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"I can't believe this is how it happens..." | The Sopranos - 6x18 Kennedy and Heidi | Group Reaction

Suraj, Navi, Chris and Pat present their review and reaction to season 6 episode 18 of The Sopranos "Kennedy and Heidi" created by David Chase. In episode 18, Tony (James Gandolfini) feels complicated emotions in his role in an accident involving Christopher (Michael Imperioli). Meanwhile, AJ (Robert Iler) joins a group of small-time criminals, finding a new lease on life. BECOME A Normies Premium or No Fomo MEMBER: Get 6 WEEKS AHEAD on most shows (excluding premier shows), exclusive movies and vote on what we watch: https://www.thenormies.com/ Pick up your Coffee here: "TheNormies" 10% OFF https://www.coincoffee.life/ TokyoTreat: “THENORMIES” to receive $5 off for your first #TokyoTreat box https://team.tokyotreat.com/TheNormies SEND US LETTERS/GIFTS: PO Box 785 Fishers, IN 46038 FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: linktr.ee/the_normies

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Dante Sparda

Sorry for the length, but this is the point of no return for Tony Soprano. First I’d like to start with Tony and AJ because they are the real Two Tonys. They have parallel journeys in therapy. Tony uses therapy as a crutch with Melfi as a sounding board for the misery he built for himself, from which there’s no escape. AJ is trying to understand this misery and projects it onto the world. He tried to go the route of the young hardworking family man, which failed miserably. Then he turns to his new friend group, who on the surface are fun, strong and caring. Look at the way they comforted him at Christopher’s wake. But underneath, they’re violent cowards who hunt in packs and hide behind their fathers’ “jobs.” With the Somali kid, AJ saw what his father’s life really was and what this other family really was. AJ’s whole life is based on crime and violence. It’s all a big nothing. Like Livia said to him all the way back in Season 2, “What makes you think you’re so special?” And now with Tony killing Christopher, we’ve seen Tony having to kill the people he loved before but with Christopher there’s no grief only satisfaction. He uses the baby’s car seat and Chris’s drug use to justify to himself that he had to kill Christopher, when really he just wanted him dead, someone he claimed to love like a son. In his dream and in real therapy, he never mentions the baby’s car seat to Melfi like he does with the people grieving Christopher. Tony wants people to hate and feel disgusted by Christopher the same way he does. Then Tony goes to Vegas and essentially takes things connected to Christopher’s life and turns them into another source of pleasure for himself. He bangs Christopher’s former goomar, does drugs, gambles and finally starts winning, feeling happy that Christopher is dead without having people around him grieving. It feels like good luck to Tony, and he finally gets it. He’s a bad person , and there’s no point in even trying to change because deep down he knows who he is and where he’s going after this life. His whole peyote trip is reminiscent of the coma dream he had earlier in the season. Also, when Tony orders the truckload of asbestos to be dumped and when it gets dumped, you can hear ducks in the background. The man who was once terrified of losing the ducks, his family, is now the one poisoning and killing them.

Jamaal Ellison

I swear you can almost see a little grin on Tony's face as he was smothering Chris's nose.

Richard C

This is the episode I’ve been waiting for. The darkness finally consumes him.

SunnydaleClassof99

#SundayRundown Probably the most shocking moment when I watched it for the first time. Honestly though it's surprising Christopher lasted this long. He's been a junkie or addict of one kind or another since we've first met him. If not for Tony he probably would've been taken out years back. Christopher was doomed from the jump being born into this life & with a mother too checked out to encourage better choices. The most tragic thing is it's very likely his son will be stuck in the same cycle that took his father & grandfather.

Jon Smith

#SundayRundown Tony bringing up how the tree branch could have killed the baby to everyone he talks to, obviously one of the things he's using to convince himself was "reason" for killing Christopher, parallels a conversation from the first season about Livia Soprano telling the story about the house burning down with all the kid inside. Tony mentions his mom always brought stuff like that up to get attention, he thought it was "morbid."

