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LET VILLAINS DIE FOR F**K SAKE!!!

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Johnn

The biggest pussy award goes to.... ODA! YAAAYY~

its_sullay_man

I don’t wanna be that guy, But we can’t ignore the animation in that one scene with Chopper, Marco, and Queen. That was bad. That was REALLY bad.

LinkedHero

It makes sense with the 8 heads, but yeah it's still dumb

xebber

do you have eyes?

KingStation314

I was expecting this kind of reaction for Orochi!! Even tho its make sense!

its_sullay_man

Compare to the Art in the last scene with Luffy using Red Hawk. You can’t tell me it Marco didn’t look like Ed Edd and Eddy.

Tag

I dont know, i feel kinda glad that orochi didnt get such a quick and easy death. I really want him to suffer for the things he did. I get that kaido's the one that took his head, but tbh it wouldnt change the fact of his power being what it is no matter who took his head.

Zubayr

It’s true Oda needs to be better at killing off characters when you read/watch one piece you don’t know if they’re even dead for all we know Pedro might be alive

Razyel22

Wait, out of all the scenes you chose that one? Lmao

Johnn

Facts. Oda's credibility is low because of all his fake out death scenes.

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Zelos

Kanjuro should be dead lads

Lulu

Dude, stop. You have 0 clue what you're talking about. That was the best animated thing the entire episode. Way more fluid and WAY more frames than anything else, even the last scene with Luffy which was done by Naotoshi. Naotoshi's animation is 3 frames on repeat, not a fan.

rokitup

No it makes sense that orochi didnt die lol considering his fruit. would've been a plothole if he actually did

Lulu

Lol I heard people worried about the conquest of the sea attack being drawn out in the anime making Zoro's feat seem more insane than it already was and that's exactly what they did. Khan's reaction makes sense given the anime's adaptation of it. It's like he was blocking it for 20 seconds which is inconsistent to the very next scene where Kid says "Good job blocking it even for a moment" lol

Lulu

Fakeouts are the worst but he still kills off a decent amount of characters comparable to other shounens and he has a shitload of deaths if you count flashbacks which is where he doesn't hold back on telling emotional stories.

CREATE.ANT.DELETE

Ahh Khan looking back cautiously at doors, what a call back lol. And Rant on Bro, express yourself!! that Queen vs Marco animation was mad, even while queen was talking to chopper, like who animated that sequence?

Nash_Eugene

You're right about Orochi, when I first read Orochi being alive I got so mad too. Just trust oda, he never fails us at the end

Monkey D. Obama

I have a feeling he's saving major deaths for the final war

Mel

Chill daddy

M.

Zanarkand

when Orochi "died" in the manga, many people suspected that he would survive given his Hydra DF (having 8 heads).

MartiNReacTs

M hope you are tier1 Micheline chef else you should never shit on food being bad, hope you are Tarantino level director else you can't shit on any movie ever. This dumbass argument is wrong on so many ways... not to mention Khan is even correct here... this shit was dumb and even in manga when it happened, majority people weren't happy

Saleem Ali

It's not dumb. What's the point of a mythical fruit if it can't do this. Pretty sure the actual Japanese myth in real life was the same, it would survive after having his heads cut off

MartiNReacTs

also you paid 5Euro for this... do you not know Khan somehow? Like when he sees bullshit, he calls it bullshit... even though it doesn't happen that often

Saleem Ali

It makes sense though. What's the point of a mythical fruit if it can't do this. Pretty sure the actual Japanese myth in real life was the same, it would survive after having his heads cut off. Most people in the manga community didn't expect pt he was dead at all.

Saleem Ali

This wasn't even a proper fakeout, It's not dumb. What's the point of a mythical fruit if it can't do this. Pretty sure the actual Japanese myth in real life was the same, it would survive after having his heads cut off. Most people in the manga community knew he wasn't dead

Saleem Ali

Khan getting mad at the "fakeout death" that made the most sense is hilarious ☠️ Oda not utilising the true power of his devil fruit would be bad writing

MartiNReacTs

just because something makes sense, doesn't mean it's good writing

MartiNReacTs

WTF are you talking about??? That was not only highlight of the episode, but also good animated scene after like 5 episodes of slide shows

MartiNReacTs

I like than you aren't dick sucking Oda as much as majority of the community... when there is some bs you call it out!

