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The recently published Mud Test: Glock 19 video has been incredibly huge in regards to shares and views in a very short duration of time, more so on Facebook than even YouTube.  Full30, of course, was barely a blip on the radar.  It has been the fastest growing video in regards to views and shares that we've ever had.

So, with this huge volume of shares and views and comments, we'd think we'd see a some uptick in something like subs or Patreon supporters, right?

Nope.  In fact, per YouTube analytics, it generated us 14 subscribers as of today.

There has been a huge uptick of stupid comments though.

Now we do have to consider that sometimes quantity is a quality all its own and maybe we'll reach some intelligent viewers out there with this over time as a result of those shares but...

So, while it's still very early in regards to statistics as the video only published a few days ago, here's a question for you guys as our core (again):

If InRangeTV were monetized via ad revenue then the lesson here would be to do nothing but mud tests on the most controversial items possible for the rest of time.   Thankfully that is NOT our model.  While I certainly do find some of these mud test videos interesting, I also think it's usually (with exceptions) our least intellectual content.

This video is the canary in the coal mine example, in my opinion, of why advertising fueled mass media is what it is.

What do you guys think?

~Karl

Comments

Matthew Jackson

It is a very striking example. There's a bit of very good content out there from before the last election cycle suggesting that outrage/controversy is basically working like a Toxoplasma, in that it naturally gets amplified while the news cycle quickly buries things. where there's no controversy and nothing to be outraged about.

Chris Trott

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case everywhere, not just here. The "spectacular" wins over the educational almost all the time. There are some signs of a shift though. The explosion of STEAM programs getting people of all ages interested in actually thinking might get more people to actually want to learn.

Tony Moller

Saw the video, didn't bother reading the comments. Keep doing what you're doing (all around) and I'll keep watching and supporting. (And I love my Glocks and didn't leave any disparate comments :)

wlitten512

The mud test videos are near I guess but not exactly the most interesting of content. Your videos covering the history and use of arms are far more interesting to me personally. But, I'm weird. I will always say yes to more old west vignettes and 2 gun videos. The What Would Stoner series is good. I would like to see you guys work on building something like an MG42/MG3 from parts. Anyway, mud tests are fine but I prefer your other content.

Andrew Bethards

I agree, but I'd also suggest that one doesn't simply watch one video and then subscribe via Patreon, you end up watching many videos and then decide the channel is worth investing in.

InRange TV

Totally agree, and that's why I also included data about subs (which is zero commitment).

Nathaniel Biederman

Mud tests are fun, but I greatly prefer the historical and practical application vids.

Michael Smith

Hi Guys, I think the mud tests are "fun", but are not necessarily a criteria as to whether a firearm is "good" or not. I think you guys should continue with your formula regardless of the rank and file YouTuber comments. I appreciate the knowledge and enthusiasm you both bring to your channel. I think most of us are History buffs too so we have an even greater appreciation of your regular content.

Andy

Karl: popular things are popular. Here is some awesome advice I think you guys built your channel(s) of of, but I will say it anyway: "Try and impress 10 percent of your audience, you can't get everybody, but if you consistently please 10 percent each video, you will eventually please everyone."

Timothy S Hennessey

Glock fans are very sensitive. If their icon is denigrated in any way they will take great umbrage. While I like the occasional mud test, I really look forward to the vignettes, manufacturer, and two gun competition videos. The cherry on top of all is the Q&A's. In between InRange and Forgotten Weapons you and Ian put out some of the highest quality content on the Interwebs. It is thoughtful and not locked into one point of view.

Ethan Vaught

Controversy breeds interest. No better way to breed interest than to stab one of the most sacred cows in the shooting community. Viewer supported businesses are really interesting IMO because in many ways they are more in tune with the needs of the consumer. You create value for us and we pay you because we value your work. Ad supported media is all about controversy and the lowest common denominator and doesn't need to create value for the consumer because the consumer doesn't need to feel like they're getting something from the content if they aren't paying for it. Keep going with the business model that creates a valuable product for us the consumer. InRange is one of if not the best shooting related channel on youtube right now because of how in tune you are with your viewers and supporters. Keep doing that Karl and everything will be great :D

james Kachman

A sufficiently trained chimp could perform a mud test. I prefer more cerebral stuff by far, even if its just hypothesizing about could've and should'ves.

James

Do you want to be Demolition Ranch, or do you want to be InRange TV? Not saying stop doing mud tests, just saying.

InRange TV

This month's Q&A came in at over 2 and half hours. It'll be three parts. A little overwhelming. :)

Nathan Fisher

Absolutely. I mean why does "pop" music mostly suck... why do mainstream movies mostly suck... They are carefully crafted to appeal to the lowest common denominator widest possible worldwide audience.

Andy

I Also want to add: Karl, you seem really displeased at the utube comment section. It really adds nothing. Maybe try to turn the comments off on one video and see how it goes. Anyway, thanks for the content and take care! Andy from Oregon

Jon Davis

You guys butchered a sacred cow which is one of the reasons I subscribe. Keep up what you're doing on all fronts. Don't assign false value, positive or negative, to comments.

InRange TV

Nope. You can't turn them off. We've had that conversation. :)

Andy

Rodger

InRange TV

Never mind the comments, I'm more curious about the lack of subs.

Reverend Charles

You would get even more views if you left the Glocks buried.

Casey

I'm not sure how much you guys personally watch in terms of other YouTube channels. it seems that the biggest channels are the ones that are the "science hidden in cool explosion" type of videos. Demo Ranch is a good example. He doesn't put out too many videos, but the quality is generally good, and it's kind of a "this seems like an idea a lot of people have, but don't have the means to really find out the answer to". It's also user base dependant. No offense, but your user base is probably mainly 25+ year old men, in terms of repeated views. Those are also the people who grew up before YouTube. They didn't have as much content to sift through originally and like what they kind. Now the kids have 1000x more options (not necessarily a good thing) and you really need to do a couple big things in order to get their attention. It seems like collab work is the big thing these days to really get numbers up. Both channels are seen by audiences that they may not have necessarily reached before and they tend to get larger. Just my thoughts.

Joey

If the mud tests are the "Michael Bay" videos on your channel, how about monetizeing just those vids? The quality vids are still supported by the folks that matter and you can get some scratch from the "dumb" videos that go crazy quickly. Might make the comment sections of those vids go down easier if they're generating income, too.

Marklar

Mud tests are like fun popcorn flicks once in a while. While I agree that it's not the most interesting video series, I would keep them around. Not sure why it wouldn't generate subs, seems like the kind of thing that would. Keep doing the stuff that makes inrange great but don't be afraid to drop a short vids once in a while to get new people to click

Andrew Trumble

I think Patreon subscription is kind of a "slow burn." I watched InRange for about a year before subbing to Patreon. I think one of the 2Gun ACM videos was the first video I saw, I went through the video catalogue and watched more videos, and decided to sub on YouTube, with the Adpocalypse I saw you guys struggling morally with it and probably financially too, and that was the catalyst that made me become a supporter, not because of one video, because of the back catalogue of interesting videos. I think you have to give it time and not expect one hugely successful video to suddenly fill the coffers. I would expect you might be getting more views on older videos, probably older mudtests being the jumping off point. I think you will see an increase in subs but I think it will take time. As others have said, I enjoy mud tests but they shouldn't become the "bread and butter" of the channel when you guys have much more historically interesting content.

Jon Davis

I watch a wide variety of youtube channels. I only sub to a few that I know produce content I regularly want to see, like InRange.

