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AHSOKA After Show: The First Two Episodes (Patreon)

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Ad-free AHSOKA! Only for RFR Insider+ Supporters and higher! 

Don't miss out on this epic moment for Star Wars fandom! Join us for Rebel Force Radio's AHSOKA After Show livestream, where we delve deep into the thrilling first two episodes of the latest live-action series from Lucasfilm. Prepare to dissect every lightsaber clash, uncover hidden Easter eggs, and explore the story that creator Dave Filoni is throwing down with us. Whether you're a die-hard Ahsoka fan or this is your first taste of Tano, this livestream is the place to be. Let's celebrate, analyze, and critique this new chapter of our beloved saga together.

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Kevin H

Can’t wait to listen!!!!

Kevin H

Was great to hear your reaction, Jimmy!!! My wife called your reaction when Sabin got impaled.

Travis Brooks

A lot of good insights and theories tonight. Good job to the guys and the callers. The live stream was a great read as well!

Justin Harrell

I felt a small disturbance from Chicago when Sabine was stabbed.

Bobby Lightner

Great After Show! I really enjoyed the first two episodes of Ashoka and can't wait to see where this goes!

Peter Beisser

I felt a lot like the guys during the course of the show last night. Wasn't impressed when I first thought about what I had seen. And gradually thought it was pretty good.

Sean W. from Warsaw

I haven't listened yet, but something tells me Jimmy's head was about ready to explode regarding Sabine's injury. Lol

Orange County Carlos
>>115952924

I saw the first few minutes when Jason mentioned it and jimmy’s facial reaction was gold lol. Didn’t see it fleshed out yet.

Ben P. Stein
>>115952924

You called it, Sean. It bothers me too; as Star Wars conventions go I do not believe this to be an overreaction! Jimmy correctly pointed out that the ability to recover from being impaled with a lightsaber essentially diminishes the weapon's power and mystique. I am annoyed at myself for involuntarily rationalizing it when I saw it (maybe medical technology has advanced since Episode I? maybe Palpatine developed the medical technology to heal impaled individuals during Episode II and III for his own purposes? :-)). I was asking myself if Filoni is just leaning into this trope now that it was established in previous Disney canon. Whatever the case, I stand with Jimmy on this one and believe that someday, somehow, the lightsaber will be restored as a truly powerful weapon once again :-)!

RobO from ChicagO

My first guess when Baylan said to Shin about what’s in it for them, “Power beyond our imagination” or whatever was access to the world between worlds.

Philip Ehlke

That opening in the secret map room was so great. Not the most perilous of puzzles, but talk about primo ASMR lol. I’m half joking but honestly so satisfying seeing those tactile sensory moments in that classic Indiana Jones way. 🤠 Also, there’s a little-known version of “May the Force be with you” that adds “and the saber pass through you.” It’s the Star Wars version of “break a leg”

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>116013112

I get the impression that Morgan, being quite possibly the last Nightsister survivor, has secret knowledge of the Force that she promised to share with him and his apprentice. The apprentice clearly is not in the know, though. The Nightsisters knew some weird stuff, after all. Power over death in some ways. It's interesting to see where this could be going. Personally, I don't see it as a mystery box approach at all. I think it makes sense to not reveal all your cards in the first couple episodes. But it feels more like just a good old fashioned mystery to me, instead of an over used JJ trope. I'm diggin' it!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>115952924

