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Gina Gone! Cara Dune Canceled! (Patreon)

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Yeah, sure. Valentines Day is O-VAH! But we still love you guys so here is another RFR Early Bird release! 

We discuss and debate the entire Gina Carano blowup in-depth. Plus, we feature listener feedback about the controversy. Should there be a new actress playing Cara in future episodes? Or should they just forget the character and move on? And what does this mean for THE MANDALORIAN and The STAR WARS franchise moving forward? It's complicated. Join us as we try to wrap our heads around this very messy situation.

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SkyHighJedi

Damn Jimmy, burning the midnight oil. MTFBWY

Patrick Palen

Excited! I'm looking forward to this. Btw, excellent job on your last episode with Jason and Paul Bateman, Jimmy! It was one of my most favorite RFR episodes in awhile. Jam packed with lots of valuable insight and great chemistry. MTFBWY

James johnson

Great show. You both did a great job of navigating a tough topic. At times I agreed with both of you and at other times I was saying "oh come on!" to both of you. Which of course just means your speaking from the heart and not what just what you "should" say. And that's why we love you guys! Thanks for keeping me entertained and thinking on an early drive to work

Jeff LeCrone

Great, great, job, guys. What a wonderful way of modeling civil conversation over a divisive issue. Issues like this have a way of generating cyclical outrage, and you guys did a phenomenal job of taking a step back and looking at all sides. Well done.

Antonio from NJ

I'm going to save this one for after work haha don't need to be heated going into a meeting. Thanks guys for making the effort to have a legit conversation.

Michael Bauer

Actions have consequences. You can whine all you want about 'cancel culture' if you really are determined to be a victim. She chose selfishness over Star Wars and it sucks.

Antonio from NJ
>>53959723

Imagine getting fired for violating your social media conduct clause and crying about how its the fault of cancel culture and not your own actions.

Brooks P

Excited to listen and hear some civil debate.

Alex Rahal

Best, most balanced take I’ve heard. I really hate cancel culture, but I understand as a business owner when someone is causing problems for your business image.

Daniel

Another great episode. Thanks guys.

David Fieldsend

I was sweating this one, but I just listened, and I appreciate the level-headedness and civility of the discussion. Thank you for reinforcing my faith in RFR, guys! That said, since Jason read verbatim the content of one of Gina's tweets about masks to make the point (I believe) that she may not have known she'd be upsetting people, I think with her latest tweet about Holocaust comparisons, along with the accompanying photo she tweeted of a scared, bloodied Jewish woman about to be murdered in the street in Nazi-occupied Ukraine, and after she had been warned by Disney about her past tweets, I'm pretty sure she knew she was being provocative and was planning on burning her way out the door. Who knows. Either way, it showed a lack of judgment, placing her agenda above Star Wars and above the fans. And Disney (or Lucas Film or whoever) showed a stubbornness and lack of communication or a clear social media policy that put their own agenda above fans, too (which they've seemed to delight in doing in the past, unfortunately). This whole situation sucks, but RFR has handled it as best as can be managed given the circumstances. Keep up the good work, guys! Sorry for the length :)

SkyHighJedi

Remember the Jedi Council of the prequels? They debated rules and regulations. They were drowning in Jedi dogma. All the while the Empire rises right in front of them. Light Vs Dark

Peter Beisser

Let's all never talk about this again.

Tim Brown

No one person is bigger than Star Wars. Even the Maker himself had to apologise for his unfortunate comments on Charlie Rose. Agree that education is the best way forward.

Joe Punk trooper Lehner

I believe words have consequences, but is anything Gena posted really bad enough to loose her job over. In my opinion no. I really don't agree with most her opinions, but we don't have to agree with her. She's not the president or in charge of anything that will actually effect us. she's an actress playing a character who cares if you don't agree with something she posted on the internet. I honestly don't understand why this is a big deal at all.