Theo McCall

The mud tests are a popular concept. Simple, easy to understand and draws in all sorts of fanboy BS arguements. Your other stuff is either your weird sense of humour which im sure alot of people dont get, or is hugely educational which generally the masses cant be bothered with. Maybe I'm being harsh I dont know. But I like your channel for the other stuff, not the mud tests. Infact, out of anything you do its probably the mud tests I'd be happier seeing you not do. Not to say I dont like them, I like all the content you guys do. They can be funny and in their own weird way informative. Its a bit of fun. But it does attract perhaps unwanted attention that results in youtube comment cess pits. Which is unfortunately something you have to life with if you become a success in the "normal" sense on youtube :P

Torch 333

Mud tests are fun, and IMHO really relevant when it comes to service weapons. Particularly historical weapons, like the P-08. Otherwise, I much prefer the analysis and in-depth discussions. Maybe people sniffed out the G19 mud test only because . . . GLOCK? Maybe people subscribe only if they can appreciate what a channel is trying to do? Not bashing Glocks here, but it seems to me that a lot of the viewers who watched the mud video are fanboys. Glocks are also the least common denominator in a lot of ways, and maybe the viewers who are interested in Glocks aren't interested in historical firearms.

Reverend Charles

I like that you guys talk about the mechanical intricacies of each weapons platform when contemplating how they fail (or survive). Not quite as troglodytic as Demo Ranch, for example.

Bruce Stein

Keep doing what you are doing and don't sweat the idiot's comments. Even with only 15 new subs, you may get a couple of patreon supporters eventually.

christopher

Ive told you what to do before, fill pumpkins with tannerite and shoot them in fact you could do the entire squash family. Now You lose some subs myself included but for every one of us you'd surely lose there are like ten mouth-breathers that you could potentially gain.

Theo McCall

btw, i like your humour. Im just saying it weird because usually most people dont get what i find funny. usual disclaimer, unless its sourced take it as opinion! haha :P

Timothy S Hennessey

At 2 and a half hours it will still be more interesting and entertaining than 99.9% of the drivel that is on TV and YouTube.

InRange TV

That's an interesting ground seeding strategy.

Paul Suh

I would agree with Andrew Bethards, that one video does not directly lead to subscriptions, let alone Patreon support. To keep my volume of incoming videos (incoming fire?) down to a reasonable level I will usually watch a channel multiple times before subscribing. Maybe it's just me as I'm old school Internet, but I get enough crap coming in though various feeds that I'm very cautious about subscribing to anything.

Louis W. Reuter II

Who am I to second guess the successful creators of a video channel? That being said, as most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Keeping on your present course confirms your integrity, however giving the masses what they cry for, within reason, has its merrits. I like the mud tests because solid information is gained. Ramping it up to include some history or mechanical discussion may be something to consider. In summation, not following the current trends in society is, in my opinion, doing the right thing. The masses are usually wrong and worse yet, often immoral.

InRange TV

If we did that, though, then we're not demonetized as we said we were on YouTube and I don't want to violate that trust or statement with people like you guys, our true supporters.

Adam Crick

I'm sure that a lot of the traffic generated from that video was driven by people who have less of an.....intellectual interest in the subject and more of the general firearms enthusiasts. You may garner the occasional regular viewer from that demographic, but they're probably not your core demographic, at least currently. I'd say keep doing what you're doing; loving the videos with historical and technical context, and there aren't a whole lot of places to get that sort of thing, especially posting content as often as you guys do. I love it, keep it up.

Roland

I've been thinking on this for the past ~20 minutes and man, I just don't know. I have no idea why some stuff is so popular on YouTube and other stuff is not. I only know what I like.

Pest666

People in general are slack jawed mouth breathing cretins. Most mainstream content is created to pander to them. That's why I watch more YouTube than TV by far. It's sad to see YouTube sliding into the same rut. Gotta go. 'Ow My Balls' is about to start!

InRange TV

I love that show. My favorite part is when they use the rubber mallet!

InRange TV

I find that interesting because I click on subscribe on a channel within 1 interesting video because then I can just unsub very easily later if I don't like it.

Jon Davis

Mud Test the Marlin Model 60 and the Ruger 10/22. Call it the "Oh No Dad's gonna be MAD" series of mud tests.

TommyB_AZ

I support your site because I appreciate the honest mature of its content. Too many reviewer sites never have a negative thing to say about the products they are reviewing. It leads me to beleive that those sites are more sponsored marketers than objective reviewers.

Leonard Heinz

Fundamentally, I don't care whether you have demonetized or not. I do care about the quality of your content, and I get it that a slavish devotion to monetization would mean a lot of low information click bait videos that would turn me off. Given the vicissitudes of the Youtube monetization rules and the ephemeral nature of click bait, I suspect that you will build a more robust channel (and a more dependable income stream) by doing what you have been doing --focusing on providing quality content and in depth analysis that will attract Patreon supporters, like me.

Casey

When I look at the channels I watch every video for vs the cheeks I watch 75% vs 50% vs 25% (in terms of channels I'm subbed to) I can really see the difference in your of content. Example: I watch pretty much every video of Demo Ranch and Off the Ranch. I think I just have a man crush on Matt. His personally, in general, just pulls me in. His comment is pretty straight lined as well. I know if I click it'll be something I'm interested in because it's typically the same overall road, with a different view. InRange I watch 75% of the videos. I love the mud tests (mechanical based in nature), I love the 2GACM (action based), I live the WWSD project (mechanical again), but I only pick and choose when it comes to the vignettes or some other content. They just are my personal flavor. Forgotten Weapons is even more multi-threaded. I'm honestly not that interested in most of the guns shown. I still sub and support, but that's more because I like Ian, his ideas, and his personality than the objects he's showing. It's not that your content is bad or anything. I think it's just not as "promoted" in a sense beyond the smaller internet forums and the core viewers. I find you guys through the suggestions box when I was looking up shooting competitions and I like your 2GACM, so I started watching. It was almost a "fluke" watch. I started watching other channels because they collabed with a channel I already watched. Those get more attention it seems.

Sawyer Lawrence

Whenever you sacrifice someone's sacred cow they get upset. This Glock test is an example of that. However I think that the sheer number of "the Glock fanboys will be mad" comments was more annoying than the fanboys.

TommyB_AZ

"Nature" not Mature. Above...The mud tests do, however, appear to have a strong similarity to the gauntlet testing done on the Military Arms Channel. Not that I would eliminate your mud tests based on that similarity - just be aware of the issue.

InRange TV

Well, we did start the mud tests before he started the gauntlet, btw....not that it matters.

TommyB_AZ

Frankly, for a while now I have been wondering how you are able to deliver so much content!?! Many would have a difficult time earning a living while producing so much material; so I don't begrudge what paltry funding you receive from YT or Patreon...

James Ludovici

To be honest the mud tests have become my least favorite content. The first few were interesting, but now I just use them to make friends mad when their favorite firearm fails. However I wouldn't lose any sleep if I never saw a new one again. The WWSD and lever gun content was way more interesting to me.

Teddy

I agree that this is indicative of the basic flaw of tying revenue to impressions and engagement without taking the quality of impressions and engagement into account. Lately, the mud tests have demonstrated very little aside from the initial AR vs. AK difference between "sealing against debris" and "tolerancing to withstand debris". There have been tiny interesting anecdotes along the way (turns out, G3 / CETME style roller locks recover from mud ingestion more quickly and effectively than any other locking system), but ultimately the mud tests add very little value at this point. I would hazard that without an in-depth look at why a gun fails the test (like you and the Tavor's owner did with the Tavor cleaning followup vids), you won't see much overlap between the "Share this because it'll annoy my Glock friends that their sacred cow lost to a Hi-Point" crowd and the "seriously interested in gun design, history and practical use" crowd that your other videos draw and that drives your Patreon funding stream. That said, people in the latter crowd won't know about your channel if it never makes it across their Facebook or YouTube feed. Thus, there's certainly a place for the occasional simplistic, mass-market video that gets your brand out there, especially if there's a follow-up hook (e.g., "Why did the Glock fail? What characteristics make a pistol design more or less vulnerable to mud ingestion?") that naturally leads someone from that mass-market video into something more along the lines of your in-depth content. There is value in the humor of the mud tests, though - exhibit A is the StG 57 test (that also helped "cement" the roller lock anomaly).