Nash_Eugene

Yeah, you're right Saleem. Just like the Hydra of Greek mythology too.

Mel

bro don't put it on oda, your hype blinded you. You were way too excited in the orochi moment and then you did not think about it for one second, a character being beheaded in OP is super rarity, and then this happens to the character that happened to have 8 heads fruit? you can't blame oda on this, you just did not put one and one together and your followers are too kind they did not want to spoil anything for you even if it meant such a reaction

Smilee

Even oda can make bad decisions, not everything he writes makes sense

Ray

NGL im struggling to understand why Khan is reacting like this to a death which actually makes sense to be a fake out. He knows himself about the mythology this wasnt Oda being a pussy in this case. I understand for Pell but in this case Orochi being alive was cool. Because of how disappointed he was u can tell it ruined his mood for the rest of the episode

Ray

sometimes Toeis logic pisses me off cos why give Marco kicking Queen God animation and then the rooftop good animation. Wouldve been so much better swapped but cant complain

Saleem Ali

And this is good writing for keeping him alive. It would diminish the reputation of mythical devil fruits if Orochi stayed dead. He has 8 heads, and one get cut off but he's dead? Use your head, I mean your brain

Saleem Ali

Except this makes sense. A mythical fruit that gives you 8 heads?

Oden

The guys on his discord must give him knowledge about the legends that oda quotes his devil fruit from , like Orochi for example.

MartiNReacTs

he literally says in this reaction that he knows about it

Quique

People just can't seem to accept any sort of criticism towards Oda. Yes, it makes sense, that doesn't make it good. Doesn't mean Khan should like it either.

xebber

you dont know animation then

Razyel22

People keep saying “But it’s the devil fruit, it makes sense”. That’s not the issue. The issue is it completely ruins the beheading scene with Kaido. Oda has always had this problem with death fakeouts.

Johnn

??? Proper or not it's still a fakeout. It's stupid. Orochi does nothing to the plot. literally nothing. Yet oda goes this route with the whole, LoOk aT mE, I hAvE 8 HeAdS.

Smilee

I felt the same way about katakuri "letting" luffy win

Saleem Ali

It doesn't ruin the scene at all because that scene wasn't even that major. No one expected Orochi to die there because we already knew his fruit from before that beheading.

Mel

you can't read

Razyel22

"we already knew his fruit from before that beheading." This is exactly the point Khan and other people have complained about. It completely ruins scenes if you just know characters aren't going to die. There's a worse moment later in the arc, but to avoid spoilers I won't get into it.

Zesyph

People are so defensive of Oda. You know One Piece can be your favourite anime and you can still criticise it because nothing is perfect. Everyone keeps banging on about Orochi having 8 heads like Khan doesn't mention it in the reaction. There are other devil fruits that help you survive fatal blows like Khan said that's not the point. Kaido is a yonko and for a yonko to fail at killing even fodder characters diminishes their level of threat. These are meant to be the most powerful characters in all of one piece it's obvious why fake out deaths involving Kaido is more disappointing than Pound surviving in whole cake island. It does ruin the tension and suspense knowing that no one will really die in a war arc meant to be bigger than Marineford. Ace and Whitebeard's deaths elevated Marineford as well.

Mel

orochi fruit is 8 heads, he was beheaded. what other character that have DFs can be another example?

Saleem Ali

You rather Oda contradict the power system that he has built up rather than a character? Kaido is still threatening, this doesn't diminish it at all. Also Orochi isn't a fodder, he literally possesses a MYTHICAL ZOAN. He also kept his true powers a secret from Kaido, this makes perfect sense. If we have this cool 8 headed devil fruit who's myth shows that you have to cut all the heads off to kill him, and Orochi just dies from one beheading, that would be dumb. You're just a moron

Zesyph

Once again, it's not about the devil fruit the criticism is about Kaido's image of a powerful yonko diminishing with him failing to kill a low tier character like Orochi as it reduces the sense of danger and tension in the middle of a war. As well as Orochi dying from Kaido lying to him the same he lied to Oden being a perfect ending. But to answer your question, logia devil fruit users can be beheaded and not die as we've seen with Kizaru and others.