Rob Heaton
>>53972220

Agreed completely David, it was very odd that Jason wanted to fixate on a benign post of Gina's while ignoring the trans-denialism and Jews-during-Holocaust comparisons. By some accounts it had been Jon Favreau who protected her the first time (and second time?) from Kennedy's ire, so how braindead do you have to be to make such a comparison when you know Jon is Jewish himself? Is there one topic that Hollywood in general is more sensitive to? Even if Jon wasn't involved in the ultimate decision to not bring Gina back, why alienate your staunchest defender? This seems like a case of just consequences for one's stubborn actions, three strikes and you're out, rather than "cancel culture par excellence" as right-leaning internet channels seem to be portraying it. In that respect I think Jimmy Mac was speaking the most truth in this week's episode. And I'll just say for myself that if Star Wars being a somewhat lefty or liberal property is a problem, take it up with George Lucas, who was forged in the anti-Nixonian, anti-Vietnam War culture of the late 60s and early 70s. I don't think Kennedy has been a great steward of that legacy with her ham-fisted approach to management or storytelling, but just a reminder that it's a part of Star Wars' unique history, and to allow an actor as lackluster as Gina to tarnish it doesn't seem appropriate to me. The Mandalorian will carry on without her without much of a problem. Anyway, great work this week guys.

Jeff Ulicny

Just a thought, though I don't think they would do this, but if they really wanted to keep the character they probably have body scans on file and could CGI her onto another actor.

Commander Bly

Just finished up! Right outta the gate, I was very happy, impressed, and not all that surprised to hear Jason reference Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. Both have conducted in-depth forays into the social fabric of our society and shined light on the roots of our current state in the West. Overall, Jimmy & Jason, you did a fantastic job of addressing this complicated topic. This is truly one of your best podcasts just for that fact that it communicates a message of reasonable discourse that reaches far beyond our little community of Star Wars fandom. If the majority of modern Western culture could talk about a divisive topic as well as the two of you just did, what a wonderful world it would be?! Stay wizard, my friends! Loth-Tom in Erie

Sean W. from Warsaw

I agree with everyone's common consensus: RFR handled this with such class and nuance that it blows my mind. Thanks so much, guys, for keeping it so. It's why you guys are the best!

Sean W. from Warsaw

I think, as far as the image of this whole fiasco goes and the common discourse, the median ground comes down to this: It's murky at best, and dangerous at worst. Like Jason said, too many people are playing with too much fire. I had chills when he read that Lucasfilm told all affiliates and licensees, etc, to stay away from those who hold to a different opinion on this matter; that they were on "high alert." Willfully creating division by ostracizing those you find disagreeable is not the way to go, and makes for a VERY bad image of a company. Given that folks who are Jewish, like Ben Shapiro, can look at this and not only not be offended but hire her to make a movie for him, says alot to me about what's going on: Mob rule. Just like what Jason said: If that post of Gina's was ignored, would Lucasfilm or Disney have fired her? Not likely. This fiasco proves they will cow-tow to the mob. It's so unfortunate.... Jimmy, you make a fair point in your encouragement that, as fans, we can still stick through with Star Wars going forward while still holding them accountable. Like Jason said, we need to exercise a level of forgiveness that so many do not in this age--even to Lucasfilm who is sliding further down into that cesspit.... But man, it's TOUGH after this. Lucasfilm needs to be bigger than that. They represent something that's all about forgiveness and mercy and positive change (i.e. Star Wars), and they pull this stuff. The irony is not lost on me. So I will duly work at your encouragement, Jimmy--but damage has been done to my trust that was never done to this level for all the nonsense this new Lucasfilm administration has done prior. God forbid they actually replace Gina's face or whatnot.... That might actually be the final straw. For the first time in the history of RFR, I ended the show feeling truly, authentically unsettled. This does not bode well.... Thanks so much, Jimmy, for those words of encouragement to end the episode. I pray something good comes out of this....