Thomas Bobay

Your analysis is spot on. There are a lot more casually curious firearms people than there are propeller-head gun nerds like I think many of us patreon people are. The mud tests appeal to a wider but less dedicated audience than your other topics. While I enjoy them and encourage you to keep doing them, please keep giving us the detailed gun nerd information that is hard to find among a million "hey look at this" pages.

Jennifer Rittmann

Ok, I'll admit, I find the mud tests very amusing... I like to see if a gun can make it through! However, my SO and I watch the channel for way more than just that. But I must admit, that my SO isn't allowed to watch the mud test of any gun without me. Some of the other content doesn't interest me as much, and I can say the same for him, but I think we both find amusement from the mud tests. And honestly, I was a bit surprised by how well the Glock did!

Koji Peterson

To echo your sentiment, while I enjoyed the schadefreude of watching the G19 fair very slightly worse than the infamous Hi-Point, there was nothing I gained by watching it. My eventual thoughts were: "I wonder how Karl feels about this video?" InRange has previously derided the value of that content and I agree wholeheartedly, especially in comparison to your other content. I'd be fine if we never did another mud test until we thought we had something interesting to show.... your call, I trust you.

InRange TV

Yes, I agree. There will be future mud tests at some point, but they will only be on specific firearms that have merit in doing so, not just every possible thing there is that people like. We have a very different approach to dust and sand coming, btw.

Jon Davis

It would be nice to know exactly why the G19 failed and if the failure can be reproduced.

Jerry Hales

I don't know why I like the mudtests. All guns will fail if you fill them with mud. Maybe I like it when I'm surprised by the results. Some fail hard and others keep chugging for a while.

Matthew Krotzer

I am probably an outlier but I've​ been watching YouTube for 10 years and I have only logged in and subbed channels recently. Last 3 months or so. It may be that most of your audience doesn't even begin to consider subscribing.

Marshall Lee

(my individual stats) I became a Patreon supporter after watching your videos for a couple months. I tend to YT subscribe to/regularly watch only a few channels. I try to 'like' videos I truly like and I hope that the likes helps those funded solely through YT. I don't think I would support too many more content providers via Patreon due to my own funding limitations and for those content providers solely on YT they seem to be well enough supported that I don't think they would move to Patreon anyway. A question I do have is about video likes. do they matter/help you in any way? Do you use the likes as a meter on how well a video is received? I ask this since I figured that YT 'likes' helped with ad revenue (might be wrong on this point) and since ad revenue is off on your videos how do you utilizes the 'likes/dislikes'? And since it keeps coming up; I tend to ignore YT comments since they tend to be so off topic (to state it nicely). Thanks for your continued work.

James Caldwell

I was an early payer (paypal) to Ian's Forgotten Weapons site (apparently I'm a gun nerd ;), and slowly got sucked into InRange through the two of your "shared" historical 2G matches in typical period gear (awesome BTW!) and what finally pulled me in was the WWSD. I've been slowly catching up watching the older video's and have found them quite interesting as well. Anyway, I actually like the Mud tests purely from the mechanical aspects of it, particularly since you guys explain what the failure mechanism is. (BTW- I've YouTubed for many, many years and I don't subscribe to anything- didn't realize it was that big a deal).

Mark P

I must say that personally, I don't care for the mud tests or the recent preponderance of AR content. Your early videos were of greater interest to me (Zf-41, explosive ammo, etc.).

Emily

I agree to 100%. I also enjoy watching all of the content you guys put out, but the mud tests are probably my least favourite. To be perfectly honest, the parts I enjoy the most are the ones where you draw conclusions or analyse why things went like they did, regardless of whether it's post-stage/match commentary or alternate history speculation or something entirely different. Now I may just ramble on a bit about why I think I like what I like and what got me here, so feel free to skip the rest if interest wanes... I came here from Forgotten Weapons when I went through Ian's massive library of videos and found a link to InRangeTV. What drove me to HIS channel in the first place was his unique approach. I feel silly typing the words 'martial scholar', but his approach had more to do with books, design aspects, and history than machine pistol drum mags loaded with tiny nukes and an in-your-face hyper-macho aggressive attitude. So I came to InRange expecting the same kind of thing, but with a broader scope than prototypes and failed business ventures. I was very emphatically not disappointed; you had your analysis of SHOT Show, you had honest, unbiased reviews of stuff I'd admittedly never see in real life, living in Sweden and not being a hunter or a cop, and then you had your matches. I'll admit, at first I was sceptical of the matches, expecting something, like, well, er... "FPSSoviet", to keep things nice and non-inflammatory, but you managed to "stay smart" despite the focus on physical prowess and general gun culture (no offence to you, but when we hear any combination of the words 'gun' and 'USA' over here, we almost always picture a 500lbs guy who drunkenly shouts at the Starbucks cashier for saying he's not allowed to open-carry his tacticool AR15 on his mobility scooter in there because it scares the kids). What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that you've done, for me, personally, if nothing else, more to promote gun culture and spread a positive image of gun owners in the US, than what the NRA probably had, had they been going in the right direction (just an opinion from an outsider. You've mentioned them in a positive light sometime, and I'm a little ashamed to say that I did a double-take on that, having only heard their more... 'Extreme' causes in general)... Okay, ramble stops here, and I'll try to summarise: Everything I've seen you guys do and show has been interesting and entertaining, but the mud tests least so. Never stop going for the scholarly analysis over the random explosions. You guys are awesome doing what you do!

Rupanrx

Hahahaha. You hurt all the glock keyboard warriors feelings Karl. Thanks!!!

Ron Johnson

The "problem" is that mass advertising *must* eventually descend to the lowest common denominator. Products that aim higher *can't* survive with such a model.

Ron Johnson

+1 to a "why the G19 failed" video.

Simon W S

Instead of looking at short-term growth, and plotting it against your most viewed video, why not try and plot a graph of patreons who have joined per month since you de-monitised , you might find it less distressing. It is a bit like dancing hamsters, popular but useless. Go for quality content and a loyal audience will follow. Hopefully ;-)

Daniel Kibler

I watch everything you guys put up even if the subject isn't something I am typically drawn to and have always walked away satisfied including most of the hacker stuff or at least what I understand of it. Regarding the mud tests being the most viewed and shared, while I find that unfortunate because of all the amazing content Inrange has that's actually educational it sure doesn't surprise me. Personally I could live without the mud tests. For every one that shows a failure there is another one out there that shows the opposite and then it just turns into a fanboy frenzy or even worse in my opinion the "What should I buy to replace my Glock or AK now" crowd because it's clearly unreliable. I do like when they have been done on WWI and WWII weapons because of the history of the weapons and that fact that many of the famous battles fought were done so in some of the worst battlefield conditions ever. This channels as well as Forgotten weapons was started with the sole intent of education, history, and fun and unfortunately that does not always seem to resonate with a large portion of the internet these day's, but I am glad to see you guy's have never dummed it down or sold out to any corporate sponsorship pro gun or not and have kept your mission statement clear regardless of how it may hurt you financially. That shows what kind of men you are as well as how much you believe in what you are doing which has only been good for the 2A community.

Chris Camp

The mud tests are OK and have sort of become your signature "thing", but they are sort of the low hanging fruit of content. I think they would be more intetesting if you could take the gun apart and analyze what failed.

Maxim

If you were still relying on ad revenue you might be rammed into putting things like this out. The reality is you need to support any serious endeavor financially and at some point some low hanging fruit that brings home the bacon is necessary unless some other funding is obtained. Honestly I don't think that you would be satisfied producing content that made it onto the YouTube's trending page. I think you are going to have to accept that producing content for gun nerds is a very niche topic with a viewer base that will be slow to grow. If the gun world was a company you would be the guys with thick glasses who don't get out much which they keep in the basement to deal with the tiny details and actually keep the company from closing. You might just want to be careful how much sun you guys get, that pale skin probably burns easily!

