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Latest Patch Notes> Explained (Patreon)

Published:
2018-12-11 16:23:05
Edited:
2018-12-11 16:23:32
Imported:
2026-06

Content

Dear everyone,Our latest Patch Notes announced news, which seemed to cause a situation of stress for some of you. We believe it’s right to settle this together.

Our game design team is working hard on providing features and excitement for our players. They’re constantly brainstorming on ideas and possibilities, all connected to what our players request from us. The latest Pachinko “change” is actually - A/ Something that was requested by our community, B/ Experiment. 

Why A?The change is providing a chance to each player to obtain first the event girls. This was requested a lot of times from our active players, who thought it’s unfair to obtain normal girls prior to event ones. So, we worked on that.

Why B?Yes. This is an experiment, yet it’s bringing more than event girls: it will bring more rewards in Pachinko and good chances. The chances for girls are going to be more than %22,5. 

All in all, we’re not going to make changes that will discourage our players, or effect on their positive engagement in the game. Never. The Haremverse is all about obtaining and satisfying the most beautiful girls. We’d like to keep it that way. If you have any doubts about our intentions, please don’t. We’re going to analyze all the data we could possibly get from this experiment, we’re going to analyze each players’ feedback, we’re going to do calculations and decide how to proceed. Please, continue giving feedback to us.Thank you,

Kinkoid

Comments

Richard Damoncord

So will the Event girls still show up in the 10x Epic Pachinko pool or will those of us who have cleaned it out have to go to the random chance of getting them?

HI

We have to face the random chance too. Thus my suggestion below.

HI

Thanks for clarifying this, it doesn't look that bad now. I can absolutely accept a higher price than permanent Epic pachinko girls, that's just normal (something for something). However, still unfair to those who paid the most, and cleared the whole Epic pachinko to secure the event girls. We did what most did not: pay a lot for this to happen. So I think it would be fair and very welcome to make it so, that event girls also appear in Epic Pachinko, but only in case it has no permanent girls left. This assures the highest paying players won't lose compared to the others. (Still providing them the riskier chance to go for the event pachinko if they wanna try their luck or they like the alternate rewards there better.)

Joe Smith

Indeed. This change is a giant slap to the face targeted directly at your most loyal customers, namely those of us who have spent thousands of dollars to clear the Epic pachinko of all girls. Additionally you don't seem to understand that literally nobody asked for a seperate event pachinko that is entirely governed by RNG, which is the reason why everyone is acting so outraged on the forum. Spending huge amounts of kobans with the very real possibility of getting no girls, will feel absolutely horribly, which is exactly the opposite of your statement that you don't want to make changes that discourages players or effects their postive engagement in the game.

Richard Damoncord

I can see charging more for one that has an increased drop rate, like has been said 24%, but don't take the event girls off the 100% one.

BananaJoy

1. why remove them from the ep. i can live with it if the event pachinko would be an additional obtion but with only 22,5% its cost 3600 more now. i have cleared the whole pachinko and i dont understand why u punished us? we paid alot for that and i dont think its unfair if ppl have a less chance to get event girls in the ep who didnt clear it. they just need to do the same as we did. 2. increase the chance to 25% that r 4 rolls = 7200. with that i could live but 5 rolls = 9000 its a too high price for only one girl. i get a legendary girl which is much more usefull for about the same price if i am really unlucky.

Habi

basically banjy already said everything. let me add that his numbers are really the whole average over all eventchinko spins. i consider myself the unlucky one regarding gambling and for me it will definitely be more than 5 spins on average to get an event girl which will make the whole thing REALLY frustrating! also: please explain further how other items do affect drop rates. would it make a difference to buy all cosmetics in advance? or will the droprate for a girl stay the same no matter what? my suggestion would be to a) remove the gifts completely from the drop table and b) let there be a fixed amount of 6 equipment pieces (1 for each slot). so then after buying all cosmetics from the profile page we would have a maximum of 9 rolls for 6 equipments and 3 girls which would mean no cost increase (apart from the need to buy all cosmetics) another thing: conduct tests on the test server, don't remove functionality from your live playerbase

Habi

let me add one thing: my reasoning behind becoming patreon was to get all girls available WITHOUT rng but at a fixed cost. that was also the reason i upgraded to $200 because i realized that even at $100 i couldn't get all girls. so if you take that away then i'll be gone from here. (i can only speak for myself but i wouldn't be surprised if i'm not the only one who thinks like that)

Cronosus

i like this ide with separated event pachinko :)

HI

Agreed. The $200 tier should absolutely be a "full access" tier, meaning for that price you should get all new girls a month plus a few old ones at least. So for $200, we should definitely progress ahead every month, not fall behind. I agree that this is the minimum requirement for the $200 tier on player side. (Normally, $100 should have been enough for just the new ones - common sense - , but if enough players are paying $200, than it's OK; interest sets the prizes...)

hentaiheroes

The current pachinko system was created more than 2 years ago and was perfectly fitting for that period of the game. Since then we have introduced a lot of new features: regular events, revivals and others. We also started adding - Permanent Pachinko girls to make sure that you can collect as many girls as you can dream of. As the Pachinko was working as intended, we were reluctant to change it. Yet, as the year was going by, voices inside the community raised some concerns about this subject. We were aware too that the more girls we were adding to the Pachinko, the less appealing it was during events, especially for new players. The Event Pachinko we presented in the Patch Notes is the natural way to resolve the situation.. Our goal is to make the events even more special, while keeping the Pachinko available to players, both F2P and paying ones. A version that guarantees a girl will cost the player way too much kobans so we quickly dropped that idea. The version that we finalized is a good balance between a high chance to get a girl and an affordable price for all active players.