Sean W. from Warsaw

I almost forgot to add this. I love both of you guys, but I think Jason made the best points here. In particular, one point he brought up was especially poignant to me, about what the worst thing that could happen being hurt feelings, etc. Jimmy, you raised the issue that Lucasfilm needs to implement policies in which employees should be punished for offending the fans or hurting their feelings, or something along those lines. That sounds good, but...feelings are largely subjective. What's offensive for one person isn't to another. So, I'm unclear as to what specific policies could even be implemented as to what qualifies as "offensive." That sounds incredibly dangerous to begin with. What specifics do you have in mind, Jimmy, to clarify on this point? I can totally see that employees should be punished for insulting or belittling people. But what kind of policies could be specific enough as to encompass "offensive speech," say, that would be in the context of the Gina Carano fiasco, especially?

James johnson
>>53959723

Imagine not having backbone enough to speak your mind. Imagine being an executive and not having the spine the stand up to the mob. And who exactly is she being selfish to? You? Because now your TV show is going to be different? She choose to speak her mind, like countless other celebrities.

Tyler Page

Hollywood Reporter did come out and change part of what they said. Correction stated that Gina Carano was “never engaged in negotiations for future work with LFL”

James johnson
>>53972220

Yes, except that's not at all what her tweet was. Both of you im sure are smart enough to understand what that tweet was saying. I think you are deciding to be intellectually dishonest because it fits your line of thinking. That tweet was simply stating the fact that Jews had to be demonized and turned into scapegoats first before something like the holocaust could happen. And compared the modern day political divisiveness to that same atmosphere. She did not compare republicans to Jews. What's the point of learning from history if we don't use hindsight to stop it from happening again.

James johnson
>>53982655

She said nothing wrong. Absolutely nothing was wrong or controversial at all. Her first and only mistake was that she offended the trans crowd. Once they decided they were going after her, her only hope was for her employer to stand up for her. Kathleen Kennedy bowed to the mob.

James johnson

I think what this comes down to was a pissing contest between Gina and Kennedy. Gina said something that angered the mob. Kennedy was getting the heat to fire her so she "warned" Gina. Gina literally being a fighter and not someone to back down to anyone, including a angry mob or her boss said screw off. After that it's pretty obvious that Kennedy was just waiting for something, anything to use as an excuse to drop the hammer. The fact that a press release had to be issued rather than her contract not being renewed is proof that Kennedy needed to not only prove she was appeasing the right people but also letting Gina know who was the boss. It's not like she was the star of a show and her disappearance would need to be explained. Her character could easily just never be brought up again and nobody would ever think twice. And as far as Jimmys question of was it worth it? Well, that's assuming that Gina puts her job before her principles. I think far to many people do that. Gina does have a platform and to her at least, the things she said were important to tell her fans. More important that a bit part on a show that we honestly don't even know what the future is.

David Fieldsend
>>53972220

We can have this discussion as Star Wars fans with civility, without name calling. Intellectually, I honestly believe her post was meant to get a reaction. There are many ways to urge people not to demonize someone for their beliefs. Posting a photo of a soon to be murdered woman and invoking comparisons to a time when millions of people were systematically killed seems, honestly, a rather extreme way of doing it, especially for someone who was asked by her bosses to tone it down on social media.

Jeremy Hopper

With all due respect, Jimmy asked if Gina thinks it was worth it to post her political hot takes, and many comments on the show talked about consequence culture, but is Pedro Pascal having to hide his thoughts, keep his mouth shut, and not make any political comments in order to maintain his gig? Does he have to keep quiet in the corner because he’s so lucky to have such a swell job? Let's remember that Kevin Spacey was given the same treatment for alleged abuse of underage boys. Look, it’s impossible to faithfully address this issue without looking at the content of the tweets, because arguably only one perspective is being silenced here. Some thing you talked about in the show was her feeling excited about getting the attention from her tweets and I think that was more likely is that she feels like she’s surrounded in Hollywood by people on the other side of the political spectrum who are allowed to and even applauded for posting and saying whatever they think and whatever they want. And as a strong independent woman (something Disney preaches, by the way) I think it's more likely she feels a responsibility to take the mantle of speaking up on the other side, and not being controlled by the fear which seems to ask everyone on her side to just sit in the corner and 'please shut up'. Everyone seems happy to say she earned this, but I don't see anyone saying the other actors in the Disneyverse have earned the right to be fired for voicing their political beliefs.