AB

I'd guess the click-baity, highly controversial things (such as mud tests of popular guns or contrarian viewpoints on subjects people get unnecessarily emotional about) would definitely net an increase in viewership but not necessarily what I’d call quality viewers. That is to say that the type of people who would actually support a channel or content creator via a platform like Patreon aren’t likely to be the same people who move in droves to things like mudtests. Inversely, people who like to view quality content like historical posts, in-depth mechanical breakdowns and discussions, etc. ARE likely to be the type of person that would support a content creator via Patreon. That’s my take on it at least.

Sean Smith

I like it all. Especially the Q&A. Love that stuff! I wouldn't worry about the subscriber count though. The metrics of all that stuff just escape me, so I tend to ignore it though. I can't figure it out for the life of me. A serious question though, was it 14 new subscribers, or a subscriber count that went up by 14? Cause it could be that you lost a bunch of subscribers due to Glock fanboys getting all but hurt and leaving, only to gain a bunch others due to "GLOCKS SUCK!!" and what not.

David Adams

I enjoy the mud tests as it fits the "killing the sacred cow" part of In Range. However I think that you and Ian appeal to a different audience that is more focused on the history, mechanics, and the impact of firearms than you average YouTube gun video viewer. We come here for depth and knowledge, not spectacle. I know I could listen to 2-3 hour Q&A's which would get you single digit views on Youtube. You and Ian are interesting people with interesting views. There is a place for fry bread, mud tests, and 2 Gun. You have excellent variety. Trust your instincts and go with what you've been doing. Your audience is pretty loyal,

John Gaines

Just keep doing what you are doing, that's why I support you.

Drew Coleman

The mud tests are a nice change of pace - I really like the matches, and the WWSD stuff. In fact, I'd like to see other build/customization videos with discussion and explanation of the choices you make. For example, things like body armor or a fighting pistol. I enjoy your channel quite a lot lot as it is as well :)

Daniel Kibler

I do like the idea of the follow up after cleaning videos to go over the reasons for the stoppages. I think for more experienced Glock users this one was pretty easy to figure out but it's apparent that a good portion of firearms owners do not understand how their firearms work or why they were engineered like they are.

Doc53

I support InRange because I enjoy the content mix. Mud tests may not be intellectual but I love the "OMG, I can't believe he did that." moments. Some of your videos are terrible video and audio quality, yet they are some of the best content. Don't chase the numbers. Stay the course.

Nathan Gefvert

I think you are right that the mud tests are more of a 'broad appeal' thing but not your most engaging content. While not being the draw for me, they sometimes can be surprising. I usually save watching them when I am out of other videos. For example, I found you guys by way of a video where you were messing around with exploding WW2 rounds. Looking back, I like much of your other content that is more in depth, but the less intellectual stuff does get people in the seats.

John Ott

I like the mass appeal topics. I instantly clicked on the Glock 19 mud test when I saw the notification. I also don't have a problem with the YouTube comments. They are for the most part entertaining., which is why I watch YouTube, to be entertained and to learn some stuff along the way.

Matthew Lee

It's good to continue to grow the channel's base so I view the mud tests as good exposure and a way to "bait" new folks in and see if they like what you guys do. The mud tests are a nice change of pace every now and then but I would enjoy them more with an analysis after the test. That analysis in the mud test video itself would provide a little more insight to all the new viewers as to what you guys are more about. Keep up the great work! I watch and enjoy everything you guys do!

John Ott

One of my favorite videos was of the exploding ammo. I think a demonstration as well as some history makes a great vid.

Nathan K.

I think without an Israeli Bandage you'd bleed out. To answer your survey, "Speak softly and create great content." The comments on YouTube are irrelevant if your tests and methods were consistent. As you describe, the videos aren't attempting to demonstrate which is "more rugged". There are separate trials that are used specifically for that. The "InRange Mud Test" is a good demonstration of WHERE malfunctions can occur. Perhaps you could focus on the post-test autopsy like you did the Tavor. That would allow you to elevate the tests into said intellectual content, while maintaining popular appeal. Hook em with the test, book em with the gunsmithing, design, and knowledge.

Cyrano Jones

Although the mud tests are interesting, I usually don't pay too much attention to them. I saw that you posted the Glock mud test, but was not going to watch it because I don't have a Glock. I did watch the Hi-point, however. Since everyone seems to crap on Hi-point, I was curious. As for your question about attracting viewers, I agree with some others who posted that it has a "broad appeal" - mud tests are more sensationalistic, and if someone is just surfing the youtube wave, the picture of a gun covered in mud and the words "torture test" draw attention. But, if it gets you viewers than keep it up...

Daniel Kibler

So they might have actually broken even on the idiot count? :)

Darrel Ottosen

The mud tests are, at best, the comic relief for the serious content. Honestly, I watch them mainly to read the, uuh, "interesting" comments. However, you gotta do what you gotta do to grow the channel.

Daniel Svensson

I agree. I mean, I enjoy the mud test videoa and they are interesting but they are not as intellectual and not as enjoyable as maby other of your videos. This may just be me, but my favorites are the historical videos (like the analytical video about Wyatt Earp And Curly Bill). I like all your videos but these are some of tye best in my opinion and I'd love to see that expand, even to other eras and so on.

andrew hazel

Good example of why your model is the right model. Although I'd love to see you mud test a USP 40, just butcher that sacred cow. Using descent quality ammo of course.

Derek Metzker

I immediately clicked on the Glock 19 mud test because I wanted to see it fail. Glock fan boys can be very annoying at times. I once told a glock fan boy (or Glocktard as the Yankee Marshall calls them) at a gun show that I owned 37 handguns and not a one of them glock, because glock ergonomics are horrible. He almost started crying. But keep up the mud test. I watch all your videos. I find the mud test to be kind of cool especially on the older guns.

Hartley Grimes

You can't be 100% intellectual all the time, even Shakespeare did comedy and some of his jokes weee pretty low brow. I'll say I bet a lot of the stupid posters didn't watch the part where y'all explained that pretty much Any short recoil system that locks using the slide/barrel like a glock is going to fail. Not to mention the glock is AKish with its openness so this is totally expected. I do hope you mud test other pistols. I bet most will fail just like this one (M&P, SIGS, xD, H-K). Any revolver you do this too would be a bit pointless we can pretty well predict that you will be seriously lucky to get 1 round off. Perhaps a makarov will do better as long as the hammer travel area is protected (blowback probably will work better, hence the hi point getting 2 rounds... they are all blowback).

100radsbar

I think you have a good mixture of content, the old West Vignettes, the mud test, the 2-gun action match, the gunsmith videos, interviews with gun manufacturers, etc, etc. Having the broad spectrum of items gives the channel a broad appeal. I have learned a lot from your videos, you have dispelled a lot of die hard gun myths with your mud test, and I know more about guns, and about the old west than before i watched your content.

Hartley Grimes

I'll also add the AR and AK mud tests really opened my mind to what were some pretty ingrained biases about which system is more mud proof. I would have lost money on a bet on how that would have turned out. Also I liked your older sand test videos. Perhaps incorporate those as well. It's a bit less "extreme" a test.

Jimmy Williams

i am STRONGLY considering cancelling cable and increasing my patreon support for you guys and Othias & Mark. do not compromise. those numbers represent folks who are just seeking "thrill" videos, and are highly unlikely to actually contribute. We are here to stay. We love the variety, but we are here for the intellectual stimulation. I am mega involved in 2A politics in my home state, but i don't even want that from you. Do what you do best, and it will work. Try to become "all things to all men" and you will end up like the Discovery networks: 'reality' TV and stealing other's ideas instead of creative intellectually stimulating content.

