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I have a complicated relationship with SDA. To be clear: I have immense respect for Kerstyn’s performance - her voice acting is top-tier. This isn't a matter of Kerstyn :)

As a player.......

For a while it is great. You can play SDA definitely for years like I did.

After 5k hours wIth SDA installed I found my playthrough's more about Serana then Skyrim itself which gets repetitive over time. I wouldn't try new spouses and stuff and then realized my Skyrim Gaming became complacent. Then my analyst brain started looking at "how can I make this better" it took a while before having a realization of I could probably just make my own.

I honestly started Ithelia as a teletaxi to fast forward through the Dawnguard Questline >.>;

But as a data analyst by trade, I cannot ignore what the raw data reveals about the mod itself.

1. The Reality of Technical Bloat

The "bloat" in this mod isn’t a feeling; it’s a statistical reality. The naming system alone consumes 1,082 lines. While it’s a flashy novelty, it creates a massive technical footprint for very little functional gain. Furthermore, the MoreDialogue quest contains 1,194 lines of bespoke backstories for specific Patrons. Unless your character is named "Bjorn" or belongs to the "Storm-Child" lineage, these lines provide zero immersion for the average player.

2. Imbalanced Content Distribution

In a mod of this scale, you expect a companion who feels present in the world. Instead, Serana is surprisingly quiet. She only has roughly 255 idle lines, many of which are locked behind Patreon requests. This lack of environmental chatter makes her feel absent in critical areas like the Soul Cairn, where I’m constantly losing her because there’s no "audio beacon" to track her by.

3. The "Waifu" Pivot vs. Lore Accuracy

The creative focus has shifted heavily toward the "Chaotic Good Waifu" archetype, with nearly 600 lines dedicated strictly to romance. For those of us who play the Volkihar side, we’re left in the dark. There is virtually no content for players who want to embrace a darker, traditional vampire path. The very heart of the character's gothic roots.

4. The Commercialization Gap

Coming from a professional radio background, I see a direct parallel to the music industry: sometimes a performer starts chasing the check and loses the "heart" of the music. What began as a passionate fan project has transformed into a commercial product that no longer feels like it’s for everyone.

5. Personal Investment & Technical Debt

On a personal level, I’ve invested $1,600 into SDA because I believe in supporting high-quality voice talent. The story was I started as Serana Hero II tier. I talked to him about the Birthday patch using my Patreon contribution and as a thank you for doing so I donated 10x the amount. I also covered the edits for the patreon community by donating an additional $500 to support the voicing.Things we agreed upon were a few thematic Hellsing Abridged references for the "Alucard" name as well as expand the sweets patch where she can give the player a cake and sing "Happy Birthday." I am very community focused. To have that ball dropped, and then be told "pay more" after a four-figure investment. It is a tough pill to swallow, especially knowing the talent likely saw less than $50 of that total. To make matters worse, he almost forgot when he released the lines. I am like. Update your spreadsheet dude!

When he needed help with the 4.2 release, my friend Caitly stepped up to assist. I never expected him to shortchange her efforts, let alone delegate high-paying Patreon requests that deserved his direct attention. That is the exact moment a passion project stops being a hobby and just becomes a bad business.

Edit: Martimius read this. I will revise when he makes the Happy Birthday Patch for the community.

Note: My team and I did take care of Caitly in the end.

6. Conclusion

The data paints a clear picture: this is a project that has prioritized monetization and specific tropes over a balanced, bug-free experience for the wider community. It is a classic case of financial success overriding creative passion, and while the numbers speak for themselves, the long-term experience is what truly suffers.

Should you try it? Absolutely!

Ultimately, I hope the project finds its way back to its roots. Modding should be a labor of love and a hobby of passion. Not a corporate obligation or a business where the community is secondary to the bottom line.

It’s my hope that Marty remembers the "heart" that started this journey in the first place. It is that heart that attracted fans.

Always remember, "People Before Profits" and you will never go wrong.

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Comments

Tyrthemis

I didn’t consider all that, very interesting. And it’s funny because I didn’t even know SDA had a naming system. I only just started using Ashe and had her call me by my IRL name for a change because Tyrthemis obviously wasn’t going to be in there. It was a neat gimmick, but I can definitely see why it would weigh a mod down unnecessarily. I have to agree with you that the mods bulk should focus on immersive dialogue in the moment (locations but also quests) and less repetition in idle dialogues. While quest dialogues are important, I can see how some might even see them as excess weight because she will likely say the line ONCE, but I think they are some of the most immersive lines you can have. I definitely appreciate the chaotic good stuff myself as I rarely ever play the bad guy, but I can see how players doing a “different” playthrough would feel left out. Anyways, I appreciate that write up!