Jeremy Hopper
>>53972220

I would simply ask you to apply your thoughts balanced across all lines, and thus go take down Pedro Pascal for doing the same, if not arguably worse, but just on the other side.

Jeremy Hopper
>>53982655

The response to this should simply have been: Hey there's many of us who disagree with Gina, but there are others who agree. We make entertainment, it's not our job to comment on politics. And be done with it.

Jeremy Hopper
>>53996967

Ya, it's all subjective. And Gina didn't say that people should be put into a wood chipper.

Jeremy Hopper
>>53994301

I too for the first time feel unsettled. Not that I can't ignore this and still enjoy Star Wars, but the double standard treatment here makes anyone who leans conservative feel like they were just told 'you don't belong here - this is a fandom only for these people'

Jeremy Hopper
>>53998772

Ya, I agree. I don't think that Gina 'gets off' on making controversial posts. I think she sees herself as a strong independent woman who won't take crap from people, and she feels like people like her (beliefs) are being expected to sit quietly and not voice an opinion, while everyone else is encouraged to do so. So she said she's going to use her platform to share her perspective, JUST LIKE the actors on the Left do so all the time without punishment or fear

James johnson
>>53972220

Well, the only name I called you was smart. I do mean that. Your post proves that you are smart well thought out person not spewing the same tired cliches. I didn't mean to offend. I will agree the picture wasn't needed. But that still doesn't change the context of the message. And the message was not controversial. We live in an extremely hyperbolic world right now. There is very little nuance in any messages. Maybe it's not the way you would have communicated it, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Her views are hers, just like Pedros are his. The only reason she was warned was because the mob came after her.

Jared Cantor

I'd just add that Jason made a point I like a lot - just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Jared Cantor

I'd also add, to Jimmy's point that we as a society used to be 'tougher than that', that was also an era where many people - women, minorities, lbgtq, etc - felt harassed, oppressed, marginalized etc because the majority of society thought it was fine to say or do XYZ. So all I'm saying is that instead of saying people have become too sensitive and bleed to easily, another POV is that people are more understanding of how what they say and do affects others and empathetic to how it makes them feel.

Jeremy Bertz

Gina said Nazis are bad. Lucasfilm fired Gina 🤷

James johnson
>>54002711

We can have that understanding and by and large we do. However, again Gina never attacked anyone. She didn't call out the "libtards" or call any group of people names. She didn't feel it was needed to put pronouns in her bio and she pointed out that politicians are dirty. Not even any one particular politician. And when people get so up in arms about that, then yes, people used to be tougher. If me saying "beep, bop, boop" is an attack on you or makes anyone feel marginalized, then yes toughen up.

David Fieldsend
>>53972220

Jeremy, I'm not on social media, and I didn't know about any Gina Carano tweets prior to her getting fired. I have no idea what Pedro Pascal tweeted, or whatever. I think one thing everyone agrees is for Disney (or whoever are the decision makers here, Lucas Film, etc) to just have a consistent social media policy, rather than ad hoc. It's like Roger Goodell penalizing one NFL player for something while ignoring a similar infraction from a different player based solely on PR concerns. It doesn't make sense. But, continuing with the NFL analogy, if Roger Goodell tells Ndamukong Suh to tone it down with the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties or he'll get fined, and then Suh gets an unsportsmanlike the next game, he's going to get fined. And James, thanks for your compliment. I do see the kernel of what Gina was trying to communicate, and no, it's not how I would have communicated it. It wasn't nuanced; it was ham-fisted. Maybe she should have figured a way to say it more artfully. Or maybe she should just not tweet political messaging while being a co-star on one of the most watched streaming shows, a show that did so well in uniting Star Wars fans up until this point. Let's not get sucked into Palpatine's trap of being split up and fighting each other. That's how the Jedi Order fell! MTFBWY all!

