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Stranger Things S05Ep 08- FULL REACTION (Patreon)

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Veljko

Yeah, as you said, a lot of unanswered things and plot holes. But all in all, not a bad ending. I don't know if you noticed, but the girl that asked Dustin to come to the party was that same girl that refused to dance with him back in S2 finale (when Nancy danced with him). Also, when Karen called Joyce to tell her she doesn't know where Mike is, it's a throwback to S1 when Joyce called her to ask about Will. Pretty much the same words 😁 As for Eleven, we don't know if she's alive or not. We hope that she is, but we have no confirmation. The only ones who know are the Duffer brothers and Millie (who btw has been instructed to not tell Noah the truth because he can't keep a secret 🤣). The story Mike said makes sense on one hand, but on the other, I mean, Kali was very far away from Eleven, so can she really reach that far away, especially because she was basically half dead already from getting shot. So it's kinda questionable if she was able to reach that far in her state. But, as pretty much everyone, I believe 🙏🏻 Here's a bummer. Dr. Kay is alive 😑 They should've killed her, but no. She is alive. And somehow, the military released all of them. I get that there was no reason to keep them (since the idiots wanted Eleven), but still, they got released pretty easy.

CJ

After hearing your take on Vecna i really would love for you to watch the anime My Hero Academia

Josh Z

Since you asked, the origin of the rock will be explored in a live-action spin-off. It will take place in a different town and time period, and will have its own lore and mythology. As for the episode itself here is some behind-the-scenes information. The last scene was always planned as the main party leaving the basement. The movie Max and Lucas watch in their brief flashforward is the supernatural romance drama Ghost (1990) very good film that very much makes sense as the movie date for them. Only the duffers and Millie Bobby Brown know Eleven’s true fate which is purposely left ambiguous so the audience can decide for themselves. The Prince songs used in the final episode are the first time ANY of his songs have ever been used in another Tv show.

Ricardo B,

A very uneven(and maybe unnecessary) season, but that little epilogue saved it. They went back to the early theme: the nostalgia and innocence of childhood, the way it deals so differently with fear and uncertainty. Love that.

Edo

Ya the last half of this season was a long, jumbled, chaotic story with too many characters and some odd scene choices. I don't hate it or anything hte way a lot of people seem to...but it wasn't as strong as it could have been for me. However, I'm in agreement with others that they nailed the last 5-10 minutes w/ the goodbyes and the acting and the tears and the flash forwards. And the theme music coming back at the end? amazing. really hits u in the feels how fast time flies by. I feel like Stranger things was Gen Z's Harry potter franchise where you got to see the children grow up to be young adults.

Smooch

“Life has been so unfair to you” then proceed to kill her off. What an absolute dumpster fire of an ending. They made her form friendships, fall in love and gain a family, to show that she’s a person and not a weapon like she was made to believe by her abusers. Her journey wasn’t about saving the world but about finding her place in it. Only to undo her entire arc and emphasise that she was, in fact, a mere l weapon all along by having her sacrifice herself because she can’t escape and is innately harmful because of her blood. After suffering years of abuse and dehumanization the solution for the exploited, disabled, bullied 16 year old girl was to commit suicide because her existence is a burden. What a disgusting message to send to your viewers. It’s bio determinism, anti recovery and a pro suicide narrative framed as realism. Max skateboarding in the epilogue after going blind + having all her limps snapped clean in two and graduating despite having been in a coma for 2 years. Will being unaffected when Henry died despite his connection to the hive mind. Hopper and Nancy facing 0 legal repercussions after mass murdering soldiers and Hopper just continuing being chief of police. But El running away with Mike and hiding until the military dismantles the operation is what’s unrealistic according to the Duffers. Mind you she successfully hid herself for the entirety of s2 and even when she went to a public school in s4 the government still couldn’t find her. Speaking of Mike, he lost every ounce of character development since the writers legitimized all his fears and concerns ruining yet another character arc. S3 Mike was right they all did treat her like a machine in the end. Hopper framing El’s suicide as a choice and telling Mike to move on as well as the implication he only saw her as a replacement for Sara when El returned the bracelet. Dustin and Max mourned the senior drug dealer and racist step brother longer than they did El. Not even a single mention about her in his speech. This season/finale was full of plotholes, retcons and inconsistencies but the worst decision of the writers was betraying its theme. A show meant to celebrate outcasts had the biggest outcast kill herself. Anyways I’m glad this shitshow ended and would like to give props to whoever the ghostwriter was for the earlier seasons because there’s no way the people who wrote this mess are the same ones that wrote s1.