Seem

Honestly, I really like SDA. It adds a depth to Serana's character that wasn't there in the vanilla game. The fact that she interacts with other followers and NPCs makes it one of the best mods out there. Serana deserved a little more love from Bethesda. The same goes for Frea, which I also solved with your mod.

manissobinha 12

I think that what you say makes sense, in my case i do prefer serana original personality tough, martimius version is fun, but feels too much for a regular playtrough for me, Ashe is more fun, i agree that the romance being frontline does affect a bit, as her interaction with vigilant has been delayed time and time again. And i would argue it woul be better if martimius would focus more on Ashe instead of already going to make Aela, and this is another can of worms, as i think some characters already have enough love, like most fde ones, so having yet another Aela, when his version and other people versions could be a original character to me feels like a waste. When there's lot of other characters underutilized on vanilla.

Arcanyx Studios

Absolutely! I know some folks have asked and I don't like saying it 50 times. Love Kerstyn and I fully support good player builds but there is a lot of stuff that hasn't been fixed in forever and I want a more community Serana. Its why I am making Sinister Serana not just for the Volkihar but the good aligned characters as well. After all, who doesn't want to redeem someone that has not seen the path of the light.

Arcanyx Studios

Thank you! I hope that SInister Serana will make you fall more in love with Serana. I have used SDA since it first came out and was always a huge fan.

Arcanyx Studios

He should focus on what he loves more than the money. If he does that it will alleviate his stress. He is a good guy but he is trying to look at it as a business than a hobby. I hope that he remembers the reason he became a modder was because of his love of the game. That is what attracted all ofhis patreon support.

Arcanyx Studios

Added this :) WIth SDA installed I found my playthrough's more about Serana then Skyrim itself which gets repetitive over time. I wouldn't try new spouses and stuff and then realized my Skyrim Gaming became complacent. Then my analyst brain started looking at "how can I make this better" it took a while before having a realization of I could probably just make my own.

Helen T.

I liked SDA- when it was newer. Not so much now. Mostly, because i like to Roleplay. Not as a romantic- but as a dragon. It seemed like there was lot of chatter for he being 'a vampire, but just like you mortals'. And I"m thinking- ok. So when do i get to talk to you about my own issues. particularly the 'I am a dragon. No, that's not a joke". The thing that drew my character to Serana- not me, not the player, but Talathar the ancient Atmoran Dovahkin, youngest and last of the minute-menders- Talathar adopted Serana as a sister because they were out of place in the same way. Fellow aliens. Talathar didn't side with the Volkihar, but not due to being chaotic good. Entirely because "You speak of Maferaak. Of eternity. All that Molog Baal has done is spreed this puny joor beyond his time. The forest does not command the storm. And Joor stretched beyond his time does not command DOVAH!" ...I put a lot of thought into that character. From a name that translates out of dragon into Pack-magic-servitor (Only wields conjuration magic), to taking on Meridia's quest because 'you're a relative I respect a bit, but you also ran out on us with Magnus back in the Dawn Era and I"m still mad over that... Every choice has to be Roleplay suited. I was looking forward to talking, dragon to vampire. And instead i get- blandness, and constant nagging to go visit a tavern so they can relax and chatter about things the dragon isn't interested in. And complaints about carrying Auriel's bow- things i can't respond to with "It's my Father's bow. I will bear it as long as He is pleased to permit me." And the Serana of SDA? She's not a fellow ancient creature worthy of respect anymore. She's mundane. She's not someone Talathar - out of place, careful to be law abiding in a jarl's hold because i'm not inclined to challenge him for dominion over it, aloof and estranged from mortal affairs, very much aware of being a lesser Aedra on business- not someone that person would choose to spend time with.

Arcanyx Studios

I love it!!!! If you wish to learn dialogue modding so you can make your own personal Serana I can show you :) It is really easy. Like i tell everyone I don't mind doing lines. Elevenlab lines I can do for free but VA stuff gotta send to the VA alas. :) I do dumb mods for friends all the time and can get that done for you easy peezy lemon squeezy.

