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POV Nathaniel

One day after entering the 11th floor and confirming it's somewhat safe, I enter Beyond. Just as I’d hoped, I’m stopped in the usual place with Ruby sitting behind her table.

“Hey,” she greets me.

“Hey,” I say back, sliding into the chair opposite her.

Coming out of the scorching heat of the 11th floor, it feels weirdly comfortable here.

“Biscuit isn’t in Beyond?” I ask her just in case. I wanted to get that question out as soon as I could, though I suspect I know the answer.

“He is not,” Ruby answers. She quickly continues, “Why don’t you stay here for a few more minutes before you use a Tutorial Stay token? It costs half a million shards. You shouldn’t waste it like that.”

“I don’t think I can currently find any care in me for that,” I say, yet I still stay in the chair.

“That floor really got fucked up.”

“It did.”

“So, how are you taking it?”

I give myself a moment to think before I shrug. “It sucks, but honestly, I kept waiting for something to go wrong like that. It is kind of in the name of this difficulty. It could have ended much worse. This failure doesn’t even change anything or add further to our 'motivation.' All of us already knew that we need to get stronger. It was just as you said: a shitty floor full of mistakes. Some of which could have been avoided, and others that were just bad luck.”

“That is true,” she says in a gentle voice, hinting for me to continue.

I find no reason not to. People always feel a bit better after complaining to someone who listens, so why not? “Biscuit is gone. Our bond is gone. But I will find him, or he will find me.” I pause and lean back to look upwards. “He is strong, so I’m sure he’s okay. But I guess you can’t tell me?”

“It is complicated. As a Ruler, some of my actions or words I say bring unwanted attention from the system. It is best if I stay quiet for now.”

I nod. “I understand. Then there is Noodle, still in pain after biting the wyvern. We think that gluttonous snake is trying to absorb some of that blood, and I think he’s started to change a bit.”

“I know you have some as well, from stabbing the hatchling.”

“I do. Me and Lily will use it to try to forcefully strengthen or evolve my blood trait, if possible, or share it with someone compatible from the group. There isn’t much of it, so I do not know yet.”

“Be careful.”

“As much as is reasonable,” I pause again, and this time the feeling is different, the kind that makes it difficult to talk. “Then there is Aaron. His body, his mana heart... all of it is gone. Now he is just a mind inside of his brother’s mind.”

“It is the better option out of the two.”

I nod again. “It is. That maniac even transferred all his stats to Dennis before his body got destroyed, so Dennis has now doubled his stats. Aaron can partially help him with some skills and stuff, too. So Dennis got a huge boost and jokes that he might enter Beyond if possible, though I think that joking helps him to not just curl into a ball and cry. Apparently, on later floors, you can get an individual quest to enter Beyond.”

“You can. It starts on the 10th with rare chances on lower ones. You don’t even need an upgraded difficulty change token anymore. Though at that time, usually much less time remains for you to explore Beyond or take advantage of its events or quests.”

“That much is obvious,” I say, deciding to complain a bit more. “If you saw that... Aaron jumped in to save Izzy. I failed to contain the lightning as the hatchling used my state after Biscuit disappeared against me. Without Aaron, Izzy would be dead. But now he is without a body, and no one knows if he won’t disappear soon, if he counts as an attendee, if the stats he shared with Dennis will stay, or if he can level up and get stronger. Lily could probably clone Dennis or slowly tear him apart piece by piece, like, tear off his arm, heal it, tear off his leg, heal it, use the torn parts to build a 'clone' we could just maybe use Sophie to transfer Aaron into. But that body would be without a mana heart, and I think without that mana, it would fail to keep that 'mind' alive. Even if we had Aaron’s brain and copied it perfectly, we would just be creating a copy of him. Saying it sucks underestimates it a lot.”

Ruby, who listens patiently, agrees. “It does suck a lot. Were you scared?”

“Of course I was. Scared shitless when I saw his body evaporate. I thought I had lost a friend. But what I feel is nothing in comparison to what he or his brother felt.”

“Don't dismiss your own scars. You’ve gone through a lot, too. You lost your bond, and your body continues to fail. You live with constant pain, and the pressure of knowing a single lapse in mana control could mean the end. On top of that, the burden of being the strongest falls entirely on your shoulders. Your planet, family, and life are threatened by that man, and things on Earth are getting changing as he establishes his base there and plans for decades, not just years. Before you ask: he is honoring his promise, and your family and friends are safe.”

“If you say it like that, it sounds like a lot,” I allow myself a breather, especially as I notice her reaching towards me and handling my mana in my stead. As she does, it feels like a constant hum in the background disappears, and some weight lifts off my shoulders, too.

Still, I look at her. “But it is something I have chosen through my free will. As for the things I didn’t, well, there is a lot I have gained that normal people can’t even dream of. It is obvious there would be a price for that.”

I examine one of the mana stones lying on her table. “I thought of it, Ruby. I often think that these things happen because I’m just not strong enough, and to some point, it is true. But then I also look up. At the Rulers, and at you, and I can’t help but think how pathetic all of you are. So I think that it would be the same even if I reached your level. Tied back by deals, goals, or straight up by the system itself.”

Her eyes narrow just as I look up from the table at her. “And I think, Ruby. When was the last time you truly did the utmost you could? I keep thinking of Lissandra as she was when I met her on the second floor. Satisfied with where she was. The strongest without a challenge, stepping back so the others of her planet could take over and prove their worth. And then I think that you, I, she, we are similar in a way. Right at this moment, I feel angry. Motivated. There are many things I want to do right away, promises of revenge I have to give, and promises to never let a thing like that repeat. Yet, I’ve felt like this before. These emotions will, after months, fade from a blazing flame into glowing embers. I think that’s just how humans and other beings are.”

She doesn't break eye contact or say anything, so I continue. “So, I think people like you or me have to remind each other of these feelings, of the emotions I feel right now. I don’t need it right now, so I do it for you and say: I think you can do more than you have done, Ruby.”

I allow these words to die off and look away from her. For a minute, we stay quiet just like that.

Then she speaks again, this time asking a question. “And why do you do all you do?”

There are many options I could answer, the usual ones, but for some reason, for a short moment, a memory of the lumoran Champion, Feroy, flashes in my mind in response to a similar question. Back then, he just spoke with that hint of gentleness in his voice.

“Because I’m a Champion of my people.”

To Ruby, I answer, “Because as long as I’m the strongest, no one can take anything from me or make me make choices I wouldn’t want to.”

“That’s good to hear,” she says. “Want to change the subject to something more lighthearted before you go?”

“Why not.”