Enzo Reis

One of the things that was a shot in the creators’ own foot was the fact that they made the play. Instead of creating a totally parallel and random story for the play, they decided to retcon and make a story about Henry, based on the events of Season 4 and his backstory. I say it was a shot in their own foot because the play is basically the entire story, plot, and arc of Season 5, since it emphasizes that the Mind Flayer has been the main villain from the beginning and was questioning and leading Henry to the dark side. But instead of recording and releasing the play before the launch of Season 5 so that everyone could have access to it, or at least publishing a book with the script of the play, they didn’t do that. I didn’t see it myself, but I followed it, so I already had an idea of what happens and can understand the plot holes. However, people like you, for example, who didn’t see it, don’t have those answers. Another thing that hurt them was that they didn’t know how to introduce and develop the play the way they should have. It was necessary for us to have a good portion of the play’s events throughout the entire season through flashbacks, using Max as a conduit so we could access those memories, because again, a large part of the audience DID NOT SEE THE PLAY. But that’s something they didn’t do. My problem with this season is how they tried to put in too many things. Even though the concept of the Abyss and the Upside Down being a bridge is interesting, we didn’t need that. We won’t have time to explore it in all the necessary layers since it’s THE LAST SEASON. And honestly, at least as a fan, I never felt like we needed an explanation. And if we did, they could have gone with something simpler, like String Theory, and just said it was merely an overlapping parallel dimension/reality, period. I always thought it was a parallel reality we shouldn’t have access to, but we did because of El. Another thing: I understand the symbolism of twelve—twelve hours, twelve months, even the twelve apostles—a very symbolic number indeed. But as a creator, are you really going to introduce twelve children in the final season of the series? Because that takes screen time. Time that we need not only to conclude the characters’ arcs but also the entire arc of the villain and the series itself. I think they could have reduced it to three children: Holly, Derick, and Holly’s best friend. Eleven was very harmed by the writing in this series. It’s as if they tried to erase her as much as possible—and no! It’s the last season! We should have her as close to her friends as possible, especially if the focus was to kill her in the end. This season was harmed by the accumulation of excess in the script, lack of development and organization, and that excess could have been contained if the creators had revised the script. The script is the fundamental device in cinema (we learned that in class). You can save poor direction or poor production, especially in terms of budget if you didn’t have much investment, but you cannot save a bad script. Everyone will read the script, even the makeup artist, since makeup is important to emphasize the character’s subjectivity (emotions, intentions, arc, etc.). So everyone on set depends on the script, and I don’t think Millie (El's Actress) was able to deliver a phenomenal performance like in the other four seasons because, in the middle of filming, the creators (the Duffer Brothers) were writing or rewriting the script during the actual scene shooting, which is UNACCEPTABLE.

Enzo Reis

Let’s go: The scientist with the briefcase is nothing more than a fugitive scientist carrying a piece of dark matter from Dimension X, the Abyss in the series. This dark matter (stone) was obtained after an experiment conducted by Doctor Branner’s father. The experiment is basically a reinterpretation of the conspiracy theory surrounding the Philadelphia Experiment; the story only modifies a few details by making Doctor Branner’s father the one who led the experiment. Long story short, Doctor Branner’s father was the only survivor. He suffered consequences, since his temporary journey to Dimension X (the Abyss) altered his blood. Doctor Branner spent his entire life studying and trying to recreate his father’s experiment, mainly by conducting tests with this remnant of dark matter (the stone). Until the cave scientist steals it and escapes. Henry finds him; he is paranoid because he thinks he might be a Russian or Chinese spy, or whatever, pretending to have an interest in the stone. And well, you already know the result. Henry is marked by the Mind Flayer and gains his powers. This is what happens in the Stranger Things play, so it's not a theory, missunformation or spoiler, it's canon. And the Duff Brothers (the creators of the series) told that in many interviews.