Marios Kalogeropoulos

SDA should be written for another character, preferably 3rd party. Doesn't fit serana, nor Skyrim's style at all, and just piggybacks on the name.

Arcanyx Studios

True! I am trying SDE for the first time with the Sinister Serana voice so I can get inspiration and get a refreshed environment.

Argo The Ratfolk

Interesting perspective! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and explaining your reasoning a bit. I hadn't encountered much of the bloat yet as you say, but then in all fairness I keep starting over my play throughs so much I never even finished all of the current content yet. I do agree that the custom naming and lines feature is nice to have but I'd also would have preferred if more effort had instead gone into more idle /reactionary comments. I also recall having some issues with the lines I had requested for a certain character name, but it is what it is. And I don't blame Kerstyn or anything for that of course! But yeah, thank you for sharing!

Arcanyx Studios

No problemo! We have the Kerstyn Dialogue Expansions - Serana which will help treat the idles :) We do community content here :)

NightVoice 87

I personally enjoyed SDA when I played around the 2021-2023 timeline. I likely would've called it the best follower mod if it was released in 2016, and if the TTS cloning didn't get so good I think I would've stuck with SDA over SDE :)

Arcanyx Studios

I am enjoying SDE thus far. Has a good add to the story.

Helen T.

Ok. I honestly don't have time to learn my own dialing modding at the moment, but I do appreciate the thought. But if you're offering to make a serana that DOES have those conversations, then I'd be delighted.

Fred_in_NewYork

You under estimate how rare you are. Four posts just today. Doing Doordash to pay for the VA? So over the top I can't even see the hill much less the mountain.

Arcanyx Studios

You will have a heart attack to know I have 9 mod pages being published on 30 April. I have Lyra coming on May 4th. I maybe able to get Cicera to be on 30 April too but will see.

Kaidan

So if you find something feeling a bit void, make notes and ask us which one to start on first! We will back you! Your opinion matters too!

Sin'atra

I might be the oddball here, but in the end I really don’t like SDA. Played with a few versions up to 4.0, but I never got far with it (max. 20h). The “missing” reactions you mention is one big point, and the other is, and that might be hard to understand, Kerstyn’s voice. Don’t get me wrong, she does a fantastic voice-acting, but thanks to SDA, Faye and the free voice pack there are just too many followers with her voice around already. I love it if a new follower also comes with a new voice, which comes with a whole new personality. SDE is what I use for Serana and will always choose it over SDA. Serana has a dark past, and that should in my eyes always be a part of her character.

Arcanyx Studios

Totally understandable! I am releasing a new voice called Sinister Serana for SDE to help me write her Diabologue Add-On. Also I do have Serana Voice patches for the new monthly idles. I really dont see any changes fro. 3.x to 4.2 as it is all Patreon content. There are more bugs though.

Keebs

Solid points. I can't speak for the author's commercial priorities but I agree that, in the spirit of modding, the average player should be prioritised too. I'm really glad Points #2 and #3 are mentioned. Personal biases in writing direction can compromise narrative balance when it comes to giving roleplaying options to the community. The base game accounts for both sides equally - Dawnguard and Volkihar - and in my view, a mod like SDA should account for this to allow players to enjoy the journey without feeling conflicted by our choices. Yes authors have the right to choose whatever direction they want, but leaning so heavily in one way with a mod for a popular character can alienate a large portion of potential players. SDA feels more like what the author (and Patreon supporters) wanted Serana to be to fit their personal preferences in a 'waifu' character, over a more balanced narrative. I would have loved it if SDA went for a more balanced approach in terms of narrative and content distribution.

Kaidan

Of course!

Gozfulk

My two cents. I always wanted her to be more like "seductress Faye" sensual and sexual. She's a daughter of cold Harbour. She should act like it. "Sda "portrays her as the girl next door .

Ram

Nope. She was not a willing participant in the ritual, so her personality comes out of trauma, not confidence. Faye embraces her vampire side and comes across as someone who voluntarily wanted that power. Serana is a lot more like Lamae Bal.

Arcanyx Studios

In my multiverse I focus on Molag's Harvester of Souls. There are many things that can be degrading aside from rape. How does Serana fit in? "Like myself, Serana was a human once. We were devout followers of Lord Molag Bal. Tradition dictates the females be offered to Molag Bal on his summoning day. Few survive the ordeal. Those that do emerge as a pure-blooded vampire. We call such confluences the "Daughters of Coldharbour."" There is no rage from Serana and rape infers "unwilling".

