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In our second Site Wrestle from the Producers' perspective, we introduce a brand new site contender...

Again, on paper it looks great – an ancient village with references in both the Domesday Book and the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, linked to a famous historic king, possibly home to Anglo-Saxon church remains, and with ties to the early European colonists of North America.

What's more, there's a thriving village community today who care deeply about uncovering its past. There's an opportunity to drawn upon the experiences of Time Team's Dig Village project in Dunster. Surely, it's the ideal contender! But how practical would it be for Time Team to take on in reality?

Tim and Jim share revealing insights into the merits of Time Team's traditional 'three day' format that we're so often asked about. Far from simply a 'restriction', it created a clear structure to build the narrative upon, helped maintain focus, and crucially set the scope to manage the logistics and budget for each episode.

But what do you think about this site? As always, please let us know in the comments below.

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Lyn Howe

It sounds very interesting with a great deal of history during several centuries.

Sarah Holloway

I like the sound of this very much and it is great when the village community gets involved .

Susie Stockton-Link

How fascinating. I wonder... could the US connection HELP to finance a Time Team Live? It'll illuminate their own history,; extend their 'past'. I do think that would be wonderful.

Mark Cooke

I think they said it all. Lots of interest no real focus so not easy to fit in as a tt but ticks all the box for a live show

Bob Pockney

Yes, lacking focus, and the church could be a non-starter. Excellent for live dig though especially if there's US involvement.

William F. Campbell

Great conversation! I am now beginning to understand the professional staff work necessary to put Time Team together. Tim is right on target with the interest this should generate, including the possible tie to early colonists in the US. Jim is right on target with the amount of work. However, no one has yet discussed budgets and this project is too "fuzzy" to attempt a detailed budget. In British language, it is "early days" and deserves to be thought through to a detailed plan with at least a budget estimate. Very interesting from my stand point.

Carol Overrill

Well Jim might not like the work to produce this episode, but I would certainly like to watch it. The more challenging it is for you guys, the better entertainment it is. 🙂

Irene Daly

There seems to be so much history in the village, the team are almost certain to find interesting items, and programmes involving the villagers must surely be of vital importance in bringing archaeology to the minds of Joe Puiblic. . .

Carole Cox

Interesting exchange. I feel like there is a lot riding on the re-birth of TT. Potential? Maybe. A lot riding on what may only be the remains of a few portholes. On the other hand...

Emma R

I love this one! As you say, stick a go pro on each location, and you could even live stream from each go pro, then edit it into an episode afterwards!

John Matthew IV

This sounds like an amazing site but way too much for a three-day dig. Especially for the first one by the New Time Team. Let's keep it in mind though for the future.

SEAN STANLEY

His comments are accurate. Although not impossible. A larger dig or a combined dig maybe possible on this one.

Gary Mortimer

I'm with Jim, focus! Well done that community

Dave Decker

My initial thoughts are that this is unfocused IF you are attempting to use "traditional" TT approaches to tasks needed to answer specific questions. It has slightly bothered me that the intent of bringing back TT is to bring it back exactly as it was, with its methodology essentially unchanged. it's now almost ten years after the program left the air. Maybe some new approaches can be considered? A major component of the return of TT is the crowdsourcing underway, which to a large degree is limited to only funding the venture. Why not bring the crowdsourcing to the project itself? I see this village project - with its many moving parts like a possible church, the street frontages, the tie to the location in the US, and the thriving and important local historical group - as a real way to let the "crowd" do some of the work, whether that's in preproduction or during the actual 3 day on site component. For example: remote cameras are mentioned. Well, just like you have the general population digging test pits, why not have the general public with their modern smartphones be the remote cameras? In pre-production, have the residents or local historians take short, well made videos or photos of the interesting bits of their homes or properties or frontages and send them in to the production team - who then analyze this footage and target specific places to highlight in the program. I recall a program where Paul Blinkhorn sat at a table and had local residents bring their finds to him for a quick look. That could be useful as well. You could also use these approaches as a sort of cameo or sidebar, running concurrently with answering a specific set of questions - i.e. is the center of the village still where it was in A/S days? Is there any truth to the rumor that... etc. etc. I realize my comment is just as unfocused as this site seems to be at the moment, and thank you for listening to my Ted talk :)

Doug Mackey

In a way, we are. I’m in the US and a TT Patreon subscriber! 😉

Doug Mackey

Interesting, certainly, but I’m a bit keener on more focused pre-historical sites.

Anne

Another very interesting conversation between Tim & Jim. I agree with Jim that there is too much going on to make it a 3 day Time Team. I think a Time Team Live would be a better way of investigating this site. I would certainly enjoy watching it whatever the format.

Amy Fisher

I agree with Jim on the focus but having a village in your pocket is a huge advantage as is Karenza's interest in it. Perhaps it's a site you revisit? I think viewers would enjoy watching a site explored over time. I always loved the sites you got back to. So each year for several years you go back and address another aspect. Or, as Mr.Becker points out several comments above, you might tap your subscribers.

