTT can't gave that type of feeling. I think the physical presence of the DM and players when they get into their character and action isn't as tangible when playing online.

Smarting

I do agree with all points in this video, but I want to add one condition to the core statement. We will only play TTRPGs in 100 years with pen, paper and dice, if the hobby survives whatever economic, social and cultural collapses are going to happen. In that sense, it is maybe even more likely that VTT dies out than real life play, unless the movie Matrix becomes real.

Scott Spears

I think people will sit around a table, toss dice, eat snacks and play D&D. It's about friendship and community. It's also some of the world's worst and best theater.

Brian Leet

Cody can be a bit hyperbolic, but I'll split the baby a bit on this one. I absolutely believe people will continue sitting around tables face to face rolling dice and role playing. At the same time, as you noted, the total population of people who do that may not grow at anything like the rate of new adoptions to the role playing hobby as a large interconnected and electronically supported enterprise. So, it's not going away, but that is not where the growth is. This is even more apparent when looking at where the financial growth will be. Table top gaming has exploded as a hobby, but it certainly doesn't mean families don't sit around playing many games with nothing more than a ratty old pack of bicycle playing cards. Playing card games will still be here in 100 years as well. I think what Hasbro is doing in the virtual realm is in line with the early vision for Next/4E. They could see the coming revolution of virtual table tops and promised that for 4E play. Of course, it never materialized, but 3rd parties, particularly Roll20, figured it out - and others followed. Now they have realized that they can keep the same core DND rule set and still support that online VTT experience, and that is where the growth and money is. It's a lot easier to get $10-15/month out of people than $50 three or four times a year. I just hope that as this lets them create an explosion of content they give us better ways to manage it (particularly as DMs). I want a way to set up a campaign in D&D Beyond which explicitly informs the players of exactly which rules/optional rules/etc. we are using without limiting it to sourcebook in or out. I'd even pay for Print On Demand player's handbooks which were campaign specific if I could checkbox what is included/not-included.

David Hightower

I get the Bladerunner reference. Great video. Well said!

Chuck Thorin

When I die they'll bury me with my dice....or under them,

Graham Kane
>>91034079

Cody's remarks really got under my skin to be honest! But hyperbole is the language of Youtube if you want clicks so I'm beginning to think he does'nt really believe it himself.

Graham Kane

I may be wrong about this but I think that a lot of DM's won't be overly keen on the VTT. I mean when it's all their visually, what is a DM supposed to describe? Will they just be expected to run the monsters during combat and nothing else? Anyway PDM, I fully agree that IRL games will never die out. Your art analogy was right on the money. I still draw with a pencil, paper and dip pen and so do many other people.

Brent Norton

Not going to lie. Ever since TNG introduced the Holodeck, I’ve wanted to throw a D&D book in there. So, if that technology comes out then he maybe right. Kinda ready player one system.

Broton

Playing online is better than not playing - our group went online before the pandemic hit as it was just easier, and we play pretty much every week. And I enjoy that, but for me playing at a table with the rest of the group and rolling my own dice is always going to be better. I do wonder just how much work it will be for a DM to create a dungeon in the virtual tool - it's one thing to write a description and mention the various tapestries adorning the walls in the banqueting hall, but if you have to find images to match the tapestries you want then that seems like a potentially monumental task. It's hard enough finding 2d maps or textures, but when the whole of the space is virtual, that seems almost impossible. I guess the idea is that you play modules where the environments are created for you, but some people apparently like creating their own adventures

MrGunn
>>91014147

You make an interesting point. MMOs were a big thing and were going to replace TTRPGs, but they did not. I never got into MMOs, they are like a Chat rooms with pictures.