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Hello lovely Patrons!

The new episode of Philosophy Tube comes out tonight at 1900 British time! I'll be in the live chat from 1830, so you can come and watch it with me!

I hope you enjoy it :)

Abi xxx

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Jefferson & the Indians: The Complex Truth

See Part Three now! https://go.nebula.tv/philosophytube Support the show on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PhilosophyTube BIBLIOGRAPHY: Kathryn Akipa, Gladys Hawk, Craig Howe, Lanniko Lee, Kim Tallbear, and Lydia Whirlwind Soldier, “Reflections in Mnisose After Lewis and Clark,” in This Stretch of the River ed. Kim Tallbear Maggie Blackhawk, “Federal Indian Law as Paradigm Within Public Law,” in Harvard Law Review John Brinckerhoff Jackson, “Jefferson, Thoreau, and After,” in Landscape in Sight: Looking at America Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, An Indigenous People’s History of the United States Harrold Hellenbrand, “Not ‘To Destroy But To Fulfil,’ Jefferson, Indians, and Republican Dispensation,” in Eighteenth-Century Studies Mark Andrew Holawchek, Thomas Jefferson on American Indians Anthony Hobert, “Locke’s “Wild Indian,” in United States Supreme Court Jurisprudence,” in American Indian Law Journal Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia Queries VI and XI Thomas Jefferson, “Notes Concerning Boundaries,” 1784 Thomas Jefferson, “Letter to Benjamin Hawkins,” August 1786 Thomas Jefferson,” Letter to Henry Dearborn,” August 1802 Thomas Jefferson, “Letter to Benjamin Hawkins,” February 1803 Thomas Jefferson, “Letter to William Henry Harrison,” February 1803 James Tully, “Rediscovering America” Charmaine White Face, “Where Are They?” in This Stretch of the River ed. Kim Tallbear Joe Whittle, “The Case for Returning U.S. Public Lands to Indigenous People,” in Time Magazine Patrick Wolfe, “Settler Colonialism and the Elimination of the Native,” in Journal of Genocide Research MUSIC: 'SMOKE' by Luke Levenson, ft. Abbey Smith https://open.spotify.com/track/2DvonT751gQIRikzKDDGId https://www.instagram.com/lukelevenson?igsh=NzVjbzFoNTJya2tl&utm_source=qr #philosophy #history #america

Comments

Jay P Hailey

My understanding is that the United States has never upheld a treaty signed with the Native Americans. I find this extremely disappointing and discouraging.

J. Smith

Outrageously good work.

Latex Creatures

I'm wishing I hadn't commented on this on Bluesky because some people went totally off the handle and started a pile-on, which I'm sure you are experiencing at the moment. The problem being that when trying to address a group of 9.6M to talk about the injustices they experienced at the hands of colonial settlers, you are never going to arrive at a name that they all agree with. Being Irish-Malay, I am intimately familar with the crimes of the British Empire against my ancestors, and even those still perpetrated today against the Gymreig, where I was born and grew up. But to them, I am just another oppressor, and they are unwilling to accept that we might have more in common than apart. This is really sad, and does not help anyone, but that's where we are today where there's no room for empathy in online discourse. Thank you for doing this essay and handling the topics sensitively. We are not accountable for the crimes of our forebearers, but we are responsible for recognising their effects and seeking mutual understanding.

Captain Mikee

I just watched the bonus video on Nebula about the meaning of "using" the land! I was really interested in the land management technique of cultivating a sort of "honey pot" for deer and other game animals. Way back around 2008 ago I saw a TED talk about a Spanish farmer named Eduardo Sousa, who made a sort of "goose paradise" where wild geese come and gorge themselves to the point that he can make "foie gras" from their livers without force feeding. It thought it was so strange and amazing and wondered why more people didn't do that. Turns out people have been doing it for a long time! I found this 2016 NPR story about him: https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/08/01/487088946/this-spanish-farm-makes-foie-gras-without-force-feeding It says that 500 years ago there was a Jewish family doing this on his farm, until they were expelled by the Spanish Inquisition in 1492! I sense a common thread here... I remember when I heard about this, I wondered why nobody was doing this in the USA with Canada geese who are no longer migratory because of flawed efforts to repopulate them after overhunting. But after watching Abi's video, it seems very likely that people DID do that, they just got genocided because they weren't "using the land right."

Jonathan Chadwick

Had to come on here and lend you a sub right away. I'm so so hurt by all the people saying you're pro-genocide in the youtube comments. It feels like a deliberate misunderstanding of your point. Looking forward to supporting you on the post mortem stream when it comes and on your future vids now that I'm a patron. You are brilliant

Daevid Jael

I really appreciated this episode, plus the bonus, which made me all the more shocked when i read the comments on YT! It seems sadly that the "left" are just as good at being lead by bad faith actors as anyone else, which is how i see this dogpile. I also question whether most of the negative commenters have seen any of your other vids. What disturbed me the most though was that there seemed to be no understanding of nuance, inference and timing, and that many want overt 'i support x' statements over persuasion. Where would Star Trek be today if it was just blatant ;)

Captain Mikee

I don't follow Bluesky so this was the first I heard of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwHoV7EpFM I do feel bad that I listened to Abi's use of terminology and accepted that as an influence when I talk about Indigenous issues. I think it was a mistake for me to trust her research on this particular wordage. This video response is a call for more collaboration with Indigenous people on the video and that seemed reasonable to me. They are also asking for an acknowledgment from Abi about the issue. What do you think?

CassieWasRight

I imagine it would be a lot of work and likely delay Abigail's ability to work on other planned videos, but I think following Kenna's advice and pulling the video, hiring an Indigenous North American consultant, and re-editing it with the added context is the right thing to do. As a fan of Philosophy Tube I would much rather see a video on the topic done right and with respect even if it means less content overall.

Terra Jones

I have seen criticism that you shouldn't use the term "indian" when referring to North American indigenous people because it is generally regarded as a slur. You should really have not done that.