SDA

While I enjoy the mud tests, I also enjoy a lot of your other videos covering history, tactics, as well as the competition videos. Videos like that shockwave one was fantastic. I think Patreon supporters will continue to increase as your channel continues to grow.

Emalkartha

I'm a fan of the mud tests, but the real reason I'm a fan of InRange overall is that the channel isn't really about one single thing; not to mention, the attitude and personality the two of you show. The Glock 19 video was going to be huge, and I don't think that was a surprise. I am surprised that it didn't get more people watching in terms of subscribers.

Cody Beauford

I 100% agree. I think most of the people that support you on patreon like to see content with a little substance than mud tests. Mud tests are fine, but definitely shouldn't be the main focus.

Whatismoo

The mud test are a kind of "huh that's interesting." What I find particularly fascinating are things like your pistol-grip pump video, the Q&As and the historical videos.

Ed Motlin

For the most part, Internet doesn't really care about intellect when it comes to firearms. I hate dropping names, but Youtubers like FPSRussia and DemoRanch are popular because they just show a weapon's destructive power and that's it. Other people like Hickok45, C&Rsenal and you guys are the only good firearms centered channels out there that doesn't just show explosions going off or doing just stupid things.

Kevin Williams

I can't begin to express how thankful I am that you do not cater to the media monster that is controversy and drama. I enjoy the content as it is - not afraid to touch on controversial topics once in a while but maintaining a solid mix and staying on mission. If anything, I'd like to see a bit more instruction. Building a med kit, building a rifle, building solid shooting positions, etc. would be very interesting coming from you guys specifically. Anyway, happy to support you, keep doin' what you're doin'.

Derek Martin

Karl your views may be true in the race to the bottom nature of mass media. I do like the occasional mud test videos. They are the first in range videos I saw because of the popularity of them. I became a patron member because of all the historic weapons actually used in real modern training environment and comparison to modern firearms. This is an unique aspect of inrange. As a last note I'd love to see what a piston ar would do in the infamous inrange mud test. as we know regular ar do well. Might be a video to diable comments on.

Ian Gratton

The mud tests are fairly interesting but in my opinion are funny! And that's all... It certainly isn't the reason I subscribed to Inrange or Forgotten Weapons or Hickok45. Keep up the excellent work guys!

Cary Widauf

The mud test are a bit gimmicky, but really entertaining... The 2 gun matches are awesome! I am using that model to help me in my reconditioning. I had a mild heart attack 2 years ago and my Doctor says its time to increase my fitness. The old West Vignettes are not only fun to watch but you get a better of idea of the frontier west in AZ. I really appreciate the content I get from you, Othias and May, Chris Bartocci, MAC, Mrgunsngear, IV8888, and a few others that is where my hard earned $$$ is going. Not some global network that tells me that I am too fat, old. ugly and lonely b/c I don't buy their products that I don't need. Please keep up the good work. Hopefully soon I will be in AZ and I can meet you both. BTW are there any updates from Hill and Mac???

Ben Dean

I enjoy the mud tests but mainly because they are funny. They aren't anywhere near the most interesting InRange content though. My guess for the massive views is because it's a Glock 19 and the stereotype of Glock is that it just always works. Which is clearly not the case. This is probably the surprise that has fuelled the success of that video. But I don't think you should do mud tests any more frequently than you already do.

Jorge Ortiz III

As entertaining as the Mud Test segments are, I support your account for the real work that you do in the project. If the shock value from these videos lead to new supporters, then go for it. I was caught like a deer in the headlights when you did the AR/AK mud test so I wont knock the Glock Community for being so trigger happy. Get it? No? Okay...

Theo McCall

Not totally connected to the question, but more stuff please like "The Operator's Guide to the 1860 Henry Rifle" thats really cool and interesting. on any weapons, historic and current. (to bust myth!)

Curtis Michels

I think the mud tests are fine, just sprinkle them in once in awhile like you're doing. Wouldn't want the channel to be nothing but mud tests, but I would be sad if they just went away. It would be neat if you can keep testing different actions. I'd like to see a hammer fired pistol, or maybe a revolver but not a ton of striker fired polymer things

F4_Phantom

New Patreon supporter but, I have been watching InRange and Forgotten Weapons for a while now. I fully support your's and Ian's decision to run your channel the way that you see fit. I enjoy the mud tests but, really look forward to your 2 gun matches and historical vignettes.

Joseph S.

Like some of the others, I'd also be interested in the postmortem look at what caused a firearm to fail your rather specific mud test. While I do find them interesting as well as entertaining, they're more of a side note to the rest of the channel's content, and it's the other things you guys do that truly make the channel work.

Allen Dickson

You need to maintain a good portfolio of complementary content. This is very common in the advertising world--some content is better for reach (views) and some is better for conversion (subscribers). You need both types to maintain a healthy customer base. Mind the consumer journey/lifecycle...based on my own Youtube viewership, it goes something like this: 1. A video catches my eye in home page recommendations, list of similar videos, or from collaborative video (yes, clickbait works on me to a degree) 2. After watching initial video, I may click others from recommended videos 3. Some time later after many video views, I may decide to subscribe 4. Over time I may become very devoted to a channel and even become a patreon supporter, or eventually get bored and unsub. So the process to become a subscriber can be long, and the content that got me to first watch is generally not the same content that made me become an avid consumer. Along the way, don't forget a couple of very important things: 1. The youtube recommended videos algorithm is critical to getting initially seen/noticed (and going viral) 2. But, the biggest factor in getting people to subscribe and stay is whether or not they make an emotional connection with your personality and ideas (recommend recent video of Joerg Sprave from slingshot channel eating an apple as an example)

Kelly D West

InRange is what it is because of YouTwo. Keep on keeping on.

Matisse Enzer

Glock pistols are very common, very well known, a widely known brand. Anything you do that is connected to them especially anything that provides fodder for anonymous bloviating is going to attract attention.

Shawn Adams

I watch and support you for all of your content, the least of which, in my opinion, are the mud tests. I'd rather have more internet and networking info to be honest.

Shawn Adams

And the old west vignettes are my favorite of all! The way you and Ian seem to free flow your thoughts through and around each other are what keep me checking back every day. As Kelly said above, Keep on keeping on.

PL

-Hi InRange TV. Reflected by the comments you mention, I'd say the video had extraneous views because it had a 'Glock' in it, sure you must see more views for more popular known firearm names. Please keep doing what you are doing, It's working. Don't concern yourself with popularist viewers who wouldn't think twice about giving support. If they watch bonus, if not....Genuine good work like inrangetv shines through

MarvinCZ

As mentioned before me, mud tests sprinkled here and there, especially on systems that are somehow different than those already tested, are nice. I would also stress that when you do them, try to give them the depth you have with everything else. What exactly happened and how? I certainly don't want this to be your main content, though. Keep the breadth an depth of your content, that's what I really love about InRange TV.

InRange TV

It's going to be awhile but I am working on the 1876 Squad Leader video.

Russell Street

Of everything you do mud test videos interest me the least. Still doing short videos of a more general interest is probably good. It may have only brought in 14 subscribers but I am sure a bunch of people who had never heard of InRange saw that video. Most will wander off to watch cat videos or something. Some will watch the occasional future video you do. A few will go watch your back catalog, subscribe on YouTube and who knows may be even join on Patreon. Without a bit of that more mass market content you never reach those people. So to spread the word it is worth putting up with the occasional mud test along with the commentary that comes with it.

Tony

I think mud tests are neat in a BuzzFeed "hey how about that" kind of way but that not substantive. My favorite content is things like old west ones. Reminds me of the history channel back when it had history on it.

