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Red Dwarf | Beyond a Joke | S7 Ep 6 | Gallifrey Gals Get Dwarfed (Patreon)

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What happens when Kryten steps into a Jane Austen novel? Should be alright, yeah? Couldn't be about anything else right?? Eh, we'll ketchup either way.

Thank you all for being here with us on these watch throughs and thank you for always being a supportive and wonderful community!

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Troy Convers

I'm sure many others will tell you, but the tank was from the Bond film 'Goldeneye' (even down to the markings) as both were filmed at Shepperton, and the explosion was done with C4, which went down a bomb with the neighbours a mile or so away; broken windows, car alarms going off, pictures falling off hooks and some red faces with the RD production crew!

Jakob1978

The blackhead joke you found uncomfortable is not quite the reference you think. In the UK a blackhead is a spot (or more specifically a clogged pore), so the joke was about spotty teens working in greasy fast food takeaways. This is quite a decent episode, but I think the next ones are much better.

Troy Convers

The simulant is played by Don Henderson, a great British character actor who alas passed away from cancer a few weeks after filming this. He was of course in the first Star Wars film as General Taggi in the Conference room with Vader and Grand Moff Tarkin.

Raven Stromdans

I had actually forgotten the explanation of why Kryten's character changed so radically, presuming the negadrive *is* meant to be that explanation. I do admit that I found Kryten's over the top efforts to force everyone back to the dinner table very funny, especially the inclusion of the tank. Maybe I'm being overly critical, but I actually think the weakest part of this episode is the denouement (and I'm not 100% certain I'm even using that term right) with the curry dinner in Jane Austen world. Something about that just left me kind flat and feeling like they didn't really know how to end the episode. Otherwise, I did find I enjoyed it more than I remembered doing so in my previous viewing. Keep Calm and Smeg On, Gallifrey Gals! Mr. Flibble and I will be here smoking a kipper until the next episode...and maybe we'll pass the time hunting the characters of Pride and Prejudice for sport, because that actually looked like a lot of fun!

Frank Murphy

That's the power of red dwarf. They know not what they do lol

John Veitch

I'm sure the term is (or was in the 90s) used in the U.S. as well, as it was used as part of a joke in an episode of "Animaniacs", where the Warners think Albert Einstein is a dermatologist. The joke is a bit awkwardly worded in this episode, like it's maybe missing one or two steps (and the choice of fried chicken, out of all greasy food possibilities, didn't help)

Chris Fone

A couple of things to mention about this one. Firstly Don Henderson as the Simulant, this was sadly one of his last acting roles. You could hear his voice was very horse in this, I believe he died a year later from throat cancer. You can see him, playing the main villain, in the 1987 Dr Who story Delta and the Bannermen, definitely one I’d recommend when you next have a free slot on Thursday’s. Secondly I am one of those Pride & Prejudice guys you mentioned, my mum grew up loving the book and she swears by the 1995 BBC series, really not a fan of the movie. My whole family knew it so well, when we were growing up, that we caught it on TV when we were on holiday in Slovenia once. However the series was dubbed into Italian…but we could still watch it cause we knew all the words! Also if Paula wants an addition to her murder mystery/Pride & Prejudice fiction, in 2011 female crime writer P.D. James wrote a murder mystery sequel to Pride & Prejudice called Death Comes to Pemberley. In 2013 the BBC adapted this one into another 3 part series and Lydia just so happened to be played by Jenna Coleman. I’d recommend this too, not just for that. Thanks again for this! I can’t wait to see your reaction to this one in the making of documentary too!

Matthew Hanlon

You should watch the BBC adaptation of Pride and Prejudice with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle.

Rob G

I wasnt sure why the gals felt uncomfortable but reading this comment I suddenly realise why, they thought it was a racist stereotype joke, oops.

Troy Convers

He was of course in the first Star Wars film.

Darryl Glynn

The "black heads" was reference to the skin condition, where hair follicles are blocked, and you either whiteheads or blackheads forming. It's just the colour of the acne.

Lizbeth Marcs

Things I like to file under TOTALLY DELIBERATE (and if it isn't don't tell me): In Kochanski's Jane Auten World, Cat is assigned the role of George Wickham one of the greatest examples of a Scrub (also known as a f-ckboi) in literature. And Lister is assigned the role of Mr. Collins, one of the greatest examples of a Nice Guy(TM) in literature. It is absolutely *vicious* on Kochanski's part, because 100% that's how she views both of them at this point in time. So Kochanski may be, on the surface, settling in. But she's still taking her pot-shots where she can. That said — I haaaaaaaate this episode. Absolutely haaaaaaate it. I like the first Jane Austen World bit with Kryten sabotaging the hell out of it (it makes me laugh), but beyond that? Whoooof. It is easily my most disliked, bottom of the barrel Red Dwarf episode. The whole thing just makes me cringe, up to and including the whole nega-drive out-of-the-blue curveball. The sad thing is, I don't think Robert Llewellyn is at fault for it. He was asked by Doug Naylor to write an episode, and he wrote an episode where Kryten would be out of commission for all but 5 minutes of the run time. Doug took it and re-wrote the whole thing, which is a big part of the reason why this episode is all over the place. He said that by the time Doug was done re-writing, there was maybe a line here or there that got kept. This episode really represents my many, many of issues with Series 7 and why it forever remains my least-liked series of Red Dwarf. I mean, props to Doug for trying something different with Series 7 (better a swing and a miss than sticking with the formula), but I think he was working with too many changes at once, between the tonal shift, the loss of the live audience (which the actors disliked), the cast changes, and the writing staff changes. I think it was too much to overcome and that's why we wound up with such a weak season. That said, I still say the first two episodes of Series 7 are among the strongest in Red Dwarf's entire run, which is why Series 7 is such a crashing disappointment to me.