David Fieldsend
>>53994301

Jeremy, I don't lean conservative, but I hope the fandom doesn't turn on each other. This was a poorly handled situation all around, but don't let that tear you away from Star Wars. I didn't like 'The Last Jedi's' handling of Luke Skywalker at all, but I still went to see 'Solo' the first day it came out (and was pleasantly surprised). There was a lot I didn't like about the prequels, but over time, and after diving into Clone Wars, they seem a lot better. There's a lot of good Star Wars to come.

Jeremy Hopper
>>53972220

Respectfully, Pedro made a very similar comparison of our country to Nazi Germany, and no one cared, because his attacked Trump. I'm not defending Trump or attacking him, I'm just saying the same thing happened the other way, to no issue.

Jeremy Hopper
>>53994301

I agree with what you're saying, and I'm not going to NOT try to follow these lines. However, there's a difference between not liking a story decision, and feeling like the entire franchise/company has decided to treat an entire sector of the populace with derision

Jeremy Hopper
>>54002711

The entire notion of tolerance in our culture has been appropriated and absorbed into an entire new idea of forced public agreement. In your particular example, the goal might have been: if someone wants to change genders, they should be allowed to express that in their own way and use whatever pronouns they want and not be attacked or discriminated against because of it, but you're allowed to think that's not a good choice or think it's silly or disagree publicly. And at the end of the day, tolerance says we respect each other's right to disagree, to think what we want, express it, and go about our business. But that's not where we are at now. Now, we are at a platform of you must agree, you must not disagree, you must not dissent, you must not challenge, you must not NOT be a public ally. It's a slippery slope, and it's all fine and dandy as long as you agree with the mob. Beware when you no longer do. And that's exactly the point of the post she made, which was used to fire her.

Bolder Boulder

First off, thanks for the good content you guys put out! You two are great, and made some good pints. I’ll be a little long winded, but please bear with me: People who are still employed at Lucasfilm have actually said incendiary statements towards fans and entire groups of people, but there seem to be no actual repercussions. It has been happening for YEARS, and not a peep from Kennedy and her crew. (As was pointed out in the cast) But, when one employee dares to think differently in the public square, she is viciously mobbed, fired and shamed publicly. I thought Star Wars was supposed to be for everyone? It is clear to me Star Wars is no longer for Star Wars fans. We didn’t see it during the Force Awakens, due to our rose tinted glasses, but, in hindsight, they had no interest in honoring the legacy of Lucas. I also wonder now if the rumors about the “Civil War” at Lucasfilm are true. As soon as the fans were starting to reunite behind the greatness of the Mandalorian, Star Wars Theory was attacked by Pablo Hidalgo, who has a past of attacking fans. But, that, ironically, helped us unite even more. We all stood behind Theory. But, then Kennedy’s crew took it another step further. This community can only take so much before people start dropping off. I’m very sad to say, I am one of those. I will always love Lucas’ Star Wars. There were a few things, like Rogue One, Rebels, the final season of Clone Wars and Mandalorian that are welcome additions to the story. (But, The Disney trilogy is not cannon, and no one will convince us fans otherwise). I just can’t bring myself to get hype about anything else Disney Star Wars. I, along with many have been hurt too many time to care anymore. I cancelled my Disney+ sub, and will no longer purchase any product that has to do with ANY of Disney’s IP. My emotional connection to anything else from Disney Star Wars has been severed. I will always go back to the OG 6 films for fun, but will no longer be paying any attention to future Lucasfilm projects. I’m usually a fairly quiet, pretty positive guy, but, I just don’t feel like taking it from Kennedy and her hires anymore. I still like the Star Wars community, and will have life long memories, but I’m calling it quits. Take care, all! Keep up the good work, RFR crew!!

w. greg simmons
>>54013626

I feel the same, my friend. I won't cheer for star wars to fail. I won't go out of my way to make convince fellow fans on my "certain point of view." That does not mean I have to spend my time and money on "new" star wars. Lucasfilm and Disney pay lip service to "diversity" yet they truly do not know the meaning (same goes for the angry mob). I'll always love and continue loving all the star wars content up to this point. Time will tell if I'll continue following anything new. It may be time i call it quits too. Even if it comes to that I'll stick with RFR to keep up to date. Jason and Jimmy have had a much bigger impact on helping me keep my fandom alive than lucasfilm or disney ever could.