“The Lycan you met on the 9th floor is the Ruler of Wrath, currently considered the 3rd or 4th strongest Ruler. People can’t decide who should be third, either him or me, though I think it is obvious.”

“It is obvious.”

“Good boy. So, fun fact: since Kindness and I were blocked after you ran to Beyond with his hand, you almost traded with him for it, instead of with Diligence.”

“Oh.”

“Yes, oh. Though amusing, I don’t think it would have been a very pleasant experience for you. Another thing. Would you like to know why he abstained from the votes for the new floor quest?”

“Please tell me.”

“He was too busy laughing his ass off after seeing Lust’s replica being obliterated by that Weredeer. Though in direct combat she is no better than an average Champion, it is quite a shame she got killed that way, especially as it was in a way caused by him.”

“How did she even become a Ruler?” I ask.

“The 10th floor has a two month duration. At the end of those months, the Champion would get the egg and gift it to her, where she would realize what it is. For her, it is a pleasant memory as she was able to charm a wyvern and, thanks to it, grow much stronger. Currently, she has tamed one more wyvern like that and many more powerful beings she added to her 'collection.' Yet, she remains weak in direct combat, even though her other strengths are quite impressive.”

“Are you sure you can tell me all that?”

“Today... I don’t care for the rules that much.” She moves her hands and, from one of the drawers, takes out glasses and puts them in front of us. Then, from the same place, she takes a bottle that shouldn’t logically fit there and pours us a liquid that is green with yellow sparks glowing inside.

I pick up my glass and take a sip, then another. For a moment, I close my eyes and enjoy the feeling of strange warmth spreading through my body, relaxing my control of mana even further. Ruby helps me control it to keep it from damaging my body, while the rest of it just seeps into the area. It’s something that would usually threaten the lives of even powerful people, yet there is no chance of it doing something like that to her.

“Want me to give you the fur pelts and wood you got from the Magi so you can take them with you to the 11th floor?” she asks.

“No,” I shake my head. “Please send them to Crimson Forge along with the Everwood. I will be back in a few days.”

“Will do,” she says, pouring us more.

I drink again and notice that the more I drink, the more numb my body and mind become in a strange way. All noises become slightly distant, and I become just a passenger.

“It must be expensive,” I note, taking another sip.

“Very. It is impossible to make more of it anymore.”

“Give me some so I can take it with me.”

“Ten million shards for a bottle.”

I pause just as I lift the glass near my mouth and look at her to see if she is serious. She seems to be.

So I just take another sip and then stand up to pour both of us more, making sure to fill my glass to the rim.

Next Chapter

Comments

Nerø

FINALLY!

quiet

TFTC

Bladehawk256

I'm happy I guessed correctly about Aaron being in his brothers mind! The stat transfer doh, that was smart

AmLegend

Sadge 😓😢

Dr.Awkward

Tftc! Thanks for the rollercoaster @Cerim

Blaumandele

WHO is cutting onions here ?!

Arsenii

biscuit being charmed :( sad times guys

Youkai-sama

Well. Now she ain't gotta manipulate him to go Warewolf huntin.

Terri Harris

Great chapter! Lots of questions answered. A few more questions added, but overall pretty satisfying. Tftc!

Fdrugc

Tftc one day I hope Nat asks Ruby how much being a ruler affects her personality.

Death56

Oh shit new ruler dropped

Alexikon

pettythaniel never misses

Adrian Rake

So, it was Wrath 😂 But, didn’t Nat get any traits or at least shards from the System for completing the 10th floor? 😳

Gwiddion

Will probably be explained later. I'm pretty sure at this moment he has other things on his mind and he couldn't Care less about any type reward even if it was a 4 passive combination token or 10 million shards.

Gwiddion

Highly doubt it. Else kindness would have let ruby intervene.

PDHABigDaddy

Hate to say it, but this has been a long time coming. There hasn't been a death, even a pseudo one, in team 4, in a long time. Last one was what, on floor 3? The one with the ants.

Arsenii

They all selfish … kindness want Nat go crazy and become strong enough to kill her. That’s my bet at least

PDHABigDaddy

Agreed. This is kind of a filler chapter to calm emotions for the reader.

PDHABigDaddy

I'm really enjoying the growth of their relationship.

J W

Long live Darron

Primo

You 100% right it sure rise the stakes although it's only because their tutorial is abnormal because of fuck ups, group 4 is pretty strong enough to clear a normal hell difficulty as long as they do reasonable stuff which we all know they won't cause they want to get stronger by jumping into crazy stuff

Michael Williams

One frustration i have is we seem to skip over events alot. For example getting to floor 11, seeing the aftermath and everyone's in the moment reactions. Still love what I'm getting, but would have loved to see it. Also, how dare you leave us hanging cerim. What is the new floor!!

Lance Beam

TFTC. PTSDthaniel’s PTSD going through the roof.

Oguz Kilcan

I want to see from Ruby's perspective what changed regarding taking control of Nat's mana after the 3rd trait.

Kyle

Biscuit is totally going to mooch off of Lust for the foreseeable future. He'll live the life as a noble lady's pet before waddling right back to Nathaniel as soon as he shows up. Lust is going to be pissed when that happens, which is probably why Ruby is giving out some strategic info now.

Konrad Pagacz

The dialogue between them is so well done. I am always a little bit hesitant about male writers writing female characters (and vice versa) because often the female character devolves into a fantasy fulfilling trope without her own personality. So far every female character in this series has been rock solid in terms of who they are. And I can name these things: Sophie being equally scare, disgusted and fascinated by her own power, Tess being a manipulative little leader, Maya with a feeling of being left behind and a more carefree attitude, Izzy with her overwhelming need to comfort people. It all fucking makes sense. Now comes Ruby, who I struggle to pinpoint. And I think it's good. Because she sounds conflicted. She is written as a conflicted character - one side she's ruthlessly following her greed, her plan to kill pride. On the other hand, there are moments such as the one in this chapter. When she's supportive, empathising, compassionate. And the beauty of it is we don't know - does she do it because that's what she thinks Nat needs now to become stronger in an optimal way, or is it just her attraction to him, her feelings for him, maybe just a want to become closer to him. If you think about it - she doesn't have to do it on her own, she could have found someone else to comfort him. But she consistently decides to foster intimacy between them, which is crazy to me. I don't know, maybe she believes that him being indebted and maybe in love with her is required for him to kill pride. Otherwise he wouldn't do it. Maybe it's all a ploy. It's messed up, isn't it? The fact that her wanting to be closer to him has possible more than one motivation. That's why kindness thinks she's lying. That's why she said to ruby that he might be enough for ruby but not enough for greed. I hope that Ruby is that and more. I hope she is a really well developed personality and doesn't become a meme villain at some point because I think she has one of the most tragic backgrounds from the cast. All that to say - well written, Cerim. It's again an exercise in show don't tell. By just showing us the dialogue and not explaining all the thoughts behind the words spoken you are putting ideas into our heads. Because we are human, we fill in the blanks and it makes this whole chapter so fucking much better. BTW: I love how self aware Nat is - those feelings will fade, etc. I love that he's not that no feelings or hyper positive shonen character. I love that he murders, I love that he wants revenge, I love that he's scared and I love that he's not only - power of friendship for the win or - everything comes to me super readily and I just own everyone. He knows his limits and when not to push people. This is the first time he flat out called Ruby out. I think our boy is growing.