Jarrod Wild

The final scenes of this episode with Tony make me break down in tears, from the moment he utters "he's dead" and starts giggling uncontrollably, to his peyote-induced revelation in the desert while staring at the sun. Whatever there was that was still redeemable is dead. Tony believes that the universe is on his side.

SergeTroy

To be honest, screw Chris. My biggest thing with him is always how he runs to Tony and then passes the blame for everything on to him. He beat on Adriana as a known thing from season 2 forward, sells her out and knows he was in on the conspiracy to murder but purely blames Tony. He does in fact make a movie about it that is clearly a revenge fantasy that is 100% obvious to everyone. And the fact he wasn’t killed after he became an addict is incredible.

SergeTroy

I am so looking forward to the next episode, there’s a scene worthy of replay for itself alone.

phunkrsd

#Sundayrundown: Welcome to the dark-side, guys, lol. Love witnessing that 'icky' feeling on your faces as you realise that (along the ride that this show is) we find ourselves in a boat with a demon. Just like Melfi, we as viewers are, as she stated it a while back "I've been charmed by a sociopath". Brilliant writing. I've commented it before, but this was David Chase's way to slowly drown the audience in an uncomfortable truth: these are heavy criminals that will shy away from absolutely nothing. No matter how much we find them endearing due to some other emotions they've shown us along the way.

Gaius Frakking Baltar

There was a nice piece of foreshadowing in episode 4x10, during the intervention scene: after finding out that Christopher sat on Adriana's dog and smothered it to death, Tony said "You killed little Cosette? I ought to suffocate you, you little prick!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSRIkxjzjTE

Joe Rafferty

I think the end of the episode is Tony finally crashing after realising that there's no escape from who he is. If you remember back in season 2 when Melfi explained to Tony the condition Alexithymia. Like a shark that has to keep moving or it'll stop breathing, Tony has been constantly chasing highs like drugs, sex, gambling etc to avoid having to confront the inevitable truth about himself that he's always known but doesn't want to admit. That's why I think he says, "I get it" because in that moment of clarity, he finally accepts that he is a monster, incapable of change or redemption.

Veya

it's tony at his lowest point, but it's more nuanced than no return, considering some of the scenes they chose to show in the next coming episodes. david chase himself was also surprisingly...sympathetic towards an aspect of the decision, though he flip flops at times regarding things in the show. the point about the baby seat is also more nuanced. yes he doesn't bring it up in therapy, and only does so verbally to other people, and i don't doubt he is using it to validate his feelings, but in the scene proper, we do see him eyeing it long before he makes the decision to kill chris, which suggests some genuine feelings towards that. it's not completely presented as him only using it as an excuse or else the lingering shot of it doesn't make too much sense. agree with some of the other stuff in the comment, but again, speaking to a point from last week, there's more nuance in his character and some of these situations than a lot of people's reading, it's especially clear if you consume some behind the scenes stuff.

Veya

in regards to "don't think he's capable of regret", the entire show has basically disputed this. what makes his actions monstrous at points is precisely because he is capable of it, but it keeps getting overpowered and rationalized away. the mere fact that he needs to engage in rationalization and cognitive dissonance in the first place is precisely because he does feel regret and cares about these things, even if it's buried deep down or very outwardly subdued. somebody who doesn't give a shit at all wouldn't really bother with self-deception. the stripper also points it out in the episode. people (not just reactors but i'm seeing some in the comments) seem to take his lack of outward emotion at complete face value, but aside from the subtle acting of watery eyes in many of these moments, the show hasn't really operated that way when subconscious conflict has been common. this is why people may need to read more critics analysis. they usually have more of a pulse on some of the underlying themes but some interview showrunners and writers and there's a lot of insight there. other thematic and subtext notes: tony and paulie's arcs have become inverted during the season and both were linked to the wind with a lot of relational subtext (which can take essays to expound on). tony and aj are also contrasted, tony feels too little, aj feels too much. adriana subtext is also missed and seemed to be framed as tony only regarding chris in that situation and that's why he felt betrayed. again, worthwhile to look beyond what's just being said on the surface.