Jasper de Vries

Still better than blowing up your main cast in an enclosed cockpit space every week.

michael mccafferty

Guy who loves Jane Austen checking in. 'Pride and Prejudice' was published in 1813 but the language is very accessible. Austen's world is very different from our own: a class-based society that you could be born into, fail out of, but *not* earn your way into; women could not inherit property; and Suffrage was a hundred years in the future. But stories about the human condition are timeless. Shakespeare, Austen, Star Trek.. good stories about *people* are timeless.

Time Lord

That definitely feels way more appropriate and I'm thankful we've got y'all to help shed light on those moments! Upon first hearing we definitely heard it in a different manner. So thank you for this! - Kat

Paul Flux

Yes, Death Comes to Pemberley is worth watching.

Nolan

For me, something feels weakly plotted when it gets a feeling of "And then THIS happened," over and over. Just a lack of overall cohesion. This episode has it, and I noticed the newer Star Treks do this too, though there's definitely episodes of older Trek that do too. You know, just a feeling of chess pieces moving from plot-point to plot point or set piece to set piece. usually just feels very artificial, narratively.

EternusNex

I am going to ask, because we are almost at the end of Season 7, and I know you guys record in advance. Series 8 has 2 episodes that are multi part episodes. (Not saying which), are you planning to react in broadcast order, so 1 ep a week, run the multi parts in 1 reaction, or get the remastered into a single episode version?

Lizbeth Marcs

That's a really good question. IMHO, the first multi-part plays better as separate episodes while the second multi-part plays better as single episode. I honestly have no idea why I think that, but that's how I tend to treat them during re-watches. I think it's because the first multi-part is movie-length and the material in those episodes really don't warrant a movie-length episode, while the second multi-part is basically the length of your bog-standard hour-long (actually a little less) television episode.

Ross Nolan

I'm glad you're warming to Kochanski (Chloë Annett version.) I've always liked the character and actress and she's getting better lines playing up her nerdiness and fish out of water aspects. Also one of my favourite jokes in Series VII: Kochanski: "Let's at least ask someone who's going to give us a slightly more intelligent opinion." (She walks up to a wall) "HELLO WALL! WHAT DO YOU THINK!?"

Paflad

While this isn't the funniest episode overall I do really like this direction for Kochanski. Her nerdy little jokes and the immediate puncturing of her proud moment of triumph with the bomb hoax are super charming moments that play to Chloe Annetts strengths as an actress. I always thought she had a natural charm and likeability that sadly, for whatever reason, never really translated into career longevity. It's a crying shame she never went on to do much beyond this period.

Ross Nolan

She would have shone as a companion on Doctor Who had it been on in the nineties (as a series - I know the Eight Doctor movie was in the 90s.)

pbaker

I’d be surprised if you weren’t planning to watch the behind the scenes on this series pretty soon. I like it more than some but I know lots of people who just don’t even go there after series 6.

Scribbles

He was talking about blackheads, as in the skin blemish, not "black heads". He was referring to the spotty teenagers working at fast food places.

Rob G

It is what it is, nerd rage is fantastic and you went full bore, love it, ty.

Rob G

That was a great joke.

Rob G

The true crime with Dwarf fans is not acknowledging just how much Able and his robot outfit design is so much better than Krytens.

Paflad

Thats a good shout, she absolutely would have. Although given the career trajectory of most classic series companions post Who the end result would likely have been the same.

Katrine Myra

Yeah, that's one of the really good jokes she gets.

Katrine Myra

I'll admit it - I had genuinely forgotten that this episode existed. And that's not because it's bad, I think it's just that it's overshadowed by some of the other episodes in this series. Kochanski is good in this - I agree that her geekery is charming and works really well for the character. There is so much potential there and like you, I also LOVE her outfits...! That's the great Howard Burden, whose work cannot be overrated. I get your point about there also being stereotypical man jokes in the show, but I would argue that the issue with Kochanski in series VII is that they changed the other characters to make her stereotypes fit. Keep in mind, Lister canonically watches romantic films and cries over them; he knits, he watches classical films, he's generally not that toxic. But in series VII, they push him in a more traditionally masculine direction to allow for more of a contrast with Kochanski.