Bolder Boulder

I don't want the franchise to crash and burn, I'd been a life long fan. I just don't see it being worth the time and monetary investment right now. Perhaps, one day, if things change, I might come back. But, for now, I'll move on to other things. If others enjoy what's coming out, cool! Go for it. It just isn't for me personally anymore.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>53998772

For sure. It sucks to have to point to the politics when we would rather not, but like Jason said there is blood on the hands of both sides and they need to be held accountable. No one gets special privileges.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>54013626

Dang man..... I can't say I blame you, though. I've been seriously considering it myself. I think, though, that what keeps me going, in part, is that I can still keep the story separate (mostly) from the storytellers (or, to be even more specific, the storytellers, like Filoni and Favreau, from the corporate big wigs)). I'm interested to see what the storytellers themselves have to say in the future; yet it's a shame they work for the corporate big wigs. If (God forbid) we here Filoni and Favreau ever go on record with the same garbage, that's another matter entirely. I also think there's some important stuff to be found in the spiritual aspects of Star Wars going forward and that can be analyzed in what came before, even the ST. All of this being said, though, it is, indeed, colored strongly by this current fiasco.... There is a point in which the corporate big wigs' philosophy does bleed off into the stories too much and blurs the line. Not sure yet if I've reached that point, but it's dangerously close, and It really breaks my heart. So I'm working hard at Jimmy's final words of encouragement, especially based in their own treatment by Lucasfilm. Not sure how those guys do it! Cahoneys, I guess!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>54015504

Yeah, a bit of a break can provide some refreshment, for sure. Might have to consider that, myself. We'll see how it goes in the following days or weeks, I guess.

Nick Whenham

Lucasfilm proved the point Gina was putting forth in the tweet very quickly.

Andrew Bullock

I legit felt some Jedi Master wisdom coming from both you in how you approached this. It really made me think and I appreciate that you changed my opinion on a few things by making great points.

James johnson
>>53997763

Because they are trying to spin both sides. "Hey mob, we fired her, are you happy now?" And also "Hey Gina fans, we didn't really fire her, she wasn't coming back anyway, see so still love us!"

Antonio from NJ
>>54030192

I'd have to respectfully disagree. No one beat her. No one dragged her in the streets. No one silenced her. Whatever point she was trying to make about the political discourse in our country was muddied by a half baked, ignorant comparison. But I'm just speaking from an academic pov. She was very likely fired for violating her code of conduct clause. Not because her opinions are problematic, but because she became a problem for their bottom line by doing so.

Antonio from NJ

Can we agree that there are truths and then there are facts?

Antonio from NJ
>>54005278

That isn't even remotely close to the problem here. Can you agree that no dragged her into the streets, beat her or silenced her?

Tyler Page
>>53997763

I ain’t barking up anyone’s tree but They never said they “fired” her the tabloids did. The statement from LFL was “Gina Carano is not currently employed at Lucasfilm”.

Adam Taylor

balanced and wise discussion as always guys. Number one forever and always ❤️

Jeremy Hopper
>>54005278

Judging by most people's gleeful responses to her firing, we aren't far from that being how people are treated and the official response being "well, THOSE type of people deserve it"

Jeremy Hopper
>>54030192

From an 'academic' POV, carefully re-examine the very astute point she made which was spot on. To say she implied the current treatment is the same is a ludicrous and elementary reading of an analogy. She specifically described HOW WE GET TO THAT POINT which is a lot of convincing people that a certain OTHER is less deserving. And judging by the gleeful responses to her firing and the media representation of anyone who is conservative as being completely devoid of humanity, the path toward that reality is already laid out before us. We have yet to see how it advances or doesn't, but her warning was speaking forth from history to keep your eyes open and be aware.