Arcanyx Studios

One reason I love Seductress Faye. I am enjoying revisiting old followers as well. I hope you look forward to my Sinister Serana. She won't be Seductress in the base but I will be doing an additional mod like Dommy Mommy Valerica as well.

Gozfulk

I have Faye in my game now. Looking forward to you expansion

Cederien

I played with SDA after I (re)discovered Skyrim 2019/20'ish, used it together with an early incarnation of IFD - Lydia. It was amazing back then, while I took my first steps modding. Tried it twice or thrice since then, but couldn't like it that much anymore. It just didn't feel right anylonger. (There might also be an aspect that you can never recapture memories ... aka "everything was better back in the days" ... no it wasn't but we are great in remembering the good things and bad at remembering the bad things.) To me, SDA Serana is just to nice, to understanding and with to few "dark spots" of her own. Vampire Paladin just don't fit her IMHO. So I've avoided replaying the Dawnguard questline, but with some of the other Serana and your additions ... I'm seriously considering giving it another shoot. Doubt SDA will ever turn around, AFAIK the development is officially ended and he is just wrapping up now. Would likely be very difficult to turn that ship around.

Arcanyx Studios

Very good points. Did have a chuckle at the Vampire Paladin as first time I have seen that brought up!

RudeBoy Box

Here's my modest opinion. I don't want to sound the voice out of the choir, but I have to say that I love SDA. Setting aside the bloat you mentioned, which I was not even aware of, I should say that SDA for me strikes the sweet spot of the unconventional waifu type, which the author probably aimed at. A troubled past, a deep story that evolves at the right pace, and a rewarding happy ending are all ingredients that have made me love it so much (and a lot of people like me, I guess). I would always pick the Dawnguard side over Volkihar in any playthrough, so I don't feel she's missing something in this regard, and her "chaotic good" character is the best match with the good PC hero type. Secondly, I think that the integration and the customization that the SDA Patch Hub offers is great value added that expands the playability and enjoyability of the mod. I agree, that she could be more rounded with more dialogue lines, but those that are there, are really well written (let's face it: if you love a character, dialogue lines are never enough...). As for the business model that Martimius adopted, I cannot agree with you more. Finally, while out of context here, I take the chance to give the due credit to the author of seranaholic, rxkx22 (and bchick3 for porting her to SSE), that IMO really bring to life and to the next level the chaotic good, waifu Serana type that SDA portrays. And of course, once again, due credit to you for all the great job you're doing. Cheers!

Arcanyx Studios

Nothing wrong with that :) i am a person who loves and values feedback :) i just know the community has SDE and SDA players. I am honestly making the SInister Serana DIabologue Add-On to fill in the gaps on the other side. Marty did a very good for Dawnguard Players. Just wanting to fill in the gaps 😔

RudeBoy Box

Re: "Just wanting to fill in the gaps": you are doing a lot more than that. A lot more.

Patrick

I tried SDA a while ago, disliked it, tried SDE more recently (before it had the romance option, so I'm unfamiliar with it) and mostly liked it, certainly enough to keep in the modlist. But I tried SDA again in my current playthrough. It's better pre-romance before she goes full waifu, parts of it are hilarious (first time in an inn and she says, "Barkeep, I'll have a wench"). But at this point I'm just bored with it and cringe every time (frequently) I hear "Now that's good teamplay." In fact, I dropped Serana as a follower. I'm still a vampire, but using some non-voiced NPCs (including Alvira) with SkyrimNet with complex personalities in their bio profiles. My general feeling was in dialogue, SDE Serana is a young woman, SDA Serana is an adolescent girl. Kerstyn Unger is great, of course, and with an Arcanyx expansion I'll probably play it again once just for the experience, but to me the SDA compatibility is the least interesting part of of what's coming for the Harkin-Valerica-Serana mods. For me, Skyrim modding has gone way too far in a genre of "Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood/Every Daedric Quest/Every Everything Else for good guys" and redemption arcs as the only plotline. It's flat, sterile, and boring.