Brandon

I'm not sure I'm understanding your question correctly, but the fact that you are *not* advertising sponsored, and that you *do* put out "Firearms Variety Show"-style videos that are unlikely to (on the whole) appeal to the majority-mentality of YouTube viewers where a given channel is expected to be "about <insert here="" shtick="">", I would expect that what just happened - a lot of views and shares with almost no extra subscribers - would be the norm and thus should be your expectation. If that's the case, though, then being ad-free is most definitely the best way to go: you don't *need* YT subscribers as your primary source to get views - you instead need the shares on as many platforms as possible (FB being a great one); the lack of ads is likely to promote views of videos by viewers that otherwise would not want to "waste their time" with the ad just to get to something they don't even know will be enjoyable to them; and with your financial support coming from people that are showing their support in the most "hardcore" way possible, IMO you really shouldn't even be worrying so much about these strange sorts of trends you are seeing. :) I think your technical (and especially InfoSec/Black Hat) background is actually hurting you (to put it one way) in regards to you looking for "intelligent cause-and-effect" where there really isn't any; YT is, for most people, what our parents would have called "the boob-tube" (okay, mine did at least..) - the primary, if not only, source of video intake, which really does mean that it's going to function just like how you're seeing it, as the Old Guard neither letting go nor willingly moving into a new age of true digital freedom, and the majority of viewers accepting that as "the way it is" rather than "the way it should no longer be." ...and like I said at first, I don't know if I even understood the question correctly. So I'll just get off my soap box now and hope I said something helpful..? ;)</insert>

Duke VonMeep the 2nd

I do think the mud tests are useful as they help break the mythos around certain firearms and "hero worship" of some designs, kinda takes things back to reality, i.e. if you drop you gun in a pit of mud chances are it's not going to work, helps re-inforce these are mechanical NOT magical items. However, videos like this (crushing old beliefs or at least testing them) due generate a lot of controversy and juvenile behavior instead of data points. This is why I prefer the Patreon model, it allows for DIVERSIONS (like mud tests) while still having the core messages of the channel to get across (learn, get better, represent our community in a positive light ). The old model does what what it does best, take something great, and water it down for a mass market audience

Kaz

Part of the reason the Glock test didn't boost subs and patrons might be because a lot of the viewers are Glockaboos who are as we speak angrily refuting the results of the test and launching ad hominem insults at you and Ian in the various corners of the internets. I'm kidding, of course, but I may not be too far of base haha. Anyway sporadic mud tests are fun, especially when the results are "unexpected" because of everything that is currently​ *ahem* "known" about a particular weapon. (I.e. Glocks can survive being nuked from orbit by the USS Sulaco, and ARs choke when windblown pollen gets into the action) but it's really the other InRange content that I favor - like the curbstomp SHOT Show coverage, the great PGO shotgun video, and the other diverse assortment of topics ranging from guns to old west history to weird canned fish and Nazi soda. It's nice to have a channel that, instead of just gushing over Colt's M16A1 re-issue, is asking the same question as the rest of us "Why the hell IS this thing $2500??" Keep doing what you guys are doing.

DaveR

I'm late to the party but my guess is that the popularity of that particular video was more about the Glock than about the mud. Glock lovers and Glock haters were probably motivated to watch it. One group probably blew it off as meaningless, the other as vindication, with neither group feeling compelled to explore the channel's content any further. Overall, I like the mudtests as a distraction, but nothing beyond a one-time-watch. They are kind of thin and not what you guys are best at.

Sebastian Hiller

Mud tests are interesting, and of course anything where a Glock does not look too good reliability-wise is going to get a lot of attention. That said, I concur that this should not be your main content. I think your strong suit is tasting old Fanta and stuff (just kidding). I came here from Forgotten Weapons and have to admit that I thought twice about supporting this channel because Karl never holds back voicing strong opinions that I do not always agree with. The easy way would be to walk away but I thought that the internet would be a better place if you are able support somebody that you disagree with sometimes. So here I am — not always agreeing but always enjoying what you guys are doing. What I am trying to say is: Just keep on doing what you are doing and the patrons will come.

Arturo Ceron

Is the question whether or not to continue doing mud tests specifically? ? I don't believe that type of content has much of an effect growing patreon support as it's not the main content IMO that we're looking for. It might get more YouTube views and subscribers if it's "controversial" enough, but that doesn't increase finical support now that your demonetized. What was the question again?

Tim

You are overthinking it again. Do the occasional Mudtest, it is good filler. Keep up the longer term stuff also. Test new guns in the matches, etc.

Lars Telg

I was under the impression that you did mudtests based on your own interest and I for one have found them informative, perhaps not only since the Luger did so good..... If you start taking requests I would be interested in a series of comparisons of flintlock, percussion and other locks. It would also be of interest with mauser systems and Henry-actions etc. Might be a good idea to just cut out the different specific makers of modern guns.

Arturo Ceron

Look, bottom line I support you guys because I like the content you produce. I mean it's great that you give us a chance to provide feedback and that you listen and consider that input. BUT, I consider myself more like a silent investor/partner while you continue to run your channel how you like while I just enjoy the ride. :)

Terry Buchholz

I like anything y'all put out; it's stimulating, thought provoking, sacred cow killing , intellectual content. As far as "shares" go, I think it's because most everyone has a facebook account ( actually the only other "share" account I have) and it's easy to do, not that any of my "friends" look at my page. I'm slow to sub to a channel and will watch several videos to see if it's a channel worth my time getting notified about. As far as Full30 goes, until they get a better interface and some way (perhaps a premium membership) to avoid the same ad for every video, I can only take about 1-2 low quality, buffering videos there before I have to give up. Hope this helps you in some way. Thanks.

R.E.C.

My two cents : A mud test itself will draw a "certain" type of new viewer and adding a Glock will continue to draw more of the same (younger - teenage viewer, less knowledgeable, and looking to see the gun fail and hopefully drastically). This new viewer, (I have a teenage "tomboy" daughter, and two teenage nephews who are like sons and know something of their internet usage) won't subscribe unless the content continues in that same damage inducing vein (Demolition Ranch style, I like his channel for a laugh but not for actual information and discussion, like yours) will leave troll style comments, and will pass videos on at a high rate. And while I do find the mud tests interesting and somewhat informative, and you do a great job performing them in a thorough manner, are not the content I watch to see. I'd do one every once in awhile on a high profile weapon (a bullpup like the Styer Aug or the FN P90 might be good choices) but concentrate on other content not Mud tests. Just my opinion. Keep up the Great Work !!

Michael Smith

I'm proud to be a sack of thrombocytes.

BigVisk

If you only did mud tests I wouldn't watch. I find them to have some entertainment value but much prefer your 2 gun stuff, wwsd, history vids, etc.

Anthony Hope

The extra views you get from the mud tests are primarily from people who simply don't appreciate and value the more in depth knowledge based material. The first video I ever watched of yours actually was a mud test, I was looking up any and every video on a certain rifle and came across it. That did not make me want to watch more of your content, it wasn't until I watched some of the WW1 and WW2 themed 2 gun matches that I actually started exploring more of your content. To sum it up the people that will actually support you on Patreon value your intellectual content alot more than the mud tests, but they can be interesting and it can help to spread the Inrange tv name

Kirk Yatras

I found the first few mud tests interesting. In terms of learning that the tests essentially favour sealed systems over anything with critical dimensions on the outside or systems that allow mud ingress into the gun. The results from the Glock mud test came as no suprise to me. But I have always found other content more interesting overall. I wouldnt say to stop with the mud tests but I think the present rate of them is fine.

Herk

I think that if the occasional mud test (or similar) video creates a lot of attention (even if that attention comes with a lot of derp attached to it) then it might draw people to the channel who will see the rest of the more intellectually-stimulating content. "No such thing as bad publicity" and all that. I figure that stuff like this is actually good in very tiny doses. As you said, doing nothing but mud tests on the most controversial stuff would get lots of views but, thank God, that's not what InRange is about.

Caedwyll

Personally I would have liked more discussion with that particular mud test, maybe going into the particulars of how the Glock's trigger mechanism started acting up. The actual test is fun, but I prefer the ones where you guys do your best to explain *why* we got the results we did.