Josh Z

Actually the Max thing is realistic, I looked up the recovery time for severe muscle atrophy after a long term coma and was shocked to see that as long as there is intense physical therapy 18 months is the minimum, As for her eyes Vecna didn't complete his ritual so the damage to her eyes would heal in the eighteen months she is in the hospital same with her bones I mean we don't see doctors doing anything but I highly doubt they just left her in the bed without providing regular care. I think she is initially blind because she temporarily returns to her damaged body but as I said her eyes are not beyond natural healing. I understand whv people dislike El's ending but I do not view it through the lens you mention here. I think it is quite powerful that she understands what she has enough to recognize that unless she goes away the people she loves will always be looking over their shoulder, their safety matters more than some idealistic happiness that would get shattered anyway . It’s made pretty clear from season four onwards that the military want to exploit or kill El and anyone who helps her inside the military ends up tortured or dead. I just don’t see her ending in the overly negative light some people do.

Enzo Reis

I don't think El is alive. I think Mike needs that theory to kind of accept what happened and move on. I don't see El leaving her friends behind, at least not without telling them that she's fine. Also, there's no way Kali could be alive and perform the illusion; her injuries were severe.

Elsa Millie

I love how they brought El's training into her last fight with Vecna. Her whole training was about being creative/agile and jumping and dodging stuff and being quick and they brought all of that into the fight. So badass! Also they don't really confirm it but I've felt like Will's connection to the Upside Down shifted once he found out about his powers. I think there's a psychological thing where he learned about his powers, honed those powers and then the side effects became manageable or negligible as a result. Some people felt like the fight scene was too short but I disagree for many reasons. For one, it wasn't too short when you consider that this very fight began at the beginning of this episode when El stopped him from combining the two universes. You could also make the argument that the fight began years and years prior when El and Henry were in the lab and they had that fight where El banished Vecna to the abyss in the first place. This is just one battle in a big fight and it was epic conclusion to that fight.

Shannon

I’ve heard all the arguments and gone back and forth on whether or not “I believed” and just couldn’t make up my mind so I decided weeks ago to let you make up my mind for me. Sophie says El lives; she lives. 🥹 Thank you for another great series! 🖤🖤

Randy Giles

I've gone back-and-forth on this, but am leaning more towards believing Mike's story for three reasons: 1. El already disappeared before in Season 2, so I see no reason why she wouldn't be able to do it again, especially being older and wiser now. 2. I looked up how long it would take to die from a gunshot wound to the abdomen. Google's AI says "victims pass away within 4–24 hours", which would be more than enough time for Kali to cast the illusion. 3. As Mike pointed out, how would El be able to use her powers when the military had those machines there blocking her from using them? The only way she'd be able to use her powers is if she had gotten away.

Randy Giles

I really liked this season and the finale. I know many were negative on it and my opinion isn't the most popular, but I understood the choices they made, even if wasn't the 'happily ever after' ending we wanted. I choose to believe Mike's version of the events. I don't know, maybe I just WANT to believe it, or maybe I'm an optimist.

Smooch

Absolutely nothing about a victim of grooming, abuse and exploitation committing suicide is powerful. It’s not only horrifying and cruel but bad writing from a storytelling perspective. “Life has been so unfair to you”. “Your childhood has been stolen from you”. “Fight for that day where you’ll have a daughter of your own”. The entire speech written as acknowledgment for her suffering and push her to find happiness. Her arc about finding her place in the world as a person, not a weapon. Making friends, forming bonds, finding love and most importantly a reason to live. Only to write an ending that exists to retcon her arc and dissolution of her character because she was “never capable of recovery in the first place” (anti recovery rhetoric and also a lie). They framed the conclusion as something that never could’ve been reached without El sacrificing her future with her loved ones because the happiness and peace these characters must reach should take absolute priority over El’s, ultimately dehumanizing her and returning her to this abstract construct instead of a real human being. The military failed to find El when she was hiding in the woods/cabin as a 12 year old child. The military failed to find her when she moved to California and attended a public school. The same military that also couldn’t tell the Soviets were building a military base underneath the local mall in Hawkins during the Cold War. The story has established the military are impressively incompetent and would not find El. And Henry did complete the ritual, Max was the fourth kill he needed to merge the four gates. Max canonically died and El restarted her heart. If you’re going to defend the Duffers’ horrid writing at least watch the show properly.