Sebastian Bodine

I think it wouldn't be as misconstrued if they swapped the fried chicken with a burger joint or movie theater popcorn booth or something like that. In spite of the delectability of fried chicken, in the US, it has had negative racial stereotypes associated to it.

Sebastian Bodine

I'm glad to see that one of the areas that I thought wasn't so bad about the seventh series, Kochanski, is growing on you! Aside from the "Jane Austen = girl stuff", I thought what was appealing to her character is that that stuff is usually a bit more posh and English which Lister was generally against and Cat would have no clue of. Although there are some that won't agree, I believe that you gals made it through the worst bits of the series and you'll have a better time finishing this series albeit with a retcon or two.

Frank Murphy

The best theory about kochansky that actually makes sense is she is the real kochsnsky the orginal and Claire grogan was her inquisitor replacement. Since the inquisitors work was reset so was kochansky

David Shadwell

Yeah, that is my main gripe of eps 3 to 8 of this series. The loss of Rimmer made Doug change the characters of Kryten and Lister to compensate for it. That threw out all the character development they had been through as Lister matures and Kryten continues to breakdown his programming. It is so jarring to see S6 Ep6, quickly followed by this series. The Lister that threatens their future selves and the Kryten that is thoughtful and innovative have suddenly vanished. It also makes the Lister/Kochanski romance even more unbelievable. She loathes this Lister even though we have witnessed him being much more like 'her' Dave in the past. Yet she went out with him when he was a gross, laddish, layabout back when he was in his early 20's yet can't stand him now. This is the better Lister here.

David Shadwell

This is a better ep than the last 2 as the balance between the characters (Cat has something to do!), the comedy and pathos seems a lot better. Kochanski is at her best here and Lister starts to return to something vaguely like normal for him. His concern and remorse at the loss of Kryten is good to see. The dragged out Kryten arc is thankfully done and Robert was great as the drug-addled Able. As already mentioned, the story feels a bit all over the place and a bit fragmented. Feels a bit rushed rather than organically flowing. It also looks good so this was one of the three eps that ate all the budget it seems. Don Henderson is great, shame he didn't get more screen time but he was such a good actor to the end.

Katrine Myra

Exactly. And on that note: The show implies that holo!Lister is "better" because he's more sensitive and caring, and knows how to treat women, but Lister's problem was never that he was not sensitive and caring or unaware of women's issues. Yes, he does have some issues, as evidenced by Parallel Universe, but as also shown in that episode, RIMMER is the one who has no idea how to treat women, and tends to be unsensitive and uncaring! If Lister wasn't the opposite of that, he wouldn't be a foil to Rimmer, which is the entire basis of the show. Like...! Unfortunately, what we're then left with is the suggestion that holo!Lister is better because he has more refined tastes, dresses more conservatively (notably, he has short hair), and prefers pasta to curry.

Lizbeth Marcs

This is completely what I was getting at when I said that losing Rimmer as the in-house antagonist was a problem: Doug wound up distributing Rimmer's flaws to *other characters*, even if it made completely no sense for the characters that wound up inheriting them. Lister got Rimmer's chauvinism, Kryten got Rimmer's pettiness, and Kristine got Rimmer's snobbery, sarcasm, and controlling nature. Poor Cat is barely more than a glorified extra as far as Series 7 is concerned, so he's the only one who didn't get stuck with one of Rimmer's negative traits. At the same time, because Lister and Kryten have traditionally been the "good guys" in the group, they couldn't be turned into full-on antagonists, although Kryten comes close for a couple of episodes. And because Kristine was supposed to be "the love interest", Doug couldn't afford to make her too unlikeable, either. As a result, all the characters suffer because there's no full-on commitment to just make one of them the group antagonist. I'm just not sure if it's the writing or the acting that's to blame for that.

Daniel Graham

Idk if anyone else defended the one joke of the show... someone should have caught the other implication which caught y'all gal's ears, but the actual meaning of the joke was that Fried Chicken is greasy and causes acne, specifically "blackheads." It was not meant to be racial at all but due to the easy misinterpretation this joke could easily have been pulled.

John Veitch

Or that it was written via a game of "fortunately, unfortunately".

John Veitch

They could have mentioned literally any other greasy food. Also the joke maybe requires too many association leaps to get... and I'm not sure it's really worth it.

Daniel Graham

My point is only that the joke is made in ignorance of the racial misinterpretation of it.

Katrine Myra

You're absolutely right. And I'd say the acting suffers because of the writing. Everyone really tries their best with what they're giving, but yeah...

Richard Higgs

Pride and Prejudice and Zombies😊

SnabbKassa

Most British people wouldn't even know that that was an association to avoid joking about

Chris K

CHEETOS? WITH CHOPSTICKS? YOU'RE EATING CHEETOS WITH CHOPST- (head explodes)