OhLongJohnson

I kinda think people need to get uesd to the idea of not having guarantee in pachinko. We already have to deal with RNG with the boss drops and people play the game still. I think what I am trying to say is, that people generally are afraid of changes. But I think making it four games per spin was a great idea. And I fully support the new pachinko system. :)

HI

No, the problem is, people already got used to h-games changing from fair sales to raffles. Raffles as rewards are actually forbidden on Patreon, not hard to see why. Nobody is afraid of changes, but players who pay a lot just have been kicked in the ass. The prices for them raised to 1,5 times the usual, in the average case, but they could possibly pay a lot for nothing in the end. (And out of the 4 spins, only 1 can be a girl, so it's only 1 real spin.) RNG on bosses is totally different, since boss girls can be absolutely free too, and they don't take 900 kobans most of the time, even if you pay for the fights.

HI

So to clarify things, and answer Kinkoid: There is no problem with the new Pachinko, the problem is the change of the old one. You practically took away what we have paid a lot for: a guarantee for event girls through buying out everything else. You're writing "A version that guarantees a girl will cost the player way too much", but this version costs at least 1,5 times more than the old guaranteed 10x pachinko. Still, there is no problem with this, if you leave us our former option too. Especially, that your most dedicated and most paying players already swallowed buying some girls they didn't like, just to reach the event girls. And buying them all really costs a lot. F2P players can be the winners of the event pachinko, esp. in some cases of big luck. But in the long run, those who spend lots of kobans, will have to pay at least 1,5 times as much, have some extremely frustrating and expensive (unfair) times, and never know when they will get the girl they pay for (if they will). This is a serious issue for the big spenders. Serious enough to reconsider paying at all, and we see that it already forced some back to $3 monthly instead of hundreds of dollars. This is switching to an unfair model from an already overpriced, but fair one. With the best intentions, but raw honesty: we don't need excuses, we need action. We need fairness. Just like you don't need promises of payments from us, you need our money, with a 100% chance. It's very simple to solve this, stop players from leaving or withholding money and regain trust: you just need to give the old option back (not even fully: it's enough for event girls to appear in the epic pachinko only if all perma girls are cleared -- this would not only keep the big spenders happy but also motivate others to clear all perma girls too). The game has come to a very important point: player trust is at stake. Many similar games have fallen after a period of big popularity and lots of income, because their raffles burnt out players, and people had enough of that. Your game is one of the few on Nutaku, which has already been successful for a long time. Partly, this is thanks to a better model than what your rivals offered. And you have earned serious player trust during this time. Please don't destroy it by increasing greed and looking for excuses for it. Serving players' interest is only believable if your actions don't strictly hurt your paying playerbase. Big spenders only lost on this. (What price is "affordable" is decided by players, not the sellers. And we'll see how they decide. Basically, you were selling 3-5 pictures and 4-6 models for ~$35 this far, with the new pachinko, it's $52,5. High quality hentai comics with ~200 pages cost ~$10 digitally. Just to note.)

Habi

but to fight a troll you don't need to spend kobans. or at least way less if you want to fight more often. it's a "free" gamble and not comparable. i stand to my words, if nothing is changed i'll quit my patronship. i will wait a while (probably until january) but i'm already REALLY disappointed that i won't get the 6 revival pachinko only girls this month. (NO i WON'T waste a single koban on gambling. my test server experience clearly screams "keep your hands away from me!") there are already plenty of solutions out there (stated as ideas from others) that would solve the problem for us patrons and other high spenders.

Habi

so i was wondering: what about special events like anniversary or any other events with a huge amount of previous girls available again? will they all be moved to event pachinko or will they be available in epic pachinko?

Aku Yurei

The new system might also have one other serious effect and that is the equipment that it grants. Since these pieces stats are set with certain elements it is possible that this could eventually become detrimental to pvp as it takes away the randomness of getting same element armor. If the armors shuffle from event to event this effect would theoretically become even more pronounced as it would become very likely to have many players with easy access to mono element builds. Perhaps others have seen different results but I have noticed that due to the high attack and hp values single element seem to have a clear advantage in battle. Granted each individual piece has a bit of rng with the actual value but I would miss the secondary 'armor farming' that occurred when going after event girls.

Nathan taffijn

I have no harem members in epic pachinko but i continue to do single spin epic pachinko because it is better no epic pachinko with no girls due to getting epic items in epic pachinko with no girls still. Epic pachinko with no harem members with no harem members needs to have a better deal such as removing the affection gifts and just giving us equipment items or players will just do event pachinko and wait a year with no event girls to go in there because it seems that people have been getting better luck at equipment items in there. I was one of the people that kept on posting on discord/forums that event girls should drop before epic pachino/villain harem members as well if that was done then it could have been a lot faster because the same thing happened in the music event.

hentaiheroes

All of your feedback are taken into an account. Our game design team will answer shortly, here, as a comment.

BananaJoy

Especially for the right side. these gears r always hard to get. if they would consider akus idea i could live with the higher price for girls. already spent 100-200k kobans only for farming gear. and mostly get disappointed not getting them. another thing. remove the gifts from the evp. these are not really rare cause u can buy them from the market all the time and dont value similar with legendary gear.

hentaiheroes

Our game design fully understands your concerns and they will continue working on making the game better. The primary equipment is too overpowered, that makes the single items not so effective, but this will change soon. The gifts may not be unique for this event, but are a good reward, and essential for the girls. If you have specific questions, please let us know in the Patreon Hub meeting.

BananaJoy

gifts r no good reward at all and there r better sorces to get them anyways. thats why we asked to remove them. for the same price we get gifts in the ep/evp we could get several market refresh and a higher value of affection points than doing pachinko. so there is no way these r equal with legendary gear