Josh Z

Do you have to be so rude? Like why. And I have watched the series more than most people ever will from start to finish so many times I lost count. So don’t tell me I am not watching the show properly. Many characters in hero stories deserve perfectly happy endings and don’t get exactly what they want. Besides if you believe that she is alive she can build a a new life. People acting like she is already elderly and can’t start over are forgetting that she is 17. Besides, her choice is because she believes that the military won’t leave her loved ones or the town alone if she stays in Hawkins. She is doing it for them. The military is incompetent but the bigger problem is that the government largely doesn’t care about anything other than their own selfish interests and this predates season 5 . Season 4 makes it very clear that multiple factions think El is a threat. Do you really think that the these factions would leave Hawkins alone, even if the upside down is gone and El didn’t stay behind. No they would not they would not. The first people whose lives they would disrupt are everyone in the party. El is the kind of person who puts everyone else’s happiness above hers. Even people inside the government that might help her are held captive and tortured. Sam Owens tried to reason with one of these people in S4 and he was still going to shoot her dead. Just for the record I don’t agree with everything that the duffers did, but I do agree with the point that El has to “go away” for peace to be possible for everyone including her. A lot of people seem to think that El’s only possible happiness is these people in Hawkins but I think that is unfairly cynical. There is no reason (assuming that she did in fact fake her death) why she can’t apply everything that she learned from her relationships in Hawkins to a new life. If you choose not to believe, that’s a personal decision. It doesn’t warrant you attacking my perspective just because it’s not cynical and bitter. As for Max he did complete the ritual but he did not finish destroying her body. she couldn’t see because she was still in a partial trance when she returned to her body. Her eyes were spared from permanent damage and healed over the 18 months of hospital care just like her bones.

Viyctoriya Reacts

Wow, thank you for taking the time to write all of this, it was actually very interesting for me as someone who was confused and didn't know what to think of this season because of the issues you mentionned!

Smooch

If you’ve watched the series countless times why were you convinced Henry didn’t complete the ritual on Max before I corrected you? This was a massive plot point, not some background detail. She didn’t simply broke an ankle or dislocated her knee. She got ALL of her limbs fully snapped in half like branches with guaranteed nerve damage that will make it difficult to ever fully recover, let alone in 18 months. Realistically Max would be blind and wheelchair bound for the rest of her life or walking around with a cane or a limp at best. But instead she managed to not only recover in the 80s without the slightest limp and continue skateboarding but also graduate with the rest of the kids, as if Henry crippling her and 2 years of coma never happened. Out of the entire cast El is the character who deserves to live the MOST after everything she’s been through and what her arc has been leading up to narratively. El committing suicide at 16 is not a choice, it’s eugenics, validated anti recovery rhetoric, bad writing and goes against the themes that the show represented. The Duffers’ post finale interviews made it extremely obvious they lost the plot seeing they failed to give answers about their own work, as if they aren’t the ones writing it. Their problem is that they think that saying things is enough for their own reasoning even when those things aren’t depicted on screen or contradict them. They emphasised the ending being ambiguous but ambiguous endings don’t contradict each other logistically to the point that one occurring is entirely impossible. It’s actually quite shocking how they’re incapable of even the most simple storytelling concepts. To agree with this ending in any capacity is to agree with El’s dehumanization and the complete disregard for coherent storytelling both in technical and thematic sense.