Theo McCall

Brilliant! thanks for the reply :)

InRange TV

Over analysis is my nature, I can't defy it. :)

InRange TV

Luckily we have a few OWVs coming! :)

William meadows

Keep the mud test's at the same rate,the change from the normal content keeps it fresh

InRange TV

I fully admit that I frequently a bit overly analytical. :)

Stew Knoles

I know I don't write dumb comments but I've seen them. Usually these are trolls who are not happy with much. Your channel is one of the best out there. Keep up the good work and can't wait till your next video.

David Catanzaro

"Thankfully this is NOT our model". Yes, thank you for not taking the easy road. Intelligent content that is worth watching is a valuable commodity on YouTube. If the comments get to a point where editing them is taking up too much valuable time then take down the comments section. Perhaps limit comments to Patreon only subscribers? Just thinking out loud.

Brian Magurn

My thoughts on these videos are twofold, on one hand I love your more in depth content, you guys provide a deeply needed service to the firearms community buy standing apart from the formula of "bearded tactical man shoots firearm several times, tells you its a good firearm." and actually providing intelligent content. I love the content and would hate to see you go away from it. The mud tests are undeniably less intellectual than other videos. That said, I don't think this makes them inherently bad; they are still good videos that show most viewers something they will most likely not want to do to a personal firearm. They are certainly interesting, even if they are brain snacks instead of meals.

Kevin Matthews

Mud tests are always fun, example; Tim at Military Arms Channel he has had huge success with those tests but it still isn't the core of what he does! Nor is it or should it be for In Range TV! I appreciate your perspectives and the look back through history with some of the advantages and disadvantages of historic weapons. I still however enjoy when you review/run modern firearms. In the end variety is the spice of life! Cheers!

Brandon

Most of my life has been spent in the tech sector - and even when not, my brain was most definitely wired and thinking as if I was - so I full-well understand the entire "but it/they/They *makes no SENSE!*" analysis, so I'm right there with ya, buddy. ;)

Tim Boyle

This is why TV is like it is a diet of reality TV crap - lowest common denominator! Stick with what your doing. While nit all you do interests me the depth of what you do is a breath of fresh air.

Brian I

Mud tests make for good view bait and will actually bring in supporters (as with my case). I think those mud tests got me hooked on your channel and then I got more interested in your other content and my interests have grown from there. It's a good introduction to novice enthusiasts and regardless of the mindless babble in the comments, is a place for beginners to grow. You could always save the intellectual side of your channel off YouTube and save YouTube for the mud tests and other "hey come check us out" content. Love your channel regardless but I will say that in the consumer society we live in, mud tests are regarded highly as "please justify my purchase" resources. Keep up the good work guys.

Brian I

Further, I would like to add that as a wannabe firearms designer, I was blown away seeing what failed and succeeded in the mud tests and why. They really are the reason I became a Patreon supporter, regardless of what class of viewer that puts me in.

James Sellers

I liked the mud reviews for purely selfish reasons... Most recently the Glock mud test because I own a 17 and a 26. It's hard to be all things to all viewers. I asked most recently about you guys spreading your talents to wild hog eradication, reviewing tactics, optics (day, night, etc), locations, expenses... I know your hearts are in the two gun matches and that content is great. Personally I'm a fan but not a huge fan. Being 63 and some what beat-up from years of jumping, diving, running, lifting, etc. I don't view that content with the enthusiasm of someone wanting to do that. I enjoy it, but I pay to see you guys do the history, shooting reviews, and the competition between the two of you. Too bad you can't find a way to filter the crap comments... We're all getting spam or crank calls these days.

Confused Dave

Youtube is a cesspool of idiots and trolls. The greater exposure a video gets, the greater the platform for trolling and general 'look at me' type comments. The greater the amount of trolling and stupid shit, the less likely that intelligent or relevant comment will flourish (and it is also more likely to get derailed by trolls and stupid). As you get more views, you will see more and more reasons to shut down comments on YouTube. People that are interested will follow a link to an outside message board or forum, YouTube trolls will just find another video with lots of exposure to troll on.

Joe Venzon

Completely agree. Advertising fueled mass media would never generate quality content like your WWSD videos, old west vignettes, or the navajo food & cooking video. Keep up the good work!

Erik Johnson

The mud tests are fun to watch but at their heart I see them as more entertainment than anything else. I prefer you're deep dive videos like WWSD and videos akin to your "female snipers of the soviet union" that mix history and purpose into a gun video. Keep up the great work!

Daniel Fain

I'm here for the insight, the technical content, the history, and generally to learn stuff. Mud tests are neat, but they're definitely not why I'm a patron or why I keep coming back to watch InRange videos. I recently really enjoyed the video about short range high speed drills, and I'd like to see a little more instructional content like that thrown into the mix.

InRange TV

I could see how it would have value for such an endeavor, definitely!

Paul Smith

I tend to agree with you, Karl, it's fun, from time to time, to watch a mud test, but the more intellectual videos are my favorite. I think your business model leads to the highest quality content.

paul conrad

while I enjoy the mud test (and would like to see you do one on the II Galil Ace Rifle) it is not why I follow you and support you. I like the history first (Forgotten Weapons is how I got here) Next the Two gun matches are fun to watch as long as you keep doing them in your style. In my opinion the reason you keep growing is because you keep it interesting. Keep up the good work, stay true to your model, have fun with it, and you should flourish

TomRedlion

I agree that most mass media does indeed cater to the lowest common denominator. Your mud test videos, while rather low-brow, are still entertaining and informative. (How much mud can this gun actually endure before it actually malfunctions or fails?) Keep up the good work. Don't let the trolls get to you.

Alexandru Ianu

The mud tests are interesting, but your channel is fundamentally different in terms of content from the more mainstream entertainment, though both have their place. Of course, "going for the views" for this channel would be as short sighted as the old "but the chart says..." meme with movie execs.

Emmanuel Turner

I like the range of content on InRange, including the Mud Tests. Please keep the variety of content. Youtube comments are cancer: ignore them.

Jordan Nelson

The mud tests are fun to watch, and have something to do with how I wound up interested enough to figure out what InRange had to offer. That being said, they aren't why I started doing the Patreon thing. Your current mix of content seems about right in my opinion!

Chaplain Chawley

I agree. I'd say the main reason it exploded for that mud test is because it is another slain sacred cow of the tacticool elitists. Watching their beloved Glock fail, and spectacularly at that, must have been a major "does not compute" moment for them. It might have been a life changing experience for some Glock true believers to learn that all machines fail when enough foreign debris is introduced but most of them just had a reactionary lashing-out rant, attacking your methods. I mean, pouring mud on a gun can only get so technical... but if you can spark propaganda battles between nations with your methods, I'd say you can bet that you are doing a good job even with how you muddy up guns and place little regard in the ravings of triggered ardent Glock acolyte cultists. Now, when it comes to people coming to Patreon as new supporters, I think there is more to it. YouTube was until relatively recently a free entertainment service, and people are used to it. It's a hard sell at first and most people balk at the thought of giving even a dollar. I didn't decide to support you guys on patreon until I had watched most of your videos. It became an experience, and I began to feel like I knew you guys personally. It jived with me for a while and I felt compelled to support your work, because I felt like you had something different and deeper to bring to the table. What I'm saying is that gaining patreon supporters takes more than one video to accomplish. It has to become something more to you than "cheap easy entertainment that you get for free anyway so why should I pay for it?" That's my two cents, as worthless as that is. And for what it's worth, you guys have led the way in a new YouTube model for gun channels. I've noticed a few of the big channels have moved to a form of patreon support base, following your example. I think they have their place. I do enjoy the content of, say, Military Arms Channel and Iraqveteran8888, when I want a fun, high quality review video about a gun, but I look forward to your video about what place that gun has in modern war and historical perspective. I think you guys would get along well with Nutnfancy, my other favorite youtuber (out of Utah), but he's a bit of a social hermit. He has the same "don't care what the big companies and sacred cow worshippers think" attitude, though, and produces similar content. And to toss my two cents in the Navajo video discussion, it's not your best work but that doesn't mean I didn't like it. It was just another interesting perspective video that you guys are known for putting out. I'd say your main content is what keeps everyone coming back... that being practical use and discussion of firearms. All the other stuff is still totally worth while and I'd like to see it keep coming, but it is all supportive content and diverse. It's everything together that makes you you.