Funny enough, I was in the same boat as you! Not too long ago here in the forums I had posted my own thoughts about how Reva could have survived. Lol I actually held pretty firmly to that, and still do--but only up to a point now that I've seen the whole Sabine thing.... Unlike the RFR boys I never had a problem with Maul coming back the way he did. Filoni's explanation always made sense to me. But Sabine...? I don't know, man.... That's stretching it, to put it mildly. I would love to hear what Filoni would have to say on it myself, but as much as I hate to say it I'm not certain even he could tap dance around this one.... BUT I am open-minded. I can use my imagination a tad bit. For myself, having waited a day between seeing Part 1 and 2, I had time to process and think of where the story could go. I THOUGHT it was a great opportunity to see Ahsoka with some miraculous powers save Sabine's life at the beginning of Part 2. Maybe a callback to what we see of Rey and Kylo in TROS with her healing him (love it or hate it, that power is a part of the mythos now). Of course, nothing AT ALL happened with Sabine's wound. Not one explanation or anything. It's not the saber to the gut thing that's the problem for me so much as there being no explicit explanation (though the saber to the gut is a problem in and of itself, don't get me wrong). It's tough to accept for even a Force user to survive one (though I think it cam work); it's too incredible to believe a non-Force user like Sabine could at all, let alone recover so quickly. I can use my imagination to fill in the gap and say Ahsoka healed her...but at the end of the day, it's still all amiss because it's not even addressed. Hard to take it seriously, for sure....

Edging 4 Newey

Really enjoyed the conversation guys. One thing I’ll add for you to consider in your evaluation of how Ahsoka has presented thus far: this is now a Jedi mystic walking a solitary path; someone who knew nothing but the Jedi Order and the family therein (Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin), she experienced the trauma of war throughout her years as a child into adolescence then lost everything in one sudden unexpected event, then learns that the one person she was closest to, who she truly loved and trusted her entire life, became a mechanized genocidal terror completely lost in evil and cruelty and hatred. When we encounter her in Ahsoka, she’s maturing, becoming wiser, more reserved, perhaps a bit paranoid and cynical. Careful and measured though. Much has been written on the path of the Loner, especially about Miyamoto Musashi. It’s worth a read and resonates quite well with where we find Ahsoka in these first two episodes.

Luke

I felt the same. It’s not that Ahsoka has lost her witty sass. But consider all the comrades she’s lost….. stoic people are not always born that way but become it through experience

Martin Lampen

I enjoyed it. Much better on the second watch. The production design is excellent. Enjoyed the aftershow too.

Rebel Force Radio
>>116125359

This is fiction. Sure you can rationalize character evolution all you want, but we haven't seen her go thru the transition itself and that makes it harder to accept. Just like Luke in TLJ, it's become a trend with Star Wars these days is to have essential parts of the story happen off screen. Mystery Box storytelling at it's absolute worst. Sure people change, but without the proper context, you're left with nothing but questions and frustration. That being said, I'm all in and want to see it play out to it's completion. - JMac

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>116106804

My wife and I were discussing her character in similar terms right after the show dropped. Glad to see we're not the only ones who think this way! That specific kind of character is an archetype, for sure. Something that goes back a looooong ways. Thanks for keep everyone else informed, Jon! Need that kind of refresher from time to time. That being said, I didn't see her characterization a bit out of place. She reminds me a tad bit of how Luke was I'm ROTJ when not around close friends he could let loose with a little. Ahsoka doesn't necessarily need to be quipping like Anakin and Obi-wan in Clone Wars fashion. However, that being said we do see her having slightly more lighthearted moments with Hu-yang, probably in large part because she's known the droid all her life. Something tells me when she's around rhe right people she still lightens up a bit. But with Sabine she'll probably be more serious for some time due to the tensions between them.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>116125359

I thought we saw that transition pretty well with the end of Clone Wars, myself, Jimmy. That scene of her standing there with all those Clone Trooper helmets with her insignia on them told me an awful lot of what was going on with her at the end of that episode, and season. We see this reinforced more in the Tales of the Jedi episodes and certainly in Rebels. For her to be all chipper and such in her own series would be out of place given where we last saw her. Besides, we do see her warmth when she was with Luke a bit; and a little with Mando. I don't think she's a totally different character, myself. As for the "mystery box" thing, I don't see that myself, either. I guess for me, it's no more a mystery box approach than the original SW movie was with so much backstory we never got details on before the PT. Granted, Ahsoka is a far more detailed character at this point than Luke was at that point, but I'm referring more to the backstory of everything before ANH. We didn't know why Obi-wan was why he was; or in ESB why Yoda was the way he was; etc. They weren't the main characters, of course, but they still left a ton of intriguing questions worth answering in detail. I think that mystery made them much more interesting characters for a long time. Telling a story strictly from a linear standpoint is good, too, but it comes at a cost, too. Unlike with Obi-wan and Yoda in the OT before the PT came out, the linear story comes at the cost of taking away a chance for the audience to fill in the gaps and use their imagination. There are pros and cons to the mystery background approach. I guess, personally, I can have it either way. My point is, it's a common way of telling a story to just give the essential elements of a background, enough to move the story forward. I think it works. 😀