James johnson
>>53997763

Fair enough point. The term "fired" was not used. But the intent to let the world know she was no longer working at Lucasfilm was there and then to add their own judgment on her tweets was meant to show solidarity with the angry mob that called for to be fired. Remember the hashtag wasn't #dontrenewGinascontract. They wanted to make it clear WHY she was no longer working with LucasFilm

Tyler Page
>>53997763

Totally get there - just hard to see where the truth of it all is when all parties are bias. My key takeaway - LFL still doesn’t understand social media and their PR sucks!

Commander Bly
>>54049505

We should also remember that what we see as truth and fact is determined by our personal values system. Quite literally, it is possible for two people to interrupt opposite ideas as truth and fact.

Ryan Parker

I just came here to give kudos to Jimmy and Jason on what I felt was a great, nuanced, and balanced discussion on this hot button topic. I'll admit, I was a little trepidatious going into this one as it could easily have devolved into an emotional shouting match, especially considering RFR has been the target of Twitter rage at times, but I thought the guys handled it gracefully, respectfully, and intelligently.

Jeremy Hopper
>>54079132

I believe this was indeed mentioned. The problem is that the treatment appears to be biased

Dominique Garant

Good show guys . Well done. I agree with Jimmy that people need a social media class. Or at least a reminder that it’s an illusion : the illusion that our written opinion is important. That we are all self-important. Write now, I am writing this, why? Why do I feel it matters that i write this? Gina actually said that « now she is free to say what she wants and she can use her voice for good ». She’s an ex-mma and an actress. How did she get to this point to think people care what she has to say about politics? I’d listen to her comment a fight. But her views avec COVID? Hard pass.

Antonio from NJ
>>54049505

Apologies but that is the difference between a truth and fact. A truth falls in line with your sentiment that there can be many truths, all equal in weight. But a fact is not subject to opinion. A fact is just that. EG - a truth can be the yanks are the best baseball team ever.. while the fact is the yanks have won the most world series.

Commander Bly
>>54049505

I respectfully disagree. I’ll use a benign topic like say...election fraud. One might say Joe Biden is President of the United States. Another might say that is not a fact, because the election was fraudulent and reject that claim. To your Yankees point - Some might say they haven’t won the most, because they cheated. Hell, there are folks that will tell you the Earth is flat. To them, that’s not an opinion. It is a fact. In the end, I hope I haven’t offended you. I don’t know you, but you are a Patreon member of RFR. Obviously, we share some interests. I just want to be clear that my intention was not to “come at you”, as the kids say. ✌️

Antonio from NJ

Well I guess we just disagree, but that being said there is a difference between fact and truth. And conflating them is the problem. 2+2 = 4. It never equals 1. Ps - here is one we can agree on...it is a truth that star wars is the best and thats a fact.

Commander Bly
>>54097182

I agree with you about the existence and definition of truth & fact (and our shared appreciation of The Wars!). My point is that our values set greatly affects what each of us consider to be truth & fact. I like to take that into consideration before I rubber stamp people I disagree with as “wrong” and/or “foolish”. That said, some folks are just plain unreasonable. With them, I find it best to just walk away.

John Riley

Good listen, Jason and Jimmy. Trying to stay positive is the right approach. But the Ben Shapiro interview just dropped, which changes things. I think we can see that Lucasfilm has a toxic work environment for actors and creatives. Gina was a key actress for their upcoming show plans, so why no show of support (publicly or even privately) for Gina when SHE was the one bullied and canceled? Instead Lucasfilm seemed to steer the situation toward failure from the start, being more concerned about buffing a person's Twitter image to a few anonymous pests and jerks seeking thrills with a cancelation (which they got). Lucasfilm PR even lied in their account of her alleged sins, to further justify her firing. Gina's Cara Dune was far more important to fans than an online cancel-mob, and to me, Lucasfilm made a huge miscalculation. I understand Lucasfilm has tremendous power over their creatives, but they didn't NEED to wield that power, and wield it recklessly and to the detriment of their own content, to fans, and ultimately a woman's career. I hope this changes things. In Hollywood and across social media. Where we tolerate differences in opinion or style, refrain from willfully misrepresenting others to "get them in trouble with the teacher", and acknowledge that creatives are also individuals who don't need to be expected to speak with the same voice as their current employer.