Josh Z

He completed the ritual because her heart gave out, but he did not actually succeed in terms of damaging her physical body beyond repair. At the end of season 4 she is in casts, but the doctors have clearly reset her limbs to a natural position. If doctors couldn’t do this in the 80s nobody with broken limbs would be able to use them again. I would agree with you on your point about Max if we didn’t explicitly see her in casts at the end 4x9. Did you forget that and are you really so cynical that you assume the hospital just sat on its butt for the 18 months between the end of S4 and the beginning of season 5. Your cynicism also shows in your opinion of El’s ending. You act like she doesn’t understand the choice she is making, you act like she WANTS to die but if you would stop thinking emotionally you would see that the choice she is making is a sign of her growth and maturity. The narrative has been clear that El’s powers are always going to attract people whose only goal is to put her back in a lab and use her for their own selfish purposes. That has been true since season 1 and it didn’t stop being true just because we watched her do normal things every so often. I agree that El DESERVED a happy ending but I also always knew in the back of my mind that the story was never going to ride her off into the sunset for lack of a better phrase. Yes she could theoretically hide for the rest of her life but come on the series sprinkles more than enough clues that power hungry people will always find her and the people she loves. A lot of people seem to just brush off the fact that unless EVERYONE believes that she is dead, actual lasting meaningful peace and happiness is impossible. It doesn’t actually matter whether she is dead or alive. The point is that nobody has to look over their shoulder anymore (including her if you believe that she is alive) the upside down is gone and everyone saw her vanish with it. The whole reason people kept coming after her is because they knew she was alive. I just wish people on the cynical side would understand that a happy ending for El was only possible if her powers could have been removed which the duffer brothers were clear was never on the table. People can disagree with them on this particular aspect of the character but at the end of the day it’s their story and it’s still fictional. They can do whatever they want. For me I didn’t need everything wrapped up in a perfect bow technically or emotionally. My imagination is vivid enough to fill in gaps on my own and be satisfied. I have been writing a Max recovery story for weeks now. It’s disappointing that more people would rather stew in cynical negativity than find a positive way to deal with the show being over wether they liked it or not.

Smooch

Of course you ignored Max graduating with the rest of the kids while skateboarding in less than 18 months. Even in a best case scenario she would have a limp. It’s clear that you lack media literacy and are too emotionally attached to this show to view it objectively. Retire this selective realism because all characters in this show have unrealistic endings from Will to Max to Hopper to Nancy. Not to mention the numerous plotholes. Suicide is not a choice. People don’t choose to kill themselves they are led to it by outside factors. Here El is driven to suicide because of her blood. Because she is a burden to her friends and loved ones. Because the writers decided a happy ending is only possible if the abused child and biggest misfit of the show was to disappear. Because her arc about finding her place in the world was ultimately pointless. Because she was in fact reduced to a weapon in the end, proving her tormentors and abusers right. The Duffers confirmed in their post finale interviews they don’t even view as El as a human being but as a metaphor for “the magic of childhood” and compared her to ET. So when Linnea aka Kali’s actress mentioned in an interview how she studied the testimonies of holocaust survivors that were experimented on by Nazis to understand the dehumanization aspect of Kali and El, this language becomes even more revolting. This also validates my entire point about agreeing with El’s ending in any capacity means to agree with her dehumanization as solution. Abuse victim blaming + accidental eugenicist rhetoric (accidental because it’s obvious they legitimately did not think about their own writing beyond surface level “E.T. spielberg 80s” bullshit but the allegories are there, intentional or not). You can sugarcoat this as much as you want but the framing of an abused child’s suicide as heroic in a coming-of-age story was certainly a choice. Anti healing and anti survival rhetoric aside it is bad writing and you can tell this is just something they decided on last minute because it shares no cohesion with her overarching storyline whatsoever. Everything contradicts itself. Aside from El and just the story itself, this doesn't work with Mike’s arc either because his conceptualization of vulnerability and love has essentially been demolished. The monologue is important for both of them and now it's been rendered essentially meaningless. El was the burden he carried and her leaving is ultimately for his benefit, the love he felt for her, the way he learned to love himself through her and they both became better for it is essentially null and void. Any growth he developed as an individual is irrelevant. This essentially contradicts everything within the montage and their tenure together as a relationship. What is the purpose of honoring and reflecting upon their relationship if you believe in disregarding everything about it as El is the personification of their suffering. If El is the burden that Mike must get over to become better and truly heal, if she is the personification of their trauma and suffering, then we shouldn't honor their love either. Also Hopper’s speech, another plot point rendered meaningless and disconnected from the ending. It’s almost as if this season was written in fragments with no real cohesion. It wasn’t nessecary for you to reveal how you don’t care for the thematical payoff and storytelling I can already tell by your opinion on this show but thanks for confirming I guess. Anyway I sleep well knowing the only things ST will be remembered for is the laughingstock of a finale and Purple Rain.