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Sloane Lysbeth

you're not missing context. that was just racist.

Stephen A

Malcolm and the government are the left-wing Labour party. But we're talking about the Tony Blair era where he'd moved the party right. The big joke at the time from the Conservatives was that they had a hard time coming up with policies because Labour had stolen all their ones! Meanwhile the right wing Conservatives (The opposition in this) were actually trying to be more progressive. It seems weird in the modern MAGA times where the right have doubled-down on cruelty and it seems to have worked. Back in the day the thought was that to get elected again they'd have to look less stuffy and more caring - Being nice to immigrants and 'the youths'. Modern with no ties!

davmeltz

“I fashioned the narrative, n****…” not only aged poorly, it’s also probably one of the weakest jokes in the show, or at least Ollie’s weakest. I still don’t really get what he was going for. I can think of at least one more use of the n-word in a later episode, but that joke worked better in its context IMO.

PanFanMan

So just to clarify, the show up until the two specials focuses only on a facsimile of the Labour govt (and the press) up until it lost power to the Conservatives in the 2010 General Election, who are represented by Peter Mannion et al, and you'll also be introduced to a party representing the Liberal Democrats, up until that point the third biggest party in the country but with much fewer MPs than the other two.

Tarren

Love these reactions! It’s easy to miss which party is which because the show presents them as being bad as each other. In real life though the conservatives are very slightly more right wing. Also the context for n word joke is it was racist and bad.

Sloane Lysbeth

labour are supposed to be left but blair made them right. the reason the conservatives are trying to appear left, like with the no ties and everything, is bcos it was when they were desperately trying to get back in to power and david cameron was doing his 'compassionaite conservatism' schtick.

Lintrinsic

The only context I can suggest for the N-word is I think they're trying to get across that Ollie is the kind of jerk to say entirely inappropriate and unacceptable stuff in a pathetic, failed attempt to seem cool, rather than it being a joke. On the other hand I found the joke about him being the "shittest James Bond ever! You're David fucking Niven" one of the funniest things I ever heard.

Jonathan Charles

Kat was right. Although it's never explicitly stated, it's generally understood that the party in power is Labour and Peter's party are the Conservative opposition. I don't know if it works similarly in the US, but over here the opposition still have jobs in government while not in power, to keep the other party in check. They have the same titles, just with "Shadow" in front of them. This is the position that Peter currently occupies as the Shadow Minister for DoSAC - hopefully this makes future episodes a little more understandable.

Tippis

Welcome to the show Steward. Now things get really good. 😄

Donald Baillie

You might like to know that Newsnight is a real programme and special guest Jeremy Paxman was a real jounalist on that show, notorious for his hard-hitting interview technique. On the parties, Kat has it right. As others have said the government is the left-wing Labour party and the opposition are the Conservatives. It's an age when both parties are trying to fight over the centre ground. Tony Blair did some radical things, but was concerned to always seem centrist, non-ideological, managerial, "third-way", like Bill Clinton, while the Conservaties under David Cameron tried to be positive on things like understanding youth problems and being more environmental, etc. They were desperate to seem more cuddly, progressive, less nasty, which is where Stuart Pearson comes in with his "no ties".

Donald Baillie

Ollie is a posh boy who's watched too much Quentin Tarantino. I don't think anything more needs to be said about that.

streaky

I'd never seen these specials before, but the hard R even surprised me. I mean I get why they included it but even for the time it's a choice. I love the idea that handing off migration to a quango would politically neutralise it rather than hypercharge it politically, that tickles me, funny joke they made there. Also Ollie is so Greg.

streaky

Yeah they're not in government, but they have access to some information which isn't public which is why for some jobs they become part of the Privy Council - so they can respond to things and government policy.

Peter Harrison

I *love* Roger Allam playing Peter Mannion. The utter distain by Roger in his delivery to Stewart and the other colleagues is brilliant. I don't know I've ever heard someone say "I bet you do" with more contempt before. There's more greatness to come from him.

Kirk Deighton

Kat got it. In this era the casual racism was endemic and [for want of a better proxy] "the libs" thought we were now post-racism so could do "ironic" n-words like Olly, and the referenced off screen conservative leader's bad taste jokes. All very Ali G/Borat coded. It was the End of History and all the -isms were defeated in the minds of New Labour. A shorthand used to describe the era of conservatism the opposition represent was David Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" approach. The main Tory guy we get introduced to here is a dinosaur and very rare. There aren't any of him left in politics now, the closest that sill exists would be the journalist Peter Oborne maybe. Somehow they genuinely believe capitalism and conservatism uplift society in total, and it is not just about personal advancement. Terri comes off the best because she's a civil servant, they have to be apolitical and work with the ruling party and the opposition shadow minister to an extent. The shadow ministers are meant to learn the ministers job, so they are ready to go from day one should government change hands. Her apolitical nature is also why she gets all the grief, she's not on "the team", despite her whole job being to facilitate the team. But it is also what allows her to be totally checked out when all hell breaks lose if its political in nature and not departmental business.

Sebastian Bodine

The big tell is Phil's answer to "What's great about the 80s?" was "Miami Vice, and we were in power" indicating that they are the conservatives. Tories if I recall correctly.

Cold Binterp

Yes, this was basically my take away at the time too. Except that thing about Ollie and I don't know if I'm missing something obvious. I think the way you read it is accurate to the general zeitgeist of the time and is appropriate satire of Ollie. But I just don't think that is what was intended by the writers. The word "nipper" means small/young, perhaps mischievous person/child and to my knowledge is etymologically unrelated to the ethnic slur. More related to the verb, to nip, as in "nip in the bud". Don't know why I felt the need to reply to this and I might have just completely missed something else he said, but hope I come across as earnest not defensive. Sad that time makes one yearn for more Peter Manions.

Cold Binterp

I replied to someone else, but am now doubting myself. I heard the word as "nipper", which is a completely different word in British English. I could easily be wrong and it actually has a horrible history, but in my life it is a word that loving, if exasperated, aunts and uncles call their nieces and nephews - meaning small, mischievous persons.

Lintrinsic

He didn't say "nipper"

Phil Birkett

This is an excellent comment. Mannion does have something of the Oborne about him, though he's more cynical and miserable than Oborne, to match the overall vibe of the show.

Phil Birkett

I think you did miss something tbh, the word was not "nipper".