TimeTeamOfficial

Hi Dave. Thanks for this, some great thoughts there! Just to note – the intention is not to bring it back exactly as it was. We hope to honour the spirit of the original shows while embracing the tech, tools, approaches and platforms available to us today. Patreon is key to that, and hopefully you'll see the team considering and debating the merits of a range of different approaches. As part of that conversation, it helps to look at how Time Team has traditionally functioned in the past to see what worked, what's still appropriate today, and what tech enables us to do differently now. Keep a look out for upcoming videos in which we continue to explore these themes among the team. Just as important is the feedback of all our Patrons, which we're taking on board, and we have more updates on the way... Best wishes

Joanne Carrubba

This sounds like a great site, and I love the US tie in. The idea of this is a TT Live sounds wonderful, and I wonder if it would be possible to do a coordination with a US documentary team for a companion episode.

Robert Boudreau

In many ways I agree with Jim, it's a lot... if you try to go at it all at once. I see potential if the TT dig was focused on one aspect. The core interest seems to be the A-S church and history. If that was made the focus of the dig, the other aspects could be mentioned to build more interest, to show the site has had a much broader impact on later history, but not actively explored. If enough interest is generated, it could be like Turkdean, having a follow up episode. This one reminds me of Bitterley, where the whole village got involved. While that might be a bit too much for a first new dig, actually doing the church dig and keeping all the people wrangled, I think the appeal value would be there. A way of showing Time Team is back, and anyone can be part of it. That could potentially attract more support.

Robert Baker

Time Team Live sounds like a good idea, I agree with previous comments that TT needs to evolve and that the way forward are projects involving local communities. Certain sites appear to be long term community projects which sounds like a great way to build on the TT brand. I'm still curious is the aim for classic TT format (ie 3 days) to return to TV in some way?

Jon Colcord

I have to say, the episodes which involved entire villages, people’s homes and gardens, and their involvement were always my favorites. Who’s afraid of a little work? The story for these is always the towns and the residents. As a viewer, please make as many of these as possible! Certainly beats sites where all that is found are the differing colors of soil!

Martha Berryman

The suggestion of a "Sister City" in the Colonies of 1600s America is a highly charged topic, especially with an almost unbroken primary archival descriptions--wow, the material & archeo-culture plus the "play-scripts"!!! Also,this multi-dimensional site holds a uniquely relevant insight to current 2020s revelations of America's Invented Mythologies, eg. the Manifest Destiny of "colonists and pioneers escaping Brit rule"--the often twisted and inverted narrative "histories" of what were in reality invasions of already occupied Native Tribal Nations. What were the Brit villager's motives to launch out to the Colonies? What about those villagers who went to Colonies and then returned; what did they bring back? What DNA connections could be found. Perhaps a less contentious pursuit with the US could be finding the cultural history of some of those 1600s emigrants who left the Brit township to establish themselves in the or Colonies. Overall, the sheer magnitude of this projet!! A TREASURE just have any site with a continual history of a few thousand years plus its outgrowth with migration, WITH Historical narrative, already translated!!! Oh, what a profound prize! But Jim speaks truth, the site is so layered, too complicated, and too important for a 3-day TT. Perhaps Tim and Jim might consider a multi-part series, Live or Trad TT, that could honor local village interest, the US connections, and most profoundly, to explore meaningful connections that kept a settlement site active and adapting its on-going life and cultures through centuries? WOW!

Don Cook

No hint on the name? Going crazy in California....

Carl Johnson

This is fascinating hearing the discussion on which sites should Time Team dig. I knew a lot of thought and planning when into every site, but I didn't realize the level of detail. I do love the episodes that have members of the community digging test pits in their gardens...

DAS Bookbinding learning centre

I love it! It's an origin story with an offspring going off to the Americas. Fund the community to do the dendro of the houses before TT arrives and focus on the pits. Yeh, I guess it would be good if they had something in them. But in a village as active as this ones sounds like there'll be lots of services to find and how fun are they! Since this rebirth of TT is so community focused it would be great to have a project with lots of community involvement. DAS

Jane Anders

It sounds like this site is perfect for a Live, so much already known, so many things that coudl be found out.

David Boon

It sounds like a fascinating site, but one that could go pear-shaped. I like those episodes that involve the community and wonder if there could be consideration of more than one question for more than one episode. While one episode over three days has limits, could two episodes over 6 days be a possibility? Is there room for Time Team to consider new formats and approaches? Having said that, I still rate it below the Cornish site as the one I would want to see.

Sarah Jane

Absolutely love the idea of this, in fact it's one of those time teams the fans would love, why? Purely I think it's a community get your hands on, viewers would see it it as well I could do this in my back garden, but I have to admit as much as I love this I would agree with Jim it's a live progressional program with follow ups for it, perhaps for each era researched.