Farmer Brown

Somehow my comment got erased... I find the mud tests entertaining, but I don't change my daily routine to rush somewhere quiet to watch the latest one after it's gone live. I *DO* find myself doing that for the 2GACM type videos, I really like the talks before and after each stage. I'm not surprised that the G19 fail gets a mass "viral" hit in the short term, but they are really content butterflies - they touch a lot of things and settle on nothing. You wanna get a lot of "social beings" bagging their Glock fanboy friends - that's the URL right there. Leave a few in, but taking another angle would be good. Just doing mud-tests is pretty passé. I really like the content you put out - and a bit of variation is great. Always something interesting in every snippet. The way you two guys work with each other and play off each other is always fascinating. Keep up the good work.

Ian Johnson

I would say just do one mud test a month, and whether that is on the be all end all tacticool gun or some rare and obscure swiss delayed roller blowback that you will never get to handle again, either way is just as good. I started watching because of the 2G ACM videos, but I support because of the diversity of content, not all of which is something I would otherwise click on. However, I like your guys' perspective and opinion, and if your subject matter for the day changes from cleaning mud out of a tavor to cooking with fire clean, all the better. P.S. I know its too late to film one, but will we be seeing an after action of what it took to clean the Glock like we did with the tavor?

Brad Stanhope

I just became a patreon supporter of InRange TV this morning, which I'm not bringing that up for some sort of recognition, I simply wanted you to understand my perspective. I saw the mud video on YouTube, but I haven't watched it yet, because you already have so much more interesting content that I would rather spend my time watching. I'm like Farmer Brown above, I almost drop everything to watch the 2GACM videos, and that style of content is why I am here now. While the slaying of sacred cows is always interesting, and sure to get some peoples attention, I prefer to see it done on a whole system or group of similar components rather than just one component. For instance, do a mud test with a 1911, Glock, Sig P320, etc. etc. , all at once. I would also be very interested in any advice or guidance that you guys could give about the organizational side of 2GACM. I'm working with a local range and gun club to start something like this in our area, and I would love any help I could get. Thanks again and keep up the good work!

PHAZE

I'm interested in mud tests with stories behind them. The AK and AR15 have a narrative of popular opinion. The M1 Garand and Luger were service weapons in a muddy war. The tavor video was interesting because of what it took to clean it. And so on. And I don't mind other weapons appearing from time to time, but I'm not excited by them. I don't want to see a weekly mud test of yet another modern pistol until we've seen every variant from every manufacturer, but I don't mind the rate at which they've been popping up.

Brian Strayer

Unfortunately, the masses seem to be very unintelligent, and having poor taste. This is how terrible artists (musicians), music, movies and tv content seem to be so popular. Doesnt make it good. Likewise, just because a lot of stupid people happen to comment on your video, doesnt make it unintelligent or lacking in quality info. I know a lot of people that have guns of all kinds, but I dont think any of them are willing to dump them in mud and try them out. To me, this is the true benefit of these videos. I can see the effects of the situation without having to clean my gun of all that mud.

mikegwf

I like the mud test videos; they're interesting, if for no other reason than betting against myself on the results, and then seeing what happens. I'll say, though, that it's the WWSD 2017 project that convinced me to put my money where my eyeballs are. I've binged watched the entire InRange video list, but I was really excited when I saw the WWSD intro.

Bob McCormick

Where I live it is dry like AZ, so not much risk of muddling my G19, but I was surprised at the quick failure. Once you try to clear it by cycling and mud gets inside, all downhill. Made me re-watch the WWSD on the KE trigger.

Bob McCormick

You need to work X vs Y and Wolverine into the title to get more views (see TV Tropes for the Wolverine effect).😄

Bob McCormick

One of the best parts of the series on the SA80 was explaining WHY it had problems, such as the inexperience of the designers. Most folk pull trigger and get boom, but don't understand all the thinking and refinement that go into a reliable firearm.

Nalyk

Personally I have enjoyed watching the WWSD project evolve into what it is; so much so that I am pretty sold on the idea of building my own. My favorite video by far has been the shotgun/home defense video that pitted the pistol grip shotgun, side-by-side and the straight pump against one another. The results were not surprising to me at all (and probably not to either of you) but was very entertaining, and further brought to light what I always thought was true about pistol grip shotguns.

Angus Anderson

Like everyone is saying. Love your variety, including comparison mud tests and remediation. Love the vignettes and history. Love the action match stuff. Love the reviews and field testing of kit. You guys bounce off each other well. You're factual and human and not lost in the whispering-death tacti-cool. So please don't change to appease the "gnat attention-span" general populace. They watch the viral stuff, comment stupidity, then flick off to watch a vid on the cast of Jersey Shores getting in an off-set fist fight. They're not going to Patreon you guys, and you get nothing from them watching (no ad $). And the comments debate? I've changed my mind. When you've had enough of a particular video's comments section, yeah, just block it. We're here for the videos, not the purile arguments.

Mike Bregman

The Mud Tests are amusing, but I literally cringe every time watch one because I know some luckless bastard has to clean that poor weapon. Really, though, I tend to enjoy the 2 Gun videos more, and the talks afterwards when you describe either the challenges of the range that day or the way the gear you were using effected the day at the range. Especially the older, more historical gear. That is just me though.

Grant Howard

I think if it's a gun you are actually going to use in a match it it's a gun you really want to stress test the mud tests are great. But doing them "just because" seems a little click-baity

thormusique

I agree with others who say that, while mud tests are ok, I think there are enough people out there who do them (and I personally don't care that much for 'em). On the other hand, all the other stuff, including your spot-on analyses, you guys do brilliantly. In fact, you guys are brilliant, and I frankly don't see other brilliant gun media out there. You guys stand out from the crowd precisely because of your intelligent presentations, so why do anything else? Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.

Jeremy Hernandez

I like that you do some of the mud tests but like other content I view it like you present it as entertainment over actual pure science. I don't invest my ego in a particular brand as many of the people who have the less intelligent comments clearly have. What I enjoy and why I have chosen to be a patreon is because of the variety and concise information contained in your videos. There isn't a lot of personal bias and we as the consumer are left to take from the content what we wish. No agenda, no bullshit.

Chris Alexander

It's a balancing act. Yes - I'd like it if you could disregard hit numbers (and trolls in the comments), but the reality is these videos cost money to put together and (unless you guys happen to be independently wealthy) you DO need to be able to generate enough revenue from them to make it worth your effort.

Stuart Hunter

Shooting is fun, mud tests are fun, so I enjoy watching them. I don't put any faith in one gun failing or succeeding one time in such a test. The Glock 19 test will not stop me carrying one.

Grimmauch

To be perfectly honest, make the videos that make enough money for you two to continue to make videos. I would compare you guys to a show called Top gear(UK version with Clarkson, Hammond and May), it might be a car show but what it really is about is 3 guys with great onscreen chemistry and charisma together that make the show entertaining and on some level educating. Your videos might be about guns and the culture surrounding guns, but what really makes it tick, atleast for me, is the banter and sense of humor you two share.

John Riley

At the moment I don't own a gun. So why support in range TV? Well, intelligent discourse by experts has an intrinsic value. But for me the way you combine Ian and Karl's historical commentary, drilling down into what Internet freedom means in practice, the old west vignettes and the breadth of content creates a total package that I want to support.