Arcanyx Studios

You dont need to :) i am doing Vanilla voice and Sinister Serana revoices

Mark Antill

I like about 80%-90% of SDA in terms of content, there are just some lines that bug me and make me cringe. The fourth wall stuff that she still says even when you choose not have it, some of the lines in the romance feel like they were written by someone who hasn't actaully dated a woman. Other lines just feel clunky and awkwardly written. I do feel that Kerstyn manages to save some of them with the performance. As I learn more about modding I get more and more tempted to see if I can go in and pull out the offending lines. Most of it is fine, parts of it are good. I'm just concerned about breaking things. With the technical stuff I don't know why it added things like a (buggy) outfit system and setting homes. Just letting her work with follower frameworks was way better, they have more functionality and are more stable.

Arcanyx Studios

Kerstyn to me from an art standpoint owns Serana. One thing I noticed from Laura Bailey’s performance was her energy was not really there compared to other roles. Wonder if there was drawn out mitigation because of the marriage stuff. I know Laura loves her fan base very much. One reason she let's folks mod. One important facet for a character is the writing style.

RobbyRM

Hello. Greetings to you and all users, I'm a new member, writing from Italy. First of all, thank you for your fantastic mods (I spend more time downloading and testing them than actually playing them...). Your time and passion for this game are very engaging. And to be honest, I had never considered playing as a Vampire in Skyrim. SDA has always been a staple in my games, but the considerations you made are all very valid. Added to this are the latest decisions they made to abandon support for SexLab and F.G., which have only reinforced this doubt, and honestly, I'm a little disappointed as a player. Of course, I respect that the modder is the master, and can decide how and what to do with his mod. For me, it's more of a question of personal ethics. When I started using SDA, these mods were present and supported, like starting a journey together, between the modder who will provide content, and the player who will try to provide what support they can. But it seems to me that this choice was made... It's like saying "Bye, I'll leave you here halfway, I'll continue on my own, hope someone helps you." That said, I hope your work on Serana Vampira Sinistra arrives soon. I can't wait so we can dive into a new story. Sorry everyone for any errors or omissions, I use Google Translate.

Arcanyx Studios

You are perfectly fine. I am also a sexlab user >.>; really sad that it is more of a turn the community away effort rather than boost the community.

CCnation

yea it is a shame when greed tarnishes the true focus giving these beloved characters depth, character, personality, and overall a better companion to travel skyrim and beyond with. TBH the only follower I legit got super bored of was Sofia, mainly due to the mod being abandoned and Sofia not having enough overall support to make her worth adventuring with alongside friends very few followers interact with Sofia so when she isn't bantering she is just saying the same old tired dirty jokes that get stale very quickly due to the lack of variety. If there is any mod I would love to see get some love it would be Sofia cause she did have A LOT of strong moments, she was just never finished. She doesn't have awareness for all the guilds, civil war, not all the daedric quests, hell she doesn't even have awareness for Dawnguard or Dragonborn. DK if you have any plans to include Sofia in the mix along with Daumbra, Morgaine, Faye, and Serana. But would be really awesome if ya did would get Sofia back in a heartbeat if she would get more support.

Arcanyx Studios

I joined her patreon a few months back and sent her a DM and got no answer sadly. Sofia has a special place in my heart. Wanted to do new banter with Lyra.

CCnation

oh no I haven't picked up lyra yet was thinking of getting her next playthrough since this one I am in atm all that is left is mod added content all base game and dlc content is done.

Cornwall

I like SDA as it improves the character over the vanilla, I also use Follower Dialogue Expansion (FDE) for everyone the mod author has created to date. I think the gold standard for follower dialogue is Inigo, the mod author did a fantastic job bringing him to life. For NSFW adult followers I currently use Laci and Cubbi whose dialogue can have me laughing (bad for character when entering combat) I think the better followers are those that have banter between other characters. I realize that is difficult if the other follower is someone else's mod and adding lines to a vanilla follower is time consuming. What I would like to see is if a mod author has several follower mods that they talk to each other along with the player character. That interaction is what elevates the one dimensional vanilla follower to what feels like being with actual people, or as close as computer controlled one's and zero's as you can get. :)

Arcanyx Studios

I agree! One reason I like SDA. I just dont like over repetition.

CarriedDroner

Very interesting read. I have been an SDA user for years, and its an essential mod in my load order like many others. But I do love the idea of cutting down on bloat that doesnt apply to most people such as the names, etc. I have always wished SDA had more modularity where you could choose various features you want as separate ESLs for this reason.