Carlos Rendon

Uncovering medieval history for me is very interesting because I like to see how the natural progression of history from earlier english civilization shows up in later stages. I am all thumbs up for the dig.

Steven Meeks

This one sounds like you should give it more than the normal three days.

Eggs Ackley

Just a likely guess, Taunton.

Rick Ansell

Maybe take advantage of Patreon engagement and/or villagers themselves to handle some of the complexity? e.g. Run up some training videos ahead of time and have (suitable) Patreons manning Go-Pros and Radios and acting as 'spotters' and gatherers of B-Roll footage for the Production Team, probably each having responsibility for a group of Test Pits that they check on a regular schedule. Alternatively, or supplementaly, bring in selected experienced YouTubers. They will have the 'to camera' skills, understanding of at least part of the production environment and come with their own cameras and other kit. By allowing them to do their own videos of the shoot (after release of the TT content) the word would be spread wider. They don't have to normally cover Archaeology or History, just have the right skills and enough focus and interest.

Maria

This sounds like it would be absolutly wonderful for a live, and there's possibly some anglo saxon too. Fabulous!

Amy Krause

Three thoughts. First, I think the question we may need to ask at these site wrestles is not whether the site is worth investigating but whether the site is worth researching further to develop a set of questions that the dig would be responsible for answering. Then phase two of the site wrestle would examine the research questions and either decide to not to proceed, or decide which question to pursue. This gives more structure to production and community engagement. Second, I’d like to hear from producers, “Yes, we can do that, if the following conditions are met.” I like this approach because it helps us understand why we are saying yes or no to something and provokes conversation about how to creatively approach sites in ways that may not have been tried before. Third, a LOT has changed in terms of video production and I’d like to see Time Team try making use of GoPro footage and mobile video like FaceTime. I fully understand that making the most of these requires people who think in terms of the production and not just in terms of their immediate scientific role and this is a big ask but... look at the original Time Team. They may have been the dream team but part of why they were so great is that they were scientists first but all passionate and skilled communicators.

Ray Roberts

I think the "three days" has passed it's time. If you want to limit digging to 3 days then bring in the geophys a day or two prior. People standing around waiting on the geophys has lost its charm. Many time this resulted in a complete change of focus on Day 3 that left the site with promising information that TT couldn't resolve. The 3 day contrivance should be buried.

Wendy Harper

How about making it a two part program.

Andy H

The 3 days wasn't really a contrivance though was it? There were reasons

Matthew Hauck

This type of episode is always the most popular

heith Doty

Well . For me this site could put a nother branch on my family tree 🌳 of my hairatig . I'm the last in my line of 13 generations that came over on the mayflower as servants to a family from what I can find out and later given land from a king . We even have are own book of all the names . I'd really like help finding out more about my my great great ------ grandfather named Edward . I say do this site plzzzzzz. Iv watched so many of the old shows just to see or hear about one of my relatives over seas

Ray Roberts

Funding, shoot schedule, etc... still a contrivance as it wasn't driven by the science or the archaeology (and with the new TT not being driven by networks, those types of influence are removed)

Lisa Hicks

This one sounds like a documentary which charts the village from it's start to present day rather than a 3 day Time Team.

A Bleese

As a resident of Suffolk, I am giving this site a 10.

Lee Costello

I agree this would make a brilliant live episode or maybe a 2 or 3 part episode to cover all the questions of the village's different phases

Keith Jackson

I can see Jim's point about focus. This proposal is *too* good. I think it would be very difficult to do such a place justice without a longer-lasting format that would fundamentally change TT. I could see it done better in something more like the York programmes where TT snapshotted a dig done over months.

Elizabeth Gildersleeve

This one captures me for primarily selfish reasons. The first of my direct paternal line is said to have come from Suffolk, and while they eventually end up on Long Island, their first recorded home in America was in Watertown, Massachusetts. Learning the story of two twinned towns from Suffolk and Massachusetts may illuminate some of my ancestors experience. But I would agree, reluctantly, that there are many layers that might not be suited to the standard TT format. I do hope that the names of the twinned towns will be shared at some point.

Mr David J Cable

Amen to that. Tom Scott, for example, would be great.

Mr David J Cable

Agreed, I'm loving the insight these discussions bring.

Zoe Propper

Maybe we should save this one for next year and do a Live!

Ellen Holt

Now you are making it hard. I like this one also

Larissa Spiker

So much work and so many decisions that go into a location!

Seven

Totally understand where he's coming from, but it's also the kind of scenario where you could really get creative in how to manage filming so many areas on a short time frame. Yes it would be difficult, but the bigger question I would like to hear his perspective on: is the potential worth the unusual difficulty, and if it's something everybody else wants to try apart from the filming crew, how can Time Team improve on or evolve from the format that people are used to while still feeling like a Time Team episode? It may be that it's not feasible, but I would love to hear how he would address those questions.