Sean W. from Warsaw

So my wife and I have an observation to make before the third episode drops tomorrow. Ahsoka herself said she's not a Jedi. Not only in this show but also in Rebels, when she duels Vader. If Ahsoka isn't a Jedi anymore...then why is she training Sabine to be one...? And why is she using terminology like "padawan"? My wife and I think she must be in denial or something. Anyone have any thoughts? It's very confusing.

David Mills
>>116235558

I agree, Sean. Also, one of the television ads states that a new Jedi is rising. Not sure if they are being direct and speaking of Ahsoka or just teasing us and leaving us to wonder.

The Jundland Monk
>>116106804

Exactly. Her relationship with Sabine has a lot of history with the added master-apprentice dynamic and all the tension that has yet to really be aired out. She’s known Hera within the context of the Rebellion and formed a decent relationship with her, but nothing like she had with Obi-Wan and Anakin, or possibly even Ezra (hopefully we get to see that play out!). I actually watched The Mandalorian episode “The Jedi” last night where she is introduced in this time period and it has heavy feudal Japan vibes. It’s like watching a movie about a rōnin. It’s all right there. Looking back on that episode now after watching the first two episodes of Ahsoka, I see just how intentional Dave was in the way she was portrayed. I’m really looking forward to seeing this all unfold. Very exciting times for all of us hardcore fans haha

Turtle Wars
>>116235558

I think they use the terminology loosely or even metaphorically to some degree, as it has been established that someone can be trained in the Jedi arts and not be a Jedi or have Force abilities (i.e. General Grievous). Or maybe she’s just confused about her identity and one day she identifies as a Jedi and other days just a Force user.

Sirc Michaels

Sorry to put this all here. I don’t have anywhere else to share this. This doesn’t seem like REBELS season 5 at all to me. The first 2 episodes felt like “here we’ll catch you up”. They even put them both together to ensure everyone was caught up moving forward. The plot of REBELS happened ages ago before the plot of this show. I’m far more interested in what is happening in the present plot than the history of Sabine and Ahsoka. I’ve seen enough Jedi master/apprentice gone wrong stories. Also, 100% agree with Jimmy on lightsabers. I knew when Sabine got hit that she would not die as I saw the previews so I was sorely disappointed by it. Maybe headshots are the thing, now. Gotta pierce them like a kabob.

Eric from Phoenix

Great discussion guys. Wish I could’ve stuck around for the whole show but appreciate Tyler making the comment about Huyang’s blinking. Was somewhat distracting and I had to pause and re-wind to make sure I was seeing what I thought I was seeing. Strange design choice if you ask me. Looking forward to the new episode tonight and watching the livestream tomorrow.

Eric from Phoenix
>>116125359

Don’t disagree with the thought process here Jim. They need to show and tell to complete the storytelling. I just appreciate the head canon on how to think about in absence of the show and tell. Hopefully we will get the character development we need and the characters deserve.

Luke
>>116125359

We see the transition in Tales of the Jedi and later in Rebels.

Alex White

Loved the callback to “A battle droid!?! We can do better than this!” Need to dig up that audio.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>116106804

It is, for sure! Like the RFR guys always say, nothing in these shows is by accident. It's all very intentional.

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>116235558

Hmm, very interesting, for sure. I've always wondered what she meant when she told Vader, "I'm no Jedi." It's been in my mind for all these years. If she's not a Jedi, then...why use the iconic weapon of one? That's almost like someone dressing like a samurai, sword and all, and saying they're not one. Why have all the trappings of one of you're really not a Jedi? One can use the Force and wield the weapons just as well, sure, but you're confusing people who don't know, right? What's the real purpose?