Saleem Ali

I'm not gonna be respectful with an idiot who can't comprehend good writing. Law and Luffy's stamina has got nothing to do with the power system, I'm talking about devil fruits. Their stamina has got to do with their WILLPOWER, which has been a thing in the series for a long time. Both Luffy and Law improved their power drastically, so it makes sense they can use their gear 4 and Room more often and more efficiently, Common sense. Kaido cut off his head with a normal blade because Orochi was clever enough to keep his true power hidden, this reflects his paranoid nature that has been shown throughout the entire arc. His cunning and paranoid personality resulted in him surviving, that makes more sense than the "oh he has deceives this person so this guy deceives him" that Khan has been talking about. Orochi never showed his true power to Kaido, anyone who doesn't know about his true power could chop off his head and he would still survive. Imagine introducing a main antagonist of the arc with a mythical Zoans who has 8 heads and his myth shows that you need to cut all heads to kill him. Then he dies from one beheading, that would contradict the mythology of his devil fruit and would be dumb. And no it wouldn't have been the perfect end, we see Orochi gets a swift painless death like that, how the hell is that perfect?

rokitup

It would diminish kaidos image if kaido knew about his devil fruit ability but since he didnt really know, its fine. Its not like kaido struggled to defeat him or anything, he just thought of orochi as a bug. Would be a plothole if orochi actually did die given that we know his devil fruit ability specifically gives him more lives

Zesyph

Kaido should be competent enough to ensure his enemy is actually dead. I'm sure he's fought logia users who can be beheaded and survive. If this was not a yonko I wouldn't care but yonkos are literally the strongest characters in the verse, failing to confirm a kill of a low tier character like Orochi just gives a bad image to the stature of the Yonkos and reduces tension in a war arc if nobody dies at all

GS

All of that is true, but at the end of the day, Oda has a specific vision of about where Kaido's priorities are, what it means to be a Yonko, and how Orochi should be handled. If you are caught up with the manga, then you know what I'm talking about. I would love to go into detail but we can't really have that discussion here.

rokitup

Bro just because they're the yonkous dont mean they're flawless. like do u remember when kaido got drunk af and start destroying the town n then fighting luffy? Or what about when big mom went crazy over a fucking cake? If they can be that immature it makes more than enough sense that he wouldnt expect someones head who he just fucking cut off clean to come back to life. i really doubt that even the most competent leader could've foreseen orochi having 8 fucking lives. This isnt that easy to expect, especially when u think orochis just a useless leader without any abilties.

Hamza

I don't exactly agree. I can understand in this instance with Orochi's Devil Fruit without being defensive of Oda. For instance, I'll criticize him for what he did with Pell, which did not make sense at all.

Saleem Ali

Oh wow. You seriously just spoiled the arc later in the patreon comments of Khan? Even though he doesn't read, he might check, there are also anime only who watch it with him. Proven correct you really are a dumb fucking retard idiot LMFAO. I'm not gonna reply to the spoiler comments you mentioned obviously. But I'll reply to the non Spoilers. Yeah Law did say that his stamina in Dressrosa is being used, that's why he has significantly increased his stamina in Wano from then. Both Luffy and Law improved their stamina and how much they can use their devil fruits. There's a reason why Luffy could go into Gear 4 more casually in Wano then in Dressrosa, such as when he went gear 4 against the number where Drake helped him. Of course lack of reading comprehension, there is no surprise

Saleem Ali

Don't bother with this guy. This idiot spoils the manga in the comments. How pathetic

Saleem Ali

How does it ruin the scene when it's not ruined to begin with? It's not surprising he'll come back because of his fruit

Shockzz1234

How tf would Kaido know if he's dead or not, explain it to me. He doesn't know Orochi's DF ability of having 8 lives. And he can see that Orochi isn't a Logia. Using this knowledge, why the hell would he think Orochi is still alive after literally having his head chopped off? Lol. And you keep saying stuff like it diminishes Kaido as a Yonko 1. Yonko are not flawless, Big Mom has shown us that plenty of times, and 2. You severely underestimate Orochi and how smart he is. And i bet one of the reasons for this is their appearances. Orochi looks goofy so he must be dumb and Kaido looks cool so he must be flawless right? No lol. You're right in general about people defending Oda too much, but on this occasion both you and Khan take a fat L tbh.