Braavosi

#SundayRundown The end of this episode is like when the anime protagonist accepts his true self and gets a powerup

Stan the Man

There is a theory that Chris had flipped to FBI between the last episode and this episode. And there is some actual evidence to support it. Watch Chris again in the final meeting with Phil about asbestos. We also see Chris wearing something we rarely ever see him wear. A hat. A Cleaver hat. They even do a close up on it in the hospital after Tony calls Carmela about the accident. Remember back to season 5? We know hiding mic’s in hats are a big thing the fbi does. Chris also appears very nervous. Yes, it could be drugs. But he puts in a CD, & what CD of all things does he put in? The Departed. Which is a movie about informants and double lives. And the final image in that movie just so happens to be…a rat. (And Chris talks about going to the fbi before he kills JT previous episode) What does Tony get? This episode has 2 callbacks to the beacon from Tony’s coma trip at the start of season 6. The first callback happens right after Tony kills Chris. Tony looks up, and sees an illumined light beam coming from out of view car. It’s headlight beams sweeping left to right. It’s framed and shot like the beacon) The next time we see the Beacon imagery? The sun at the end during the Peyote trip. It’s interesting that Chris dies and Tony’s gambling luck changes. He starts winning. (Interesting, when Chris gets shot in season 2, part of his vision is he goes to hell, and in hell he sees people gambling and “winning every roll”. (Hell connections continue when Tony, after taking peyote, sees a slot machine with a cherub devil as a design motif. Vegas is also called “Sin City”. Only 3 more episode.

LucasHolliday

#SDR Chris said it best when you watched Godfather and Navi said we're rooting for the Corleones..."if Sopranos was just a 2 hour long movie, we'd be like hell yeah this is awesome, but it just keeps going, and we're all like Tony stop".....I know you guys know that he's a textbook sociopath, but thing is, we know those people irl. We may not be friends with them, but there's no mistake that it's a path some take without the willingness to change and try to be better. In America, that path is celebrated and romanticized, especially on screen, even when it's ugly. This show was never trying to make an antihero big for primetime, it was trying to make you sympathize with villains and humanize their actions. This season reminds you of the atrocious nature of humanity even through family and loyalty and all those decent values the main characters claim to live by.

SnapGrapplePop

Are you doing The Many Saints of Newark once the Sopranos run finishes?

Javi

I think it's kind of crazy that this is the turning point that people needed to see to consider Tony evil; he's been pretty evil since basically the start and I think it was a great choice to give him one last dastardly thing to do before the ending of the story. Tony is also projecting heavily over this he repeatedly calls chris a lying drug addict meanwhile Tony literally almost died trying to get drugs and cheat with adrianna 😭😭

John

Not so much no escape, but more accept who you are, and be in the moment. Alan watts type stuff. No striving or grasping. No judging. No trying. Everything is one. Everything is god, and nothing is separate.

Iko

The Las Vegas-portion of the this episode is possibly a reference to an old Twilight Zone episode "A Nice Place to Visit". In it, a gangster dies and goes to a place where he wins every bet at a casino and women do as he pleases - like Tony winning every bet in a company of a beautiful woman. In time, the gangster grows bored and says he no longer wishes to stay in heaven, to which he receives the reply "You think you are in heaven?" Carlo actually references this in the gambling-episode but is cut off by angry Tony before finishing. So the similarity is most likely by design. Also, in his last scene, we see Christopher wearing a baseball cap similar to his first scene in the series. I could be reaching here, but I wonder whether this is meant to symbolize his lack of growth as human being at the end of the show?

Kwame James

#Sunday Rundown Tony had a lot of legit reasons to kill Chris first he was a drug addict and unreliable when on drugs then he literally brought a gun to the bing to kill Tony thought about snitching on Tony multiple times like when Adriana asked he only didn't because he didn't want a regular life then his movie which is a murder fantasy that he had sober he had to go

Richard Kors

Chris got the bad ending Jessie could’ve got