DANDAN THE DANDAN

I say if we're counting death scares then the last time was Sophie

Arnon Parenti

Good wine, good company, good conversation, just what the doctor ordered, and whatever Lily The Bulldozer tells you to do, you do.

Miranoji

Wait a sec. Wasnt the Cinderbear the Ruler of Wrath? Or am I remembering wrong?

TDMC

Cinderbear is the Ruler of charity

Levi

By taking control of Nats mana, is sugar mommy technically dual cultivating with Nat?

Shyx

Ruby is a fantastic characer. She is conflicted in a perfect way. Which makes sense considering the absorbed the "imprint" (or whatever it was called) from the tutorial that interacted with Nat. So that part of her is not "millenia old and just met this guy" and is using him to kill pride or viewing him from a lot of emotional distance.

Adrian Rake

That’s a good one. 😂😂😂🥹

Gwiddion

I'm pretty sure anyone that got strong enough to do it would gladly do so. As it is pretty much a mercy killing. I doubt she needs to antagonize/motivate them with such moves. Also she said to ruby " there is no need to" to me that sounds like there is no need for ruby to intervene as some else is already on their way to do so. She would also probably offend ruby by leaving biscuit to lust, as this would interfere with ruby's beyond attendee. And we know she is claiming Nat as hers . Also we don't know how strong lusts charm has gotten now that she is a ruler. The controller champions got back to their senses but who is to say that if the same thing where to repeat that all the charmed people and creatures wouldn't be driven into a mad rage to kill the person that took away their princess.

Arsenii

Might be true actually . Maybe wrath will save the doggie just to reward group 4 for making him laugh hehe

I Is Patron

Diligence probably only cares about his colony. Wrath is a selfish asshole. Lust is a psycho. Envy is a piece of shit. Greed is very greedy. Kindness and Charity seem kinda cool. Anyway, my point is that most of these Rulers are just horrible people who honestly wouldn't give a damn about 'raising the next generation' so I am wondering what kind of insane incentives the system is giving them to make them administer the tutorial.

Nemesis

I agree. I think Ruby is my favourite female character in this series and I enjoy their dance. I personally hope to see her fill in the primary love interest role, but even if she doesn't their dynamic is great. In regards to the complexity in Ruby's actions, I think some of that may be explained by her taking on her 2nd floor self memories. I suspect they have almost formed a schism in her personality, a part of herself that was long left dead in the past reawakened because she dangerously chose to integrate with a floor replicas. One thing we have to consider, how were those memories integrated? Were they compartmentalised, added on as fresh, new memories? Or were they woven into her memories of her past? Despite being logically aware the events are integrated memories from a fake, does some part of her naturally remember a strange man showing up on Eladore in its final days and killing Lissandra's great-grandson as a factual truth of her past? Meeting Nat could be viewed as meeting an old friend from her now dead world, of which she has been the last survivor since her master died.

WINTEX

Yeah, sure, more useless drama. More retrospective. Sure, we dont want to read about events and consequences, we want to simple check the list of what happened. And of course spending half a million of shard just to return to a SAFE floor is wise as hell, MC dont need to become stronger, of couse not, he dont need to save his mom, yeah, let MC keep whining instead of simply giving that half s million to his team member to that member becoming stronger instead of burning them down. And of couse there is a little wywern blood to use, because HE DID NOT TAKE THE FUCKING BODY. And its like he does not know of same way to keep it, sending it to beyond right after moving to next floor. Because we need a useless drama. Oh no, he lost a dog, that he knew 3 years. Yeah. Terrible. Seriously, Nat is just a little bitch. Author keeps telling that MC is teady to do anything, but when this anything is really required his MC is just a little bitch. Saying that he can die for someone? The moment he created a duplicate that duplicate instead of helping MC to be even stronger, just being a bitch too and spent all his time on useless thing. I'd say this is a main problem with this novel, author put people in "hell" difficulty that dont belong there. Oh no, daddy beat MC and his mommy. Oh no, Tess has no friends. Ob, no, Likh has no friends and from poor family. Wow, so terrible. The valid reasons to put them in hell difficulty, sure. Corgi was not fed well, yeah, give him the primordial energy that can eat anything. Its so reasonable. Yeah, dont put in hell difficulty people who went through war, they dont deserve it, put some First World country problems, like having to work on teo jobs to feed a family. How terrible, hell experience. I'm surprised that there is no one in gell difficulty whose there because his pronouns was mispronounced or ignored, that is definitely some Ruler material.

Nemesis

I generally agree, but don't forget Sophie almost died around a year ago, and some of them were pretty badly banged up towards the end of floor 9.

PDHABigDaddy

You say all this, but still paying to read it. It's simple: don't like it, don't read it. That's why we have free will and all that jazz

j km

‘Your planet, family, and life are threatened by that man, and things on Earth are getting changing as he establishes his base there and plans for decades‘. Suggested edits - remove getting

Edmund Dillon

I love seeing the relationship between Nat and Greed. Tftc!!!

jobe matula

Nat would bully you, and then tell you to shut your whining ass up..

Connor

This guy would def die on the first floor

BNiz

Holy shit. This might be the worst baby rage I’ve ever read.

Josh Betts

Bro your 800 chapter deep paying 10 dollars a month you relize you can stop at any time right

Josh Betts

It gives system quest like eliminating threat to the system with rewards for there own specific goals but the most important it probably provides safety from deeming them a threat

Heraclitus

Having the next chapter after that shit show be this slow, soft, almost dissonant conversation is a super cool choice and fits surprisingly well. Like when characters in film are flashbanged or bombed and everything rings and shifts out of focus as they kind of stare out to the side. It shows more than Nate and co dramatically raging could, I think.

Andrew

Thank you!