Zesyph

Fair enough. I can understand your viewpoint. But you are dismissing the character writing and him living adds nothing to the story. He is literally a waste of space. This is not limited to Orochi btw, Yonko failing to kill any of the good guys in a war arc does weaken their image considering this arc is being compare to Marineford. If Kaido can't confirm his kill and double check than just leaving a beheaded body lying it does ruin his powerful image for me. Also it could have been a stab to the heart but it was beheading on purpose ofc by Oda to use it as an excuse for him living. Unless he can survive through other fatal blows like stab wounds because he has 8 heads/lives? Happy to be proven wrong.

Saleem Ali

Lmfao I thought you were "gonna leave it there". You're so predictable, small brain. Literally I never heard anyone say that Law using Room and Luffy using gear 4 in Dressrosa was an asspull. One Piece characters generally have a lot of stamina they can fight for long periods. You except Law to use Room like 5 times? That's way too harsh for his power. Law used it multiple times because he has a lot of stamina and before his fight with Donflamingo on the roof, he had rest when he was being carried by Luffy so he built up his stamina then. Luffy only used gear 4 twice in Dressrosa. So it is not an asspull that they have a lot of stamina and can use their moves a lot of times, even more in Wano. You're still a moron for putting spoilers in the comments, some anime only would still read comments.

Ray

stop being stupid being a Yonko doesnt mean you're paranoid about everything in general beheading someone means they are dead. That does absolutely nothing for his image or the yonko title. Im guessin u r tryna dickride Khan but his point was how it narratively made sense for kaido to kill him cos of how he betrayed someone who always betrayed others

Saleem Ali

I can't believe you're making excuses for putting in spoilers. You're pathetic. All I'm saying is that both Luffy and Law have a lot of stamina to begin with so it makes sense they can use their fruits a lot. Well Law did have rest, how is that headcannon? It's basic biology you dumb fucking retard. Even on Roof Piece, Luffy told Zoro he was going to rest so you handle it. Yeah people complain when Oda does something dumb, but Law using his fruit because he has a lot of stamina and willpower (both do not contradict at all), I never heard someone complain about for good reasons. It's just you,  because you're a nitpicking idiot.

Saleem Ali

King of Lightning is a biased fool when it comes to powerscaling. Of course I knew you'd mention him, no surprise you suck his dick and take his dumb takes as facts. Law and Luffy have a lot of stamina... That's a perfect good reason why they can use their fruits a lot. And I'm not trying to measure how much stamina Law recovered when resting, I just know he recovered a lot of stamina regardless. Ace and Jinbei fought for 5 days. Akainu and Aokiji fought for 10. Luffy fought Katakuri for like 12 hours. Law constantly fought in Dressrosa while helping others. One Piece characters have a lot of stamina, you're a dumbass if you think Law should use Room like 7 times. You're just an idiot who nitpicks stupid shit and can't comprehend anything

Sulaiman Saadoun

Only thing I don't understand is that he got mad at oda on a fake out death that made the most sense

MartiNReacTs

just because it makes sense and you can explain it, doesn't mean it's good writing.

MartiNReacTs

yeah... Kaido looks like shit in Wano so far... how many attacks he launched so far? 0 casualities...

Jajoe

Yes, it is just plain stupid. For one of the strongest guys in the verse, who was with that person together for over a decade, knowing about his Devil Fruit, getting siked is just plain silly. Things like this is why people say the Yonko are a joke. Basically a nuke failing to kill a bug point blank.

Jackx

what...bruh it doesnt diminish a yonko status if kaido didnt know the df could do that..like what? how would his image diminish if he just didnt know the fruit could do that like wtf.. It seems like something that You're looking into way to deeply.

Jackx

bruh he just didn't give a shit, he viewed Orochi as a bug as soon as he was done using him. Why would someone with a personality like Kaido care if a bug survived if they can do absolutely nothing to him in the first place like whut..? Kaido is a cocky battle junky and doesn't take shit seriously unless someone interferes directly with his plans, or can hurt or go 1 on 1 with him. If his personality is like that he doesn't need to confirm shit from a bug like Orochi. Plus that was the first time Orochi got beheaded in like..EVER. Of course he aint gonna know shit about the other 8. Yes Orochi is a waste of space but he has 8 more heads thats why he came back makes total sense to me.

Saleem Ali

Whybare you invoking god in an argument about an anime/manga? So weird. Well that just proves that you're wrong and lack any reading comprehension. Just drop One Piece, and stick to more childish series like Pokémon or something