Liotta Soda

Ben “Kenobi” Shapiro is the truth imo

Darrell Montgomery

I love the character of Cara Dune, but Gina Carano is a terrible​ actor. I have not liked her in this show at all, I hope they recast her.

Liotta Soda

Finally finished the Gina podcast. I agree with Jimmy Mac's idea on the social media policy. But like he stated it needs to be consistent. My personal opinion is that Hollywood and mainstream media is controlled by liberalism/the left and they will constantly make an example of anyone who has views that go against their agendas. They are even willing to sacrifice fans and money of the people they piss off by cancelling the opinion of the right/conservative. It's obvious that there's a double standard. It will never change even if you boycott them. They do not care. Hope they don't cancel RFR for trying to remain nuetral. On a side note, I grew up before the internet. So I've always perceived the internet as a fake reality where you could say what you want, as opposed to how most view it now as an extension of your in-person life. I'm old school I guess. Thugged out since Cub Scouts.

Jeremy Hopper
>>54138817

When I disagree with you, I just laugh and make it seem like you're an idiot. That way, I maintain superiority

Jeremy Hopper
>>54170570

As someone who has worked in Hollywood, I can tell you that they don't just arbitrarily want to go against conservatives. They literally think conservatives are evil, and that it's their grand moral prerogative to use their media influence and powers to educate and influence the masses, including children, and enlighten them to see the truth (aka - their almost always Leftist POV). There is no longer an appreciation for civil discourse or discussion. It's the exact same behavior that you can see at any university campus

Chris Curtin

Smashing show Jason and Jimmy really well balanced and I thought your use of analogies to help the listener see a different point of view really helped and really put hints into perspective. As someone living in thr UK I deffo came in with a different mindset. I didn't have the context of the midset in the country and what this means to you guys and also how it might offend or not! I just saw it as a silly thing to do and so deserved to be let go. You have changed my opinion a little and really made me question that. Thank you.

Brad Hunter

As I am listening to the show, I am hearing some very valid points from both sides of the argument. You guys have done a great job of discussing it with care and respect. I strongly agree with those who expressed their feelings of wanting to enjoy Star Wars as an escape from our own real world issues. It would be great to have that without personal politics or agendas. Having said that, it does seem more and more common in all areas of entertainment/ media for high profile people to use their platform to express those opinions. However, it seems that it may be acceptable for some to use it, but perhaps not others. My observation is that the manner in which many of those popular individuals is dealt with is inconsistent. Whether it be professional sports, Hollywood figures and yes Lucasfilm, there seems to be some inconsistencies in the decisions to address those personal messages. Gina's posts may be offensive and devisive to some people. Mark Hamill has been very open and expressive with his political opinions, which may also be offensive and devise to some people, but there has been no apparent mention of sanctions of him by Lucasfilm. If a standard is going to be set, it should be maintained across the board or the company/ organization itself is contributing to the devisiveness that it is trying to avoid.

Evan Flax
>>54170570

What about colin kaepernick getting fired ..nick cannon... they were not far right to my knowledge

Evan Flax
>>54088404

Do u not see she is building her brand making her name...this is business not political

Liotta Soda
>>54170570

Kapernick wasnt fired. He personally chose to become a free agent and not resign with SF. Nick Cannon was re-hired

Evan Flax
>>54248608

I think it mostly had to do actually with her support not necessarily of the former president but of the election being stolen or not fair I should say. And then the riot happened and an police officers / got hurt bad and died in it. Which was based on the premise that goes against an election that was deemed legal in the courts. And she is a public figure and I think Disney/lucas arts simply did not want to be associated with cops getting injured/ killed in such a brutal manner. She posted some stuff about the election being unfair or something. She did all this on purpose anyway she is just trying to build on her brand. She probably doesn't even compose her own stuff.

Jeremy Hopper
>>54170570

That's a funny correlation. CK is a hero of the media and The Left. Despite the fact that he's not a very good player, and the response to him directly has cost the NFL and other major sports TONS of money in lost revenue