BNiz

This might be the best comment on this book series I’ve read yet. Needed this after the bile someone else left. (I say this like it’s my own book lmao, but you rock)

Raymond

The true Hell Difficulty was reading this comment. If you have actually suggestions or constructive criticism, that’s one thing. This inane rambling doesn’t benefit anyone however.

Andika Pratama

Who hurt you today, genuinely asking..

Konrad Pagacz

That's another thing. Sometimes people struggle to remember events just after a super traumatic experience. They remember the experience in painful detail, but a week after - just skipped. It definitely happened to me and it wasn't just a week, lol. It's a cool writing device to portray how the events at the end of the 10th floor impacted Nat heavily.

Gwiddion

Man is there a lot wrong with your complaint. Most of all the tone. First if you are to invested into the story and feel annoyed by choices the author made. Take a quick pause for a few chapters what reads now as a sometimes choppy story will read way smoother than it feels like it at this point. Second this story is actually a lot about how Nat is changing over the course of the story. Floor 2 Nat would have just kept going. Him embracing his feelings for his group is what will ultimately push him way more than just a normal desire to be the best. Third yes Nat should have taken the Corpse with him but so should have biscuit done the same. They were both grieving and occupied with their own feelings than thinking purely rational. Fourth he didn't really waste the shards for one he got clarification that biscuit isn't in beyond, small chance that he was. For the other it was to be expected that after such a momentus floor he would get a longer talk with ruby meaning more information. As in regards to the last part of your tantrum. I have no real comment as it's to dumb.

Frotzy

Seems abit out of character for Nat to go to beyond and use a stay token for half a million rather than just use the 1 day token, unless good reason why not able to leave floor that long but checking for doggo. While yea, he is hurting as fck, he is usually good with money unless his pride is involved.

Frotzy

Maybe more than anything else, not bringing the hachling corpse to the next floor seems off. Anything not bolted down is a core rule

YaBoiiSloth

Yeah either Wrath or Charity are going to help out probably. Or Biscuit pretends to be charmed lol

Tommy Hennessy

I can’t tell if it’s a legit relationship or she’ll betray him in the end as a tool she’d just been cultivating.

Majulla

This bothered me along with the hand/finger and were deer corpse as well. Very out of character for all the characters these last chapters to create this retrospection interaction, which is why it feels so forced, but the author has the vision. Characters agency has been reduced significantly for the goal of creating tension or conflict.

Primo

I genuinely hope whatever you are going through, it gets better

Zlef

I think after the disaster of with the weredeer it makes sense for them to be hesitant/unwilling to bring powerful body parts to the next floor. Also does he even have a 1 day token as an option? The tokens are extended based on the rank of the guilds, right?

Erebus

Thank you for the chapter 🙂

Th3Defiant

This dude is for sure looking for attention. To be this far along in the story and still have such a negative outlook is crazy. Hundreds of chapters. Hours of your life and you want to take all that effort you put in and choose to be angry. I pity you

Ivan Jelenić

I think it's best to not get the POV of the strongest characters. First, as a writer it's insanely hard to put yourself in the shoes of basically immortal beings that lived for eons. How can you know what such a being thinks? They're as removed from us as we are from a rock. Second, it increases the feeling of mystery and awe, in the readers' minds. Third it allows a bit more freedom to the writer as they don't tie themselves down by revealing the powerful character's thoughts.

Ivan Jelenić

But, for Sophie, that was Beyond, not Hell. They can coast through Hell unless they do something stupid like the 10th floor + some bad luck. But they won't, because Adrian/Chris. They will continue to take risks.

Ivan Jelenić

That's a really good question. Which she probably can't answer beyond the basic "I'm a bit different".

Mark Bullock

Most Nat has ever spoke; wow

Tab

Real heavy last two chapters. I wonder if all this trauma is setting up for something important floor rewards? They did complete a extra difficult floor quest after all.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Idk if you timed it by choice, but I feel this chapter being the thursday one is the best possible config. If it was still mid fight, I could see it having a cliffhanger. I feel like a cliff would have cheapened the moments, or make it hit less hard. I feel like whenever there'a a cliff while someone is in danger, it just gets lowered and calms a bit the next chapter. (Maybe it's my imperfect memory and someone did die or serious long lasteling trouble happened after a cliff, but I dont remember). So, a great moment to have that serious emotional connection. (So doubly well done in placing an emotional convo after, and having it be at thursday's). See Haraclitus comments bellow. (About this chapter being slow is a good thing) And this way, we still keep some mystery about the 11th floor. So plenty of reason to want to come back.

Tishane :Imperial MageKiller

Gr8 chapter and im glad my theory about the twins worked out nkt the way I expected bu close enough I hope they can make him a body to take over re grow him one lol it would be cool if Nats fragment could grow a body in the future considering its a tree 🌳

RJ

I wonder when his body will finally evolve to make it better than the mana physic he has, he is running out of time.

Primo

Maybe if he is still counted as a community chat member he can get a body before tutorial end, liss was able to make a mana heart with overpowered remains on 6th floor too for herself and another for her disciple, exciting possibilities ahead indeed

Yvng Dante

The irony of you being significantly more whiny than the character you call whiny is kinda hilarious to me. Also, you are 800 chapters in, paying to read this monthly, if it took you this long to decide you don’t like the story then you just might be a tad slow, something to consider. Also, it is clear that you have never had trauma in your life because making fun of problems you think are beneath you is not doing you any favours personality wise, it just sounds like you are a whiny asshole with too much time and money and their hands. Also I think it is pretty valid for him to go to beyond because a part of him needed to know if biscuit was there, furthermore it is also very realistic for them to not take the body considering what happened on this floor due to the body parts they brought along.

Primo

Bringing a baby wyvern with near champion level on the next floor where they don't know where they will spawn and fuck the normal floor process that could now revolve around champions trying to snatch the wyvern remain is the dumbest thing Nat could do after all that tbh

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

It seems like a long running and serious issue if you dislike stuff like First world country in Hell difficulty. And call emotional moments "more useless drama". Another comment went well in the more useless drama counter. Keyword: Nat floor 2. I'd add that while some says: You would be stronger if you stayed alone, nat says: I'm stronger because of my group. And him being human is a step in the way to prove that. Let's start with the complaint I agree the most with: Lack of vets or characters who survived "harsher" stuff. [I'll talk about the wyvern corpse, what seem to be your most hated point after the ===]. There's still the mark of talent. And inborn talent does not really care about the circumstances. Biscuit doesnt have that PE because he was not well fed. (If thats why, it's dumb, so many more starved). He was a being born with the potential of having it, so he unlocked it. The hell difficulty requires both talent and a strong mindset. And if I remember correctly, the whole bus was taken. A lot of people in that bus where probably not meant for Hell. They were just casualties. And there are probably vets in the other groups. Hadwyn, wasn't he a cop? Some cops are ex vet. Though he's young. He was in his 20s too. Not enough time. The only reason against vets is: Not a lot of people are >30s. (I think) Maybe there should more older character and there should be some vets, cancer survivor, people who escapes from north korea and other really tragic shit. (Kinda weird and hard to compare harshness. Especially stuff you survive as a kid, vs stuff you survive as an adult. ) But realistically, people born in though third world country, especially ones with famines and war should have hella strong mentality. And their sheer population means at least half the talent comes from there. (Naturally, it might be hard for cerim to write such characters given the different experiences. Maybe now he'd do a ton of research and other stuff to really look into it. And since the story is in place and he doesn't have to invent so much as in the early story, it might be addable). Returning on Talent And Mindset from above: Probably should be more vets or other character like that (since mindset is also a very important thing, so should be more people who survived the thoughest shit). Even now though, cerim can add them. If not from earth, then other planets. Beyound attendees is a good place to add characters. *And we don't know the backstory of everyone yet.* So, yes, 1 well written vet character would have been and is a good addition to the story. (Maybe there is one but we forgot. In which case, the criticism is that they should have been more prominent). But alas, that's a decision from long ago. Not much we can change. And cerim probably got better as he wrote. Such early story "errors" are understandable. And as I said, cerim got better and since it's a valid criticism, he has ways to add them now if he wants too. It wasn't really a bad element, more a lack of a good one. === The main thing that seems to annoy you right now is: He didn't take the wyvern corpse. And I would usually agree with that. I hate when the reward of a truly harsh fight is not taken, and when they don't kill confirm an enemy. However, the kill was confirm, and nat left after, so there was no danger of back stabbing and returning. Thats the worst part gone. Furthermore, this whole incident happened because of the fingers. So I feel it's reasonable that for once, they do not repeat it. (Even if selling it to ruby in beyound might be safe. But seeing as he stayed 1 day before going to beyound, he probably does not want to keep it for 1 day in the 11th floor. And given the fight and the new environment, group 4 is probably very tired and weak. So, I'm not sure about him leaving for beyound immediatly once they appear). Over all, it's not the most efficient way. Now, he could stay in beyound for 1 day (if he has a 1 day stay token, if he doesn't, it's understandable he returns). If he didn't want to stay 1 day, he could have had sold the wyvern corpse and came back. (However, to be safe, they don't know if a wyvern hatchling corpse is something immediatly detectable.) You might say it's a risk worth taking to become stronger. And that everything has a risk of instant annhilat8on, so they shouldn't stop doing stuff. To which I reply: That event just happened. So, it's understandable to take a riskless single day of healing. Usually, I say _ is a cope and excuse for character bad decisions. (_ = emotional reasons and characters aren't omnisicient and hindsight 20/20) But not in this case. However, if there's a similar kill on floor 11, I expect them to take it to floor 12. Again, the flames are present. Nat and group 4 has to restart being pushed and efficient. But taking a single day of taking it safe isn't completely unreasonable. And again, floor 2 nat would have probably continued. He would have sold that. But he's different now. Idk what you mean about event and consequence vs a chrcklist of what happened. That checklist is just a way to tell the consequence of the event we just witnessed. === Over all, if you truly dislike a majority of the story, I do recommend you drop it. It's not worth your time and money to follow the sunk cost fallacy.

WINTEX

@Poutine Au Syrop d'érable thats the problem with wewern body, Nat is not the only who could sell, even more he was the only one who COULD NOT. He used a Tutorial Stay Token, meaning until it's expired he is forced to be in Tutorial. Because he still has forced 9 day stay in beyond due to his beyond mission. Meaning, if Nat wants to return to tutorial, until those 9 days expired, he WILL NEED to spend another 500k points. That is the problem. He did not "went to beyond to look for a Biscuit", but, most likely, forced out of tutorial as his previous tutorial stay token expired. Thats it. And now he needs to stay in beyond 9 more days. Or, as i said, spend another 500k points. That is where stupidity is. For a person who is praised by both LissLiss and Ruby, aint he's a little bit too stupid? He needs that body of that wywern, because if 11th floor is dangerous, HE NEEDS POINTS TO KEEP ON STAYING THERE. For a person who is "ready for anything", he's simply ready for nothing. Just because his whining ass "sad" he keeps on risking other lives. Take the wywern, give it to Tess the moment u cross the portal and tell her to move to the beyond and wait for further instructions. Thats it. Or Lily, as shes the healer and can take keep blood or other stuff if needed. That way if the wywern is sold he can ensure the safety of his group as he'll have money on new stay tokens or if the floor is safe, will have the blood to make eveyone stronger. As a leader he does not need to be a spokesmen of his group, but can he at least use his brain a little bit? "Oh, no, Biscuit is gone" Then maybe giving full body to a Ruler will get him answers? Or he expects Ruby to answer every single of questions every single time for free? Oh, wait, she actually does. The Ruler of GREED answers on all of questions for free. How convenient. But yet again, he had no idea that she would aint it?

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Above was 1 giant comment Countering your arguments, and whatever argument you might come back with. I had to go back and forth (scroll up and down) as I write it, adding sections. So there might be some imperfrct flow or repetition. I already spent a lot of time on it, moving and merging sections. So tolerate the little repetition.

WINTEX

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable, no worries, i'd say you're the only one who've read it, well, and remember the novel itself. But yes, Nat most likely canceled his Tutorial Stay token with another beyond token, which means he is forced to stay 9 days there now, thats the main problem. And concerning the "start being efficient", aint it's a little bit too late? They are already on 11th floor out of 13. Aint it too late to start using their head? To be efficient? To be cautios in the end? It's not the first time when MC loses somehting because he yet again start being dramatic. Like with the situation with his duplicate.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

It's certainly a good thing to explain that lust REALLY sucks in direct combat. Like, directly talking about it and formalising it. If even the current lust is a just medium champion in a direct fight. More information on why the WereDear was so good at cancelling her mental attacks would be nice. Because it should be weaker in a direct fight under psy attacks due to split mental strength. Maybe we'll learn that wrath's bloodline is a massive psy counter later. And since she got surprise attacked, its possible the weredear was only mid champion strength. (Though surprise attacks shouldn't be as effective on the truly strong). Which rise champions stock, given mid champion have space surpassing attacks. And biscuit going all out blocking a mid champion level attack is foreseeable. Whereas a mid absolute level attack is not. (Not gonna go into it again. Though I'd say you still need near absolute level power to affect the tutorial, even for a second, and even with a specific PE. Unless we have (or cerim already has in his mind) like 3 chapters worth of explanaition about why the Empyrean were removed and Pantophagic wasn't. Just being rarer isn't enough. The system's attitude isn't that lazy and milktoast). (Hhmm, but the ruler did say "Oh yeah, the first encounter with a non nerfed absolute is rough"). And the dear did beat the champions on the planet... Though it wasn't an insta stomp... Maybe they were weak champions? And didn't the dear push back the adult wyvern? (Even if it's old, it's still absolute level. Weak absolute bare min). So, was the dear absolute or champion level? === Anyway, I added this comment because I had something positive to say. But As I remembered the signs of the weredear being absolute level, it stopped being a positive and started being a "Im confused" comment.

NatXLily

LONG LIVE NOT DAARON

Budgie

idk why he'd waste a token and 500k shards The floor shouldn't be dangerous for the group at the start and he was portraied to trust Biscuit with his decision in the fight.

Cody

I believe it was implied that the token he used to go back to the 10th floor had a time limit, like beyond tokens. So I assume the time ran out and that’s why he went back to beyond, and he doesn’t want to stay in beyond at the moment so he’s heading back to the 11th floor.

B-Slam

I think I agree with everything you said about Ruby but the romantic angle. I think Ruby just wants a friend after how long being alone. That can relate to bring Liss disciple.

ProfessorCat

Wow, what utter nonsense. Dude, you do realize that a good story has more to it than just action and drama, right? This chapter ties up the arc and gives it a great conclusion so that we can enter the next arc refreshed and with no loose ends. It is perfect for that purpose and part of what makes Cerim's writing so good; he isn't afraid to let the story cool down temporarily. Also, Nat's actions make sense. He doesn't want a repeat of the 10th floor by bringing the wyvern, and even if he took it to beyond immediately, that would mean leaving group four behind after a catastrophic fight in potentially hostile territory. Even more than that, he just saw one of his friends sacrifice themself with their fate uncertain, another friend lose her arm, and another one die. There might be other injuries as well. To focus on profit under those circumstances would go against all of Nat's character growth. It would be heartless. Not to mention, this could've been like the 8th floor with a ban on beyond. Visiting Ruby to talk about stuff and immediately return afterwards is also reasonable, because Nat really needed to talk to someone and try to learn about what happened to Biscuit (also, this could have been his tutorial stay token running out, as someone else keenly pointed out). Paying half a million shards was stupid, but Nat is thoroughly exhausted, both mentally and emotionally. Even though Ruby told him to stay, even for a few more minutes, he just couldn't bring himself to care. Besides, they are super rich now. Half a million shards is nothing to them right now. And what determines the floor someone ends up on isn't their life experiences, it is their innate talent. Literal children and animals got into hell difficulty while disciplined soldiers are in hard difficulty due to this. It was made clear very early on. If you are going to complain about this story, at least try to read it. I can't comprehend why you would pay for a subscription when you so clearly haven't read any of this. Surely, rage baiting isn't that fun.

thisisniall

Rulers deciding which parts of their life should be their floor arc: Charity: Pre-system life, the beginning of integration Greed: Nostalgia for her homeworld, a civilization at the height of its powers before its inevitable fall and me + my masters universe tour of murder Kindness: I may have fucked up Diligence: Be careful what you make, because someone made me Envy: Look how cool I am for surviving the weird future Absolute game Wrath: My backstory, you ask? I used to live in a garbage pit.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Yes. You are right about the stay token ending, meaning he was forced back to beyound. So we have a question: If you have a beyound 1 week, then use 7 1 day tutorial stay token, does it cancel your beyound, or will you need to spend 7 days in beyound total? That massively changes the cost of repeatedly staying in the turorial. However, if he is forced to stay in the tutorial for 1 day, the wyvern corpse is a much bigger risk. It really did not take long for the fingers to have an effect. If I'm saying having it be there for just 5s is dangerous and I understand he doesn't want the danger, then keeping it on the new floor for 1 day is too dangerous. And I'd say it's dangerous enough for Nat to be willing to spend and lose 1 million shards. But just as beyound stay token can be cancelled with tutorial stay token, it's possible he could have canceled it again. How long was it again? 1 day right? Another thing. It's not that they should start using their head at floor 11. They always did. They always took whatever was not bolted down to the continent. (Sometime took floor pieces lol). I'm saying, it's fine to take a hit and take it safe for a little bit after such an event. But they need to return to being the insane self putting in danger, self pushing loot goblins they always were afterward, and as nat's said to Greed, he will become an even bigger loot goblin and self pushing man. (Just after that small moment of rest) But that flame might diminish in a couple months, so he wants ruby and co to remind him again. (And he likewise reminded ruby that she too can push herself). Also, as for why ruby answers stuff for free. That my man is a simple answer. She loves him. When she merged with the memory of clone floor 2 ruby it started. I wouldn't say she loves him that much. And also, just like nat's pride happens in a specific way thats non traditional, so does ruby's greed. It certainly is a unique connection/relationship for a ruler to have some feeling for him.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Oh yeah. I do not remember exactly what happened with the duplicate. But I can say this. The duplicate becoming more human was ... (fuck I hate it when I forget the words at that moment). well, a classic literary move. Someone ironic and wholesome? Something that points at nats true character. It might not have been the most efficient selfish wise. But I wouldn't call it bad. (Again, not only did I forgot some event with the duplicate, but even the words I wanted to use relayed to him). === One thing is certain though, the story did lose the tone and genre of the early books. But that makes sense lorewise. Because they pushed themselves to above the needed difficulty starting from floor 2 or 3, they put tomorrows hardship as today. The truth is, they caught up to hell difficulty really early, and that tone of extreme hardship and danger only continued because rhey went above what was needed. But now, other then rare moments, the tone doesn't quite reach it. (Well, some moments actually were tensed and were solved somewhat deus ex machina). It seems cerim got attached to his characters. And there's less fat too trim. So, it's hard to permanently kill off a main character. We'd need someone from another group to die.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Anyway, it's certainly true that it will cost a lot to constantly pay for X and Y stay token to move about. (And it's sad that I'm the only one who has actually listened to your comment about that). A single one is definetly something nat can pay for. Given the circompstance, he's rich enough and pure shards aren't that good for growth.

Krish Gupta

You definitely have a point, but several things to consider. If Lust's straight combat ability as a ruler is mid champion, as a likely low-mid absolute (I'm placing Elian and the Lycan as high-peak), Nat could probably kick her teeth in. Considering the bullshit we've seen peak absolutes do, it's possible their remnant could drop that level of entity. Remember, powerful doesn't mean durable, as seen by Nat's hummingbird constitution. Also, just because the deer is an absolute, doesn't mean it was going all out to kill Nat. Would you use all your power to swat a gnat? Not to mention. Biscuit absolutely is a monster, it's been stated as such by multiple incredibly powerful entities. Personally, I clock Bambi at high champion level, like Feroy. Feroy, weakened and at death's door, was able to stave off and kill multiple champion level entities. Peak Feroy was likely a serious threat, one that could conceivably slug it out with a weak absolute, just like Nat can to a certain degree fight a weak champion.

Kevin

What? Because biscuit is gone and Aaron is essentially dead right now. He wanted to talk to Ruby, so he did.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Yes. The deer not going all out is obvious. But I'd add to your point and say that the dear probably went bellow average on that attack. And yes, constitution is a very good point. If lust went the exact same way nat did, except rather then for mana, which is universally universal (lol), the yeah, she'd be even weaker. === I thought about biscuit, and wrote a 2100 words long file (I'm keeping it in a note. Might polish and upload some day). But one point I realised is: In the early books, rather then having the joke chapter where Biscuit eats everything and bevomes the one above all, (which push my idea that he was just a joke character) If we had a genuine biscuit pov chapter where biscuit is shown going out of his way to train, doing it secrelty to not worry group 4, and where it's explained that his fighting is done while digesting the enemy, thats where he's really fighting for his life. And that this kind of abilitiy doesn't cause huge explosions. (So group 4 didn't see it from afar). So he too is doing insane shit like construct, and that he copied some of Nat's mana training and heard some stuff Lissandra said, and that he too is bleeding from his skin pores in secret. You know, going into how biscuit is secretly training and having insanely hard fights to protect his friend. And he only returns once he feels he's okay and he can hide it. That would have been so good. And it would have added so much depths to the jokes. === If we had that, and we take into account all the possible attenuating factors, then I'm fine with the feat. What bothered me was the portrayal as a joke character. And the lack of training (which later got fixed arround book 4), but the lack of hard fight with visible effects didn't start untill too late. Sorry for the ramble. But that was genually heartfelt. And I wanted to add it.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

By Bambi, do you mean the WereDear, or the earlier one Biscuit ate while it was in acid chain on floor 5?

Vinnie

Bro come on, made me think he was dead, only to be alive

Melih

I'd recommend rereading chapter 714, it was from Ruby's POV "I don’t want to stain him with my hopes and my failures."

Ralph

He could still fade away...

Val the mysterious Jedi

This is a fun way to expand on lore, makes the world feel real and shows God's are flawed and petty

Jeff Foarde

Also, we've had evidence that the tutorial is a construct of the Rulers, not the System. Yes, it uses System rules, but it's more like a combined Ruler [Mainfestation] or something. So breaking it isn't even close to breaking the system. They've spoken how it didn't used to exist. So the idea that pre-System powers could specifically interfere with the Tutorial doesn't inherently mean that the System finds them inimical. Cerim also hasn't gotten into whatever detente that the Pimordial powers have with the System, but while it eliminated the Empyreans, that wasn't automatic. It was in response to how they chose to use their powers. Had they submitted to the system perhaps they wouldn't have had the kill quest put out. We may find out that Fenrir is satisfied with waiting until the heat death of the universe or something to devour everything, letting his descendants enjoy existence and by extension he doesn't care about the System.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

True. If we see an entire chapter's worth of lore, spread out over time about how fenrir and the power house who use it don't really fight back against it and are just fine with it, it could explain. But that lore needs to be already preped. But you are right. The tutorial being easier to influence then the system might be another reason. It takes a long list, but it might add up.

Nemesis

On a related note, does that mean Adrian also dual cultivated with Nat during his body upgrade? 😛

Andika Pratama

Ok so 2 things.. 1. The team (and nat by extension) is somewhat traumatized by bringing body parts to next floor.. biscuit gone and aaron dies because of it literally minutes ago 2. If you remember the envy floor (forget which one, 8 i think), they cannot move to beyond during the whole floor.. which make bringing body parts to next floor with the intention of selling it on beyond a risky endeavour

Riot89

Floor rewards better be crazy good for surviving that shit storm

Thariaus

Ruby Said she was the third strongest ruler we know pride is the strongest, did we know who is the second?

Vik221

Cinderbear- ruler of charity

Kirin

Thank you for the chappie!

Oliver Martens

Hey Cerim, I usually really love chapters with someone being an absolute powerhouse, in a way dominating everything. Thank you for providing a lot of those in this story. I write this comment because I am irritated, how much I like this chapter. It is entirely different from my favourite kind of chapter but after so much time with Nat and Ruby too it just feels so wholesome. I would even say it is one of my if not the favourite chapter of mine. So I guess I just want to say TFTC.

Flo Zilla

I think Greed chose that time to allow Lissandra copies to do exactly what they do.

NatXLily

dont forget lust- I miss how cute my baby was when i could hold him in my arms.... so snuggly

NatXLily

or kindness who is unkillable

Thariaus

I see kindness just unkillable but in a battle she is not that strong among the ruler she just can’t die

thisisniall

Shards are just very relatively low value to Nat at the moment. He needs like 20 million to get a meaningful upgrade (low pristine passive), and racks up Beyond stay tokens basically at will since they're 'standard' portions of beyond quest completion rewards and he has a stockpile from tanking his constitution. Sure, he is 'throwing away money', in the sense that he could be saving up for a passive, but in isolation its essentially a trivial price for him, especially for even a *potential* lead on a way to fix the apparent death of a teammate and verify the location of his bond. Remember he was willing to give Weslin ALL of his more >2 million shards at the time just to throw down with Luan and Faora

Gutz

You forgot Lust: I built a Harem :D

Blooper

I think it was mentioned at some point that Sloth, if he ever got serious, would be behind only Pride, so maybe it's him? Dunno, my memory has let me down a few times this week

Gutz

I think i didn't understand something here: did he really spend 10 million shards for that bottle or is he being a jerk by drinking more for free here ? :D

Adrian Rake

Of course he drank for free. Don't you know Nat by now?

Krish Gupta

Ah yeah, I should specify, Bambi refers to the Lycan Weredeer. I also do agree with your opinion on Biscuit, we've seen everyone's training arc but his. Its possible that the Pantophagic energy is just that natively powerful, but it's definitely a stretch. My running assumption is that biscuit was at joke character levels of power until the devoured the floor 5 champion deer, at which point he gained his current level of shenanigans.

Zed

I didn’t like the writing choices for the last two chapters. Like they say “show, don’t tell”, it would have been way better if we experienced all of this instead of being told.

Chun

The framework of battles in this novel is mostly based on rock paper scissors. Nat at this point can basically solo low champions who specialize in mana, but if he were to go against, say a champion who doesn’t use mana at all and something else like primordial energy or fragments, there’s no way he would stand a chance. His advantage comes from denying his opponents the use of their mana (like the champion on fifth floor beyond and the baby wyvern), so if a champion doesn’t use mana at all, while he might still be able to put up a fight and survive he wouldn’t be able to beat them. This is all to say that whenever some champion/absolute gets curb stomped you have to take into account their skill sets and that of the opponents. As for the weerdeer, I just think that since it’s ‘reanimated’ it doesn’t really have a mind of its own, more like a zombie, so lust wasn’t able to charm it. Another possible explanation is from another commenter a chapter back, that: since the lycan was able to “resist” the system mind wipe and still move off just sheer instincts, it would make sense that the deer inherited some of that from the fingers. It also helps to know that the lycan eventually becomes the ruler of wrath. It was also said that the lycan has one of the strongest bloodlines in the verse, so 🤷‍♂️ Ruby even said lust’s *direct* combat power is mid champion, so it isn’t that big of a stretch for the deer to kill her by surprise attack.

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

It's good to had attenuating factors, but: My entire point is even with compatibility advantage, you need to be somewhat relative to it. A bellow champion being does not affect the tutorial no matter how many cope you give. (Hence the word cope). And that for biscuit to get to that level, it would be bad writting for him to do so by just casually existing. That would imply a nonsensical level of talent. My point is that to get to that level, in that short a time, without prior experience, without a prior plan, without education, even with near pride level of talent, you'd need a near Nat level mentailty in term of training and fights. (if a weak new champion is 1 and a top+peak champion is 2, nat is like 0.8-0.9, Adrian is like 1.3, and Biscuit is like 1.4, at least 1.3) (And these numbers for biscuit are what we get if we are the most generous possible in terms of nerfing WereDear, and buffing PE and every other factors. If we aren't massively generous, it could be seen as a near absolute level feat. Like champion 1.8-1.9, or low absolute level feat). If biscuit was doing crazy shit like nat, or tried to do it in secret, but the signs still obviously popped up and we got more and more of them. The earlier story would have been very different. Biscuit can't be bellow champion in strength and do those two feats. Nat did mana heart and brain self surgery on the third floor. Self fucking brain and heart surgery. Biscuit was having mid to slightly hard fights tops for 90% of the story. And then he starts eating champions. Litteraly, before the moment biscuit became a deus ex machina to defeat champions the crew have no way to fight, he never had any hard fights. No hints, not a biscuit pov chapter, no massive explosion in the distance, no finding destroyed landscape, no biscuit returning severly injured. (Nat loses limbs so much its a running gag!) Again, we had a joke chapter that just endlessly glaze biscuit rather then showing us biscuit doing the crazy shit in secret. Like if Cerim seriously wanted biscuit to be such a character from the start, if he seriously wanted him to massively surpass nat and grow even faster then a planned god like reincarnator abusing the system, if he just thought : He'd get to that level without seriously pushing himself, then he's ridiculous with talent, might as well make biscuit the mc of a trashy harem xianxia chatgpt copy paste. And if he wanted biscuit to have pushed himself to crazy level, then he showed no hints of it. There were barely any hints that biscuit was doing crazy shit. Again, he just unlocked peculiar abilities. Not op ones. Levels of training anywhere near nat, and same for the fights would have had massive implications on the story. These fights would have had a tons of signs. Which is why I went and bent ass backward and did cerim's job for him and gave excuses for why the fights biscuit secretly did without us being told or even having hints about it were not sensed. [Ie, his training is done during digestion, so his fights are very quick, he went away and had those in secret, he waited to have healed to return, he is completely fighting for his life during digestion, his brain nearly melting, ... ] Cause otherwise, the fights would have had massive signs. (And thats assuming biscuit goes away from his team for long amount of time and and very frequently. And he also goes super far away so the signs aren't sensed. Which we don't even have hints at. We'd have had at least a single suspiscious comment about biscuit suspiciously going away for long period of times very often. (See my previous comment. I highlited it). Or, biscuit was in contact with Fenrir from chapter 10 and was getting spoonfed education about the way forward. Like a little baby. But at this point, it's so many levels of head canon just to excuse a bad decision, that it should have been explained. The two reasons given in the chapter are ones I thought of in advance. I do not call shit : Insane, ridiculous, or nonsense casually. I do so when I've thoughts of thousands of possible reasons, made excuse on top of excuse, searched for every attenuating factor, every cope, every possible interpretation. When I made tons of mental model and head canon trying to explain something and when I see all of them fail. And not barely fail. But all of them fail nowhere near the finish line. I genually like the story, why would I not try to give it every advantage possible in my interpretation?

Poutine Au Syrop d'érable

Even then, a ruler level feat (of interacting with the system and tutorial) dropping to mid champion level is already pushing it to the extreme. Like we are talking about 1 shot^3++ level of difference. Even with the most generous offer. Ruler 1 shot some mid tier absolute. Which one shot a low tier absolute. Which 1 shot a mid tier champion. Dropping from ruler level to low absolute is already a huge difference and compatibility advantage. Did the empyrean even have an advantage this big? If that wasn't a huge compatibility buff, and Ruler -> Low absolute was just slightly high advantage, and the system was that milktoast about being disadvantage, then so many low absolute would be able to interact with it. I mean, with Ruler -> Mid champion, then Fenrir (assuming that's the world eating wolf's name) could probably eat the tutorial in two bites. And if it's ruler -> low champion, wtf are we talking about. Again, such level of compatibility advantage is nonsensical without having chapters worth of content explaining why it's allowed.

Néstor Rocha

Well. At least we didn't lose Ayayron. And I'm glad Biscuit is alive. I really hope that he just shows up one day. No consequences as he delat with them off-screen. it really adds to the mystique of the future Absolute of earth and obsolute best boy doggo in the entirety of the tutorial, beyond and the multiverse. For realsies though, I'm glad he didn't die. I might have saltily dropped the series had that happened. And that says a lot since I only guarantee a drop if a series pulls a few of my most despised tropes on the mc or main characters I like. Like memory loss, mind control, or more recently kiling a main love interest that the mc has to spend the rest of the novel trying to revive.

Katonwolf

There is no chance that Biscuit is dead. And he better return to Nat! It's gonna happen

True-Guesser

100%. Can’t have HDT without Biscuit.

wolf Bound